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	<title>Comments on: Ted Haggard Leaves De-Gayification Program</title>
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	<description>by Hemant Mehta</description>
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		<title>By: MadMax</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/02/06/ted-haggard-leaves-de-gayification-program/#comment-126206</link>
		<dc:creator>MadMax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; anne jackson said:  i broke off ties with my therapist in dallas &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Umm,  maybe that should be a signal, you are a serious &quot;God-Chick&quot;  (and rather hot too btw) and need the help of a Therapist, 

I think there may be a hint in all of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> anne jackson said:  i broke off ties with my therapist in dallas </p></blockquote>
<p>Umm,  maybe that should be a signal, you are a serious &#8220;God-Chick&#8221;  (and rather hot too btw) and need the help of a Therapist, </p>
<p>I think there may be a hint in all of that.</p>
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		<title>By: grazatt</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/02/06/ted-haggard-leaves-de-gayification-program/#comment-125694</link>
		<dc:creator>grazatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 05:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is pretty funny!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is pretty funny!</p>
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		<title>By: writerdd</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/02/06/ted-haggard-leaves-de-gayification-program/#comment-125161</link>
		<dc:creator>writerdd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew a guy named Mike Williams who was, I think, the very first &quot;de-gayed&quot; Christian. He used to have his story on his website but took it down, but someone else has it here:

http://www.christiankeys.ca/BeliefNotes8.html

Mike is still a Christian but not still &quot;straight.&quot; His website is here:

http://www.gospelrevolution.com/

I find Haggard&#039;s story to be quite sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew a guy named Mike Williams who was, I think, the very first &#8220;de-gayed&#8221; Christian. He used to have his story on his website but took it down, but someone else has it here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.christiankeys.ca/BeliefNotes8.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.christiankeys.ca/BeliefNotes8.html</a></p>
<p>Mike is still a Christian but not still &#8220;straight.&#8221; His website is here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gospelrevolution.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.gospelrevolution.com/</a></p>
<p>I find Haggard&#8217;s story to be quite sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Caldwell</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/02/06/ted-haggard-leaves-de-gayification-program/#comment-125052</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Caldwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susie Bright (author who writes about sexuality) had a betting pool for when Ted Haggard would &quot;de-convert&quot; from heterosexuality:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://susiebright.blogs.com/susie_brights_journal_/2007/02/ted_haggard_bet.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ted Haggard Betting Pool&lt;/a&gt;

The period for the betting pool was from 6 February 2007 to 6 February 2008 (the one year anniversary of his announced his &quot;cure&quot;).  The betting pool was a fundraiser for a bi, gay, lesbian, and transgender youth called LYRIC (the &quot;young, loud, and proud&quot; San Francisco youth group dedicated building LGBTQQ community and inspiring social change).

I don&#039;t know if anyone won the pool or if the entire pot of money went to LYRIC (which would also be a good outcome for this story).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susie Bright (author who writes about sexuality) had a betting pool for when Ted Haggard would &#8220;de-convert&#8221; from heterosexuality:</p>
<p><a href="http://susiebright.blogs.com/susie_brights_journal_/2007/02/ted_haggard_bet.html" rel="nofollow">Ted Haggard Betting Pool</a></p>
<p>The period for the betting pool was from 6 February 2007 to 6 February 2008 (the one year anniversary of his announced his &#8220;cure&#8221;).  The betting pool was a fundraiser for a bi, gay, lesbian, and transgender youth called LYRIC (the &#8220;young, loud, and proud&#8221; San Francisco youth group dedicated building LGBTQQ community and inspiring social change).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if anyone won the pool or if the entire pot of money went to LYRIC (which would also be a good outcome for this story).</p>
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		<title>By: Siamang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Siamang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know the old saying &quot;which head is this guy thinking with, his big head or his little head?&quot;

Ted Haggard is one dude who&#039;s little head knows who he is, and his big head is absolutely clueless.  Can anything other than fundamentalism or drugs make you that dumb?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know the old saying &#8220;which head is this guy thinking with, his big head or his little head?&#8221;</p>
<p>Ted Haggard is one dude who&#8217;s little head knows who he is, and his big head is absolutely clueless.  Can anything other than fundamentalism or drugs make you that dumb?</p>
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		<title>By: grazatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>grazatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 19:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The majority of Christians like to wail and gnash their teeth about homosexuality. Even when they claim they don&#039;t, and say they have no problems with gay people. If you scratch the surface you will usually get a response like Hemant&#039;s friend Jared Lee gave in his blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The majority of Christians like to wail and gnash their teeth about homosexuality. Even when they claim they don&#8217;t, and say they have no problems with gay people. If you scratch the surface you will usually get a response like Hemant&#8217;s friend Jared Lee gave in his blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve known a few ex-ex-gays, and they all told me pretty much the same thing: it&#039;s fine to be an ex-gay in the fundamentalist community and all, but when one starts getting too close to a member of the opposite sex, they slam the door in his (or her) face, because they fear backsliding into the gay lifestyle.  

So, ultimately, this whole &quot;de-gayifying&quot; this is so full of bullshit, &lt;strong&gt;even fundamentalists don&#039;t buy it&lt;/strong&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve known a few ex-ex-gays, and they all told me pretty much the same thing: it&#8217;s fine to be an ex-gay in the fundamentalist community and all, but when one starts getting too close to a member of the opposite sex, they slam the door in his (or her) face, because they fear backsliding into the gay lifestyle.  </p>
<p>So, ultimately, this whole &#8220;de-gayifying&#8221; this is so full of bullshit, <strong>even fundamentalists don&#8217;t buy it</strong>.</p>
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		<title>By: Mriana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mriana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Jen said,

February 7, 2008 at 7:59 am 

Yes, Mriana, the quote was not about sexuality per se, and it was from the second century, but Erhman was explaining why that quote made sense in context, and part of that context is believing that two fully-grown men having sex inverts the natural order of things. Basically, women were looked down on for being less than men, and as a side note, men who acted the part of women in bed were also looked down on.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh ok.  I get it now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Jen said,</p>
<p>February 7, 2008 at 7:59 am </p>
<p>Yes, Mriana, the quote was not about sexuality per se, and it was from the second century, but Erhman was explaining why that quote made sense in context, and part of that context is believing that two fully-grown men having sex inverts the natural order of things. Basically, women were looked down on for being less than men, and as a side note, men who acted the part of women in bed were also looked down on.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh ok.  I get it now.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What does “depth of spiritual maturity” mean?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ummm ... that&#039;s one of those Christian catchphrases whose meaning is rather hard to pin down. I would imagine that he&#039;s touting the stability of the religious commitment of the majority of the congregation, and would probably point to how most/many people stayed with the church through their recent troubles (weren&#039;t they recently the target of a gunman?) rather than leaving to go elsewhere or renouncing Christianity entirely. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;What is an “accountability relationship?”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is a relationship where you are supposed to be completely honest with the other person and give them the right to &quot;hold you accountable&quot; if you backslide on your issues - whether it&#039;s not praying enough, drinking too much, or whatever. The person who has accountability over you can ask you how you&#039;re doing and you&#039;re supposed to tell them if you fall short and listen to their counsel about how you can improve. Many times, small groups of Christians give each other mutual accountability over their lives.

I actually agree with Andrew Sullivan on this one; minus the &quot;god works in mysterious ways&quot; part, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What does “depth of spiritual maturity” mean?</p></blockquote>
<p>Ummm &#8230; that&#8217;s one of those Christian catchphrases whose meaning is rather hard to pin down. I would imagine that he&#8217;s touting the stability of the religious commitment of the majority of the congregation, and would probably point to how most/many people stayed with the church through their recent troubles (weren&#8217;t they recently the target of a gunman?) rather than leaving to go elsewhere or renouncing Christianity entirely. </p>
<blockquote><p>What is an “accountability relationship?”</p></blockquote>
<p>This is a relationship where you are supposed to be completely honest with the other person and give them the right to &#8220;hold you accountable&#8221; if you backslide on your issues &#8211; whether it&#8217;s not praying enough, drinking too much, or whatever. The person who has accountability over you can ask you how you&#8217;re doing and you&#8217;re supposed to tell them if you fall short and listen to their counsel about how you can improve. Many times, small groups of Christians give each other mutual accountability over their lives.</p>
<p>I actually agree with Andrew Sullivan on this one; minus the &#8220;god works in mysterious ways&#8221; part, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 13:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Mriana, the quote was not about sexuality per se, and it was from the second century, but Erhman was explaining why that quote made sense in context, and part of that context is believing that two fully-grown men having sex inverts the natural order of things.  Basically, women were looked down on for being less than men, and as a side note, men who acted the part of women in bed were also looked down on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Mriana, the quote was not about sexuality per se, and it was from the second century, but Erhman was explaining why that quote made sense in context, and part of that context is believing that two fully-grown men having sex inverts the natural order of things.  Basically, women were looked down on for being less than men, and as a side note, men who acted the part of women in bed were also looked down on.</p>
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