This Will Go Over Well, I’m Sure

MuhammadTube.

Created by Fundamentalist Christians.

MuhammadTube.com/.org/.net, is a video-driven social network that enables people to connect and share with friends, family, co-workers and ministries in an unfiltered medium where it concerns the wickedness and filth that is Islam.

Our endeavor is to show a Christ-like love to all men, and we feel it should be exhibited in our lives by our words as well as our actions.

As one of the Atheist Media Blog‘s commenters points out:

“Our endeavor is to show a Christ-like love to all men”

…except Muslims…

That’s Priceless.

Any bets as to how long this will be around?


[tags]atheist, atheism[/tags]

  • The Unbrainwashed

    Yea because Islam is such a force for good in this world.

  • Siamang

    Well, to tell the truth I don’t see what the difference is between that and something like an atheist group that has a website that points out the problems with Christian belief.

  • http://blog.lib.umn.edu/fole0091/epistaxis/ Epistaxis

    Well, to tell the truth I don’t see what the difference is between that and something like an atheist group that has a website that points out the problems with Christian belief.

    Well, it has videos and a social network. Maybe you could compare it with the Rational Response Squad, except they put out their message in the public forum of YouTube instead of creating their own little arena for some reason.

  • J Myers

    Any bets as to how long this will be around?

    Millennia.

  • http://del.icio.us/jcchurch James

    Any bets as to how long this will be around?

    You mean… How long before it will take these people to realize what they are doing is hollow and wrong?

    If “religion” itself is any indicator, I’m guessing it’s going to be a big hit and we’re going to see more of these.

  • The Unbrainwashed

    James said:

    How long before it will take these people to realize what they are doing is hollow and wrong?

    You think Islam is a good thing? Are you seriously defending Islam as a force for good rather than the destructive institution it is? I’m sorry but I must agree with the Fundamentalist Christians in this instance (probably the only instance). Islam is complete “wickedness and filth”.

    It seems that a lot of people will automatically disagree with christian fundies just because they’re christian fundies.

  • Renacier

    Okay, The Unbrainwashed. James never said he thought Islam was full of bunnies and flowers. His point, And I agree, is “hypocrisy is bad”.
    Surely that’s something we can all agree on.

  • Tim Van Haitsma

    Trying to concince them to change from one flavor of stupid to another?

  • http://merkdorp.blogspot.com J. J. Ramsey

    Siamang:

    Well, to tell the truth I don’t see what the difference is between that and something like an atheist group that has a website that points out the problems with Christian belief.

    I don’t even see it as much different from an atheist group that has a website that points out the problems with Muslim belief. Heck, even Taner Edis noted, “Indeed, some popular secular literature opposing Islam is hardly distinguishable from Christian and neoconservative polemics.”

  • Lainey

    There are so many things wrong with that site that I just don’t know where to start. Although it does make me want to point out the atrocities committed against each other in the serb and croatian clashes. It’s obvious that we can show the ugly side of any religion and their conflicting sects. I don’t understand how fostering hate can be seen as positive or productive or how someone can consider that sharing/spreading god’s love. It’s all rather disheartening…

  • Mriana

    I was watching “Does Islam mean peace?#2″ and the guy who sounds like he is from the Middle East, is right. It does mean “submit”. It doesn’t mean peace. He seems to be being honest about it and he maybe an apostate. It doesn’t seem pro-Islam (at least not by that vid.) and from a Christian video, I’m not sure if it’s pro-Xian. I don’t have time to look the whole site over this morning.

    I don’t know, it could be around for a while- but how long a while is, I don’t know.

  • I like tea

    “Indeed, some popular secular literature opposing Islam is hardly distinguishable from Christian and neoconservative polemics.”

    And I don’t engage in or condone a lot of the secular talk going on about Islam. Even so, it’s funnier when Christians do it, because they honestly don’t realize that their religion is just as ridiculous, and that in differing social and economic circumstances, Christianity could provide exactly as many reasons to kill and blow up buildings as Islam does.

    You think Islam is a good thing? Are you seriously defending Islam as a force for good rather than the destructive institution it is? I’m sorry but I must agree with the Fundamentalist Christians in this instance (probably the only instance). Islam is complete “wickedness and filth”.

    You have a very black-and-white mind. He wasn’t defending Islam, he was deriding MuhammedTube. Further, Christianity is just as abhorrent as Islam, and as I said above, has just as much potential to be a force for destruction. The fact that most Muslims are not “wicked,” “filthy,” or “destructive” appears to escape you. Relatively rational religious people tend not to interpret their religion in violent ways. Less educated populations are going to have more irrational people. One need only look at America’s history to see that: for mainly logistical reasons, people on the American frontier weren’t terribly educated, and hatred against blacks and Indians, often with a religious excuse behind it, was very widespread, and we committed atrocities against both groups. We even had the gall to use Christianity to justify enslaving Africans. That’s “wickedness and filth” if I ever saw it. But notice how England abolished slavery long before America did? At the time, their population was more educated, especially as compared to Southern plantation owners.

    Anyway, similar circumstances in the Middle East. Not enough education, and poverty doesn’t help matters, either.

  • Mriana

    Religion, in general, has a very violent history. I have yet to read or hear about a non-theist war. Not saying it can’t happen, it could, we’re all human, but I have yet to know about it. Thing is, many non-theists have an anti-violence, anti-war stance.

    However, that said, I think Islam is far worse in the violence dept than Christians are. I’ve read the Quran and did not see anything favourable to women nor did I see anything favourable to “losers”, which includes Christians and Jews. Who are losers? Those who don’t believe in Allah and I can’t imagine a Christian or Jew converting without realizing that Allah is NOT the same god. It is a totally different deity and they would be ignorant to think otherwise. And don’t tell me I don’t understand the Quran and need some crazed fascist Muslim to explain it to me. I CAN read.

    Islam means submit. The thing is, one submits to a form of slavery. It is very oppressive in my opinion. More so than Christianity. Again, that is just my opinion and not even a prof or two profs can change my mind about that.

    OK that’s my own diatribe on the subject.

  • Arlen

    This is so not helpful…

    I sincerely hope that this site is a hoax or parody, but I’m at work and can’t pull it up.

  • Arlen

    Mriana:

    Religion, in general, has a very violent history. I have yet to read or hear about a non-theist war.

    Humanity, in general, has a very violent history. I suspect that you haven’t heard of any war between atheists because there simply haven’t historically been many (if any) atheist nations or ethnic groups. When leaders want to go to war, it becomes necessary for them to give the people a reason to fight; often religion is a good motivating factor, but it’s certainly not the only one.

    There have been many, many wars fought over political (non-religious) issues; in fact, I’d bet money that you could count on your fingers the number of wars fought *only* over religion. Even when a fight is nominally religious, I have always found political underpinnings.

    It’s funny that you don’t hear more people rejecting politics, if it is so dangerous, in the way that many atheists reject religion.

  • http://mytensmakt.blogspot.com/ BryanJ

    Magical thinkers lose the ability to criticize other magical thinkers without irony. That’s what makes this funny to me.

  • http://skepticsplay.blogspot.com/ miller

    Aren’t atheists usually asking why moderate religions won’t criticize the extremist religions? Well, here we go. Doesn’t this count? Whether those criticisms are valid is another matter.

    Mriana said,

    I’ve read the Quran and did not see anything favourable to women nor did I see anything favourable to “losers”, which includes Christians and Jews.

    I can’t let this go by (because I’m studying the history of Islam right now). The Qur’an actually was a step forward for women at the time. It gave women divorce rights (compare with early Christianity), inheritance rights, and outlawed infanticide. I think the problem is that the Qur’an is considered to be the final word of God, so its women’s rights have been greatly outdated. Also, I believe that some parts of the tradition say God is merciful to Christians and Jews (though admittedly it’s not emphasized).

    That said, I don’t buy the argument that all religions are equally bad. Next you’ll tell me that all meta-narratives are equally correct.

  • Mriana

    I can list many verses from the Quran that I feel are just horrible towards women. Some how I don’t see it being at all liberating. The definition of the word Islam (submit, submission) is a big turn off to me, because I’m a slave to no one and that’s exactly how I see the Islamic religion, as a form of slavery.

  • ash

    that’s exactly how I see the Islamic religion, as a form of slavery.

    yes, but the same can also be said of christianity (submittance to god, jesus, priest, man as head of household, etc.). there are things in the qu’ran that i see as being preferable, from a feminist/liberal point of view, to christianity – such as adam causing the fall, rather than eve, in their creation myth, and muhammad calling for peace and tolerance between people of his faith and ‘the people of the book’ in a hadith. when a man came to see one of muhammad’s wives, it was he who had to sit behind a veil, because it was he, as a man, that could not be trusted to behave decently. whilst i don’t know of any major world religion that isn’t patriarchal in nature (possibly some of the pagan forms, but i haven’t studied those yet), the biggest difference between christianity and islam appears to be their followers, of whom i’d say muslims seem to generally be the most intolerant and bigoted. there are those that interpret the qu’ran in much the same way people like Mike C. can interpret the bible, but that doesn’t make the religion itself any worse. nor any better.

  • Mriana

    I didn’t say Christianity didn’t have bad passages. Slavery, racism, sexism, etc have been based on various Bible verses. Religion has a lot of problems to it that does not contribute to human dignity.

  • Maria

    Well, to tell the truth I don’t see what the difference is between that and something like an atheist group that has a website that points out the problems with Christian belief.

    true, or points out the problem with any religion. RRS does the same thing, though they don’t seem to focus on islam too much unfortuantely. as long as this website isn’t preaching violence maybe it’s not such a bad thing. if this were a website criticizing evangelicals would it bother anyone other than them? probably not. as much as I can’t stand evangelical xtianity, overall in the world right now, islam is a much bigger threat, and people need to stop this “criticizing islam is hateful” stuff. the veil’s been pulled off of criticizing xtianity, judiasm, and other religions in this country. good. now it’s islam’s turn, here and in Europe.

  • Darryl

    We have gotten a distorted image of Islam here in the U.S. It’s fundamentalism that is the most pressing problem, not any particular faith such as Islam. Faiths are faiths–they fall under the general criticisms of religion by free thinkers. As a religion Islam is no better or worse than any other monotheism. It’s the people that count, as it has always been. Beware of picking up a copy of the Quran and diving in without some background understanding of Islam. Doing the same thing with the Bible has led to some pretty bizarre doctrines. I would recommend Karen Armstrong’s brief history of Islam as a good starting place.


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