Other atheists engage in these discussions and use all kinds of these words to describe themselves. But to me, calling myself an atheist isn’t about trying to somehow capture my inner belief system in one word (because if you can do that, you’re probably wrong.) It’s more about sending a message: “no thanks, I’m not interested in what you’re selling”.

If I were to say that I’m a humanist, many questions would follow. If I said I’m an agnostic (as most of my friends do), I might as well be saying, “poor me, I’m lost and don’t know what to waste my time and money on. Please recruit me.” But if I say ‘atheist’–end of discussion, unless I’m in the mood to talk about it at the time.

Anyway, what I actually believe is irrelevant here–because even if I did believe in some higher power in whatever form, it’s so different from anything our society calls ‘God’, that it’s silly to insist on using correct terminology. They’ll hear it the way they want to hear it.

So, in summary, “atheist” = “no thanks”.

It would be adviseable to set the bar higher than the acceptance achieved by the gay community. Becasue outside the bubble of our small enlightened communities, there is still a lot of hate.

I completely agree. As both a lesbian and an atheist, I must admit that I get harassed for the lesbianism more often in general society. My atheist friends are fine with my atheism (and usually fine with my gayness), and my gay friends are fine with my gayness (and usually fine with my atheism, though I did have an argument over what it meant to be an atheist with a friend–he insisted it was a religion, I insisted that my lack or religion was not, by definition, such). You can’t tell from looking at me that I’m queer or atheist…unless my girlfriend is with me. There is a LOT of gay bashing still going on.

If someone were to ask me “are you an atheist?”, and I have the opportunity for a longer conversation about definitions, I would respond with “what do you mean by ‘atheist’, tell me more about your understanding of the label”. The aim is to get directly into their stereotypes, and address that there.

“If by atheist, you mean ‘someone that has no moral compass’, I’m definitely not an atheist: I live according to compassion and reason. If by atheist, you mean ‘someone that doesn’t have a belief in a God that breaks the laws of nature every now and then’, then yes, I’m an atheist.”

I really don’t care very much for labels.

If gay/lesbian activism could destigmatize the “Q” word and make Americans feel neutral about gay sexuality…

Sorry but I just don’t think this is the case. The christianists spend far more time gay-bashing than atheist-bashing and people continue to be killed for being gay. I don’t recall anyone trying on “atheist panic” as a defence for murder.

It would be adviseable to set the bar higher than the acceptance achieved by the gay community. Becasue outside the bubble of our small enlightened communities, there is still a lot of hate.

While I am still accepted by some very liberal Christians as one of them, I don’t believe in an anthropomorphic deity or any god of religion. I do believe in love and compassion, which seems to be enough for my very liberal Christians friends, esp since I can still speak their language and tolerate the idea of love being called God. The problem is, I don’t believe in a historical Jesus, which is even OK for those who believe like Spong, Cupitt, etc.

I guess if one wanted to narrow down the exact catagory of Humanist I am since some view it as a broad term that has to have an adjective with it, I’d say I fit in very well with Robert Price and Greg Epstein, but sometimes I can sound like Richard Dawkins too- esp when I’m peeved. My Christian friends (all very liberal) know I am a Humanist and don’t mind at all. In fact, when I go on a rant about religion, they oddly agree with a lot of what I say and I have very little argument with them. Sometimes I find it very surprising that they agree with what I say against religion, yet at the same time, they share similar humanistic beliefs.

However, the Evangelicals are the first to scream words like “ATHEIST!” and alike in such hateful tones. It’s the way they say it that makes me cringe and tells me that there is a lot of misconceptions about atheism. There is just something about the hatefulness in the way they say the word that is disturbing- almost like they want to try and convict me as a heretic and a witch. It’s not the word atheist that bothers me, but the tone and manner it is used in this case. I have yet to hear the word ‘humanist’ used in a similar manner.

At the same time, Humanist and Freethinker carry a lot more meaning for me too, in that they describe more about my beliefs and how I think. I may have to explain to some people what Humanism is or even Freethinker, but that’s ok. I don’t mind explaining it to those who are willing to learn and accept me as a person. In the end, like some of my Christians friends, who believe God is love, we might end up learning we believe in the same thing, but I just view it differently (not as a god concept, but something that is within the human, part of the human, and is part of the human condition) and don’t rely on religious texts. I take the word ‘god’ out of the picture and place everything on the human. Which does make me an atheist, but doesn’t sound as cruel and hateful like the Religious Fundamentalists say it. Which is precisely why I shy away from the word. Maybe if I lived in a different area, I might not shy away from the word. I don’t know.

I did enjoy the one episode The Atheist Experience, a couple weeks back, where Matt said, “If you answer anything but yes to this question, “Do you believe in God?” you’re an atheist.” Great episode and I can appreciate his definition too. He even included as “you’re an atheist” if you have to ask, “How are you defining God?” Then goes into how trying to define it as “love”, in the following episode, makes one an atheist. He had some good points, that I would love to share, but try explaining that to very liberal Xians who cling to making ‘love’ a god concept. It makes the Evangelicals right though, but puts a nicer tone to the word atheist. Maybe I should move to Austin.

Yes, my worldview is an atheistic one, but that is only a single aspect of it, and not nearly expressive enough to characterize me as a whole. It’d be like you noticing that I’m left-handed, and calling me a left-handist. Clearly I’m not living my entire life actively making choices solely on the criterion of whether or not I can do something with my left hand. I am both atheist, left-handed, and a hundred other things.

I think that Sam Harris’ reasoning is sound with regard to the ‘atheism is a word we shouldn’t acknowledge’, but I think his argument to abandon it now is premature. When ‘theist’ is the norm by massive majority, we cannot expect to get away with publicly labeling all them and leaving ourselves unlabeled. We’re the exception at present… much in the same way you’re likely to hear a white guy refer to another white guy as just ‘a guy’ while referring to a black guy as ‘a black guy’, at present, theists are ‘the guys’ and we’re ‘the atheist guys’.

I think that a world where ‘atheism’ is a useless word is a good world to strive toward, but it’s self-deception and a useless distraction from our active fight if we pretend we’re already there.

repeatedly confronting mainstream sensibilities with flamboyant gay exemplars that “lived down” to straights’ most negative stereotypes.

I think this part is key to changing the image. From my perspective, there are still too many atheists, even prominent ones, who seem to be making a point of living up to the negative stereotypes.

For any minority group, hearts and minds will start to change when people can say “I know that person, and they weren’t like I thought they’d be”.