Comments on: Ellen Johnson on Politics and Religion

By: AD

AD — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 23:58:52 +0000

Dear Ellen, You certainly have the right to choose your own beliefs. I watched you on t.v. for the first time and I saw that without the Spirit of the Lord, you are dead inside. Everything that you spoke about was dead.
Who cares what the Pope says, most Catholics do not under salvation either.
When you are on your death bed, who will you want there? Right now, you are truly an abomination to your Creator. Even science itself has disproved every false religion and points to the truth that life could not have been formed except by life, by the One who is Life Himself, Jesus. I am not condemning you, those that deny the Lord are already condemned. I want you to know true joy in the Lord, and I am putting you and your whole organization on my prayer list. I used to think the way you did, and yet in my own spirit which the Lord has given to every person, I knew I was missing out on something so huge and so wonderful. You have a willingness to read a book on evil, I shall pray for you to see a vision of hell. Even those in hell know Jesus is the Lord, but it is too late for them. You said there was nothing in the Bible that made sense to you. The Bible says that you are a fool, even though you do not have the Holy Spirit to understand the Bible, it is all truth. The Bible also says that people choose to be deceived, you are one of the most blatant examples of someone that has chosen to deceive themselves. I pray you lose all influence and power over anyone that would listen to your foolishness. I pray you will never want to lead someone into
eternal damnation because of your lack of wisdom and discernment of anything spiritual for you will have a far worse place in hell.

By: Friendly Atheist » Should Atheists Vote in the Upcoming Election?

Friendly Atheist » Should Atheists Vote in the Upcoming Election? — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 05:14:53 +0000

[...] is the same person who urged us to “vote our atheism” only a month ago (she acknowledges this), but “there aren’t any candidates for [...]

By: Karen

Karen — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:35:46 +0000

Which one is the UFO candidate?

Kucinich

By: Bad

Bad — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:15:53 +0000

Which one is the UFO candidate?

Johnson doesn’t understand what an atheist is if she thinks we can “vote atheism.” There aren’t any purely “atheist” political positions that only atheists can care about (SOCAS isn’t only an atheist concern), and atheists almost by nature have no particular reason to agree on anything.

By: Ben

Ben — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:52:45 +0000

And as it happens, the candidate who believes in UFO’s actually does have some of the best positions out there IMHO.

Seconded. I haven’t decided whether I’ll hold my nose and vote for Obama or happily vote for Kucinich or Gravel in the February 5 primary.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/usprimaries2008 shows how bad the choices really are.

By: MikeClawson

MikeClawson — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:17:56 +0000

Heck, I’ll even consider voting for someone who believes in UFOs if their positions on actual policy were good.

And as it happens, the candidate who believes in UFO’s actually does have some of the best positions out there IMHO.

By: Ben

Ben — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:36:18 +0000

Hemant said:

There are no atheist candidates (even if there were, that shouldn’t be the only reason to vote for them).

Mike Gravel lists ‘Unitarian’ for his religion. Close enough?

Mike Clawson said:

And if you are an atheist, I would hope that the same (in reverse) would be true of you too.

Yup. Heck, I’ll even consider voting for someone who believes in UFOs if their positions on actual policy were good.

By: Jeff

Jeff — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:20:15 +0000

Siamang posted:
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Huckabee_Amend_Constitution_to_meet_Gods_0115.html

I’m afraid that Huckabee’s comments in that video are not worthy of my vote. For now I’m backing Obama…

By: xarexerax

xarexerax — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:46:05 +0000

“Vote your atheism first” vs. “Is that what’s most important?”

Who said it has to be the most important issue? It’s my belief that you shouldn’t vote for a candidate you don’t believe in. If they must be an atheist for you to agree with them, then simply don’t vote for a candidate that’s not, even if that means not voting.

Oops, now I’m unpatriotic. How’d that happen? In any event, I’d say that if you’re a “devout atheist” (is that a contradiction?), then it’s simply one of the matters that should factor in when you’re looking at candidates, and thinking about whom you’d vote for. Obviously, you’re going to take issue with the religious fundamentalists, but their faith isn’t a reason to discount them entirely – it’s what they do with their faith, and what they allow it to affect.

Ideally, religion and politics would be separate from one another, however, insofar as politics is full of people, and people bring their own views to everything that they do, that’s simply a pipe dream. Even an “atheist government” which made moves to separate the church from the state, to remove religion from schools, political debates, and everything else to do with the arena is pushing a platform based on their faith, which is going to run afoul of any of a number of groups.

Selecting a candidate simply because they’re an atheist is similar to the ideas that “all African-Americans must vote for Obama” or “all women must vote for Hilary”. It’s ludicrous. Look at the issues, ask yourself if you’re willing to give on certain things, and vote with your *heart* first.

By: Nick

Nick — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:00:40 +0000

I think you guys are taking it too literal. I figured she just meant just what Hemant described.