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		<title>By: The International House of Bacon &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Jeff&#8217;s Atheism 2: The Legend of Curly&#8217;s Gold</title>
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		<dc:creator>The International House of Bacon &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Jeff&#8217;s Atheism 2: The Legend of Curly&#8217;s Gold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: MikeClawson</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/03/06/the-golden-rule/#comment-137874</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeClawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 01:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Perhaps not, but they’ve certainly raised it to the level of high art. &lt;/blockquote&gt; 
I won&#039;t argue with you there.

&lt;blockquote&gt;And atheist self-righteousness tends toward the smug, rather than the pious.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Indeed, which is why I left off &quot;pious&quot;. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Perhaps not, but they’ve certainly raised it to the level of high art. </p></blockquote>
<p>I won&#8217;t argue with you there.</p>
<blockquote><p>And atheist self-righteousness tends toward the smug, rather than the pious.</p></blockquote>
<p>Indeed, which is why I left off &#8220;pious&#8221;. <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mriana</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/03/06/the-golden-rule/#comment-137836</link>
		<dc:creator>Mriana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 22:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a writer, I don&#039;t mind flowery language either.  One can use various words in an attempt to show us a mental picture or convey emotions.  A writer has to also consider the audience too.  Six or seven years ago, my mother came down with breast cancer and has been a surviver for about 6 years now.  I wrote her a poem shortly after that and not long after that I finally decided I was a Humanist. I looked at the poem again and was about to redo it, but then I thought, &quot;That poem has great meaning for my mother. To change it, would be neglecting my intended audience and changing the communication to her as to how grateful I am to the doctors for curing her.&quot;  So I left it as is and did not change a word of it, even though it has religious wording in it.  The emotion is strong and communicates to the person I intended the poem for.

Depending on the open-mindedness of the non-theist (and even theist) the emotional meaning is still apparent- which is my love for my mother, who happens to be a Christian, and how glad I still have her today. The poem is titled &quot;For My Mother&quot;, but almost anyone can appreciate the love that is expressed, esp if they can overlook the acknowledgement of her beliefs within the poem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a writer, I don&#8217;t mind flowery language either.  One can use various words in an attempt to show us a mental picture or convey emotions.  A writer has to also consider the audience too.  Six or seven years ago, my mother came down with breast cancer and has been a surviver for about 6 years now.  I wrote her a poem shortly after that and not long after that I finally decided I was a Humanist. I looked at the poem again and was about to redo it, but then I thought, &#8220;That poem has great meaning for my mother. To change it, would be neglecting my intended audience and changing the communication to her as to how grateful I am to the doctors for curing her.&#8221;  So I left it as is and did not change a word of it, even though it has religious wording in it.  The emotion is strong and communicates to the person I intended the poem for.</p>
<p>Depending on the open-mindedness of the non-theist (and even theist) the emotional meaning is still apparent- which is my love for my mother, who happens to be a Christian, and how glad I still have her today. The poem is titled &#8220;For My Mother&#8221;, but almost anyone can appreciate the love that is expressed, esp if they can overlook the acknowledgement of her beliefs within the poem.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 22:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;religious people don’t have the corner on “self-righteous pronouncements”.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Perhaps not, but they&#039;ve certainly raised it to the level of high art. And atheist self-righteousness tends toward the smug, rather than the pious. (Yes, I was an English major!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>religious people don’t have the corner on “self-righteous pronouncements”.</p></blockquote>
<p>Perhaps not, but they&#8217;ve certainly raised it to the level of high art. And atheist self-righteousness tends toward the smug, rather than the pious. (Yes, I was an English major!)</p>
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		<title>By: Siamang</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/03/06/the-golden-rule/#comment-137815</link>
		<dc:creator>Siamang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 21:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;former humanities major&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ditto here!

I don&#039;t mind well-written flowery language.  But it seems that in this instance PZ Myers is just mimicking the Nicene creed in form and meter.  A creed that might have come trippingly off the tongue in latin, but comes off as a bit of a shopping list in english, at least to my modern ears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>former humanities major</p></blockquote>
<p>Ditto here!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mind well-written flowery language.  But it seems that in this instance PZ Myers is just mimicking the Nicene creed in form and meter.  A creed that might have come trippingly off the tongue in latin, but comes off as a bit of a shopping list in english, at least to my modern ears.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#1 definition of &quot;creed&quot; from American Heritage:

A formal statement of religious belief; a confession of faith. 

Run away!  Run away!

Okay, I suppose the other definition isn&#039;t quite as bad...but still.

Does convey some good ideas though....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1 definition of &#8220;creed&#8221; from American Heritage:</p>
<p>A formal statement of religious belief; a confession of faith. </p>
<p>Run away!  Run away!</p>
<p>Okay, I suppose the other definition isn&#8217;t quite as bad&#8230;but still.</p>
<p>Does convey some good ideas though&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeClawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeClawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I had enough pious, self-righteous pronouncements from religion to last 3 lifetimes, I’m sure.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think the atheist poster above, as well as Pritzlaff&#039;s comment about it, demonstrate that religious people don&#039;t have the corner on &quot;self-righteous pronouncements&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I had enough pious, self-righteous pronouncements from religion to last 3 lifetimes, I’m sure.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think the atheist poster above, as well as Pritzlaff&#8217;s comment about it, demonstrate that religious people don&#8217;t have the corner on &#8220;self-righteous pronouncements&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeClawson</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/03/06/the-golden-rule/#comment-137783</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeClawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;An atheist’s creed&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think that&#039;s a great statement and even as Christian I can affirm about 85% of it.

And maybe as a former humanities major I don&#039;t mind &quot;airy-fairy&quot; language as much as you do. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>An atheist’s creed</p></blockquote>
<p>I think that&#8217;s a great statement and even as Christian I can affirm about 85% of it.</p>
<p>And maybe as a former humanities major I don&#8217;t mind &#8220;airy-fairy&#8221; language as much as you do. <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I think there’s a positive aspect to the fact that atheists can have a sense of humor about this stuff and don’t really have to take themselves so seriously every moment of the day. &lt;/blockquote&gt;


Amen, brother! I had enough pious, self-righteous pronouncements from religion to last 3 lifetimes, I&#039;m sure. Some religious people need to get over themselves already.

&lt;blockquote&gt;In one aspect, I like “An Atheist’s Creed” well enough. But on the other hand there’s something that really gets on my wick about such airy-fairy language such that if I had to hear it every day, or worse, had to recite it every day, I think I’d lose my lunch.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I wouldn&#039;t want to recite it every day, but it might serve rather nicely as a standing statement that we could point people to who are always asking the questions about &quot;what DO atheists believe&quot; and asserting erroneously that we believe in &quot;nothing.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think there’s a positive aspect to the fact that atheists can have a sense of humor about this stuff and don’t really have to take themselves so seriously every moment of the day. </p></blockquote>
<p>Amen, brother! I had enough pious, self-righteous pronouncements from religion to last 3 lifetimes, I&#8217;m sure. Some religious people need to get over themselves already.</p>
<blockquote><p>In one aspect, I like “An Atheist’s Creed” well enough. But on the other hand there’s something that really gets on my wick about such airy-fairy language such that if I had to hear it every day, or worse, had to recite it every day, I think I’d lose my lunch.</p></blockquote>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t want to recite it every day, but it might serve rather nicely as a standing statement that we could point people to who are always asking the questions about &#8220;what DO atheists believe&#8221; and asserting erroneously that we believe in &#8220;nothing.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Siamang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Siamang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pharyngula had this one today.


  &lt;blockquote&gt;An atheist&#039;s creed

    I believe in time,
    matter, and energy,
    which make up the whole of the world.

    I believe in reason, evidence and the human mind,
    the only tools we have;
    they are the product of natural forces
    in a majestic but impersonal universe,
    grander and richer than we can imagine,
    a source of endless opportunities for discovery.

    I believe in the power of doubt;
    I do not seek out reassurances,
    but embrace the question,
    and strive to challenge my own beliefs.

    I accept human mortality.

    We have but one life,
    brief and full of struggle,
    leavened with love and community,
    learning and exploration,
    beauty and the creation of
    new life, new art, and new ideas.

    I rejoice in this life that I have,
    and in the grandeur of a world that preceded me,
    and an earth that will abide without me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


I don&#039;t know if I like it better than &quot;...the ass you may have to kiss tomorrow.&quot;

I think there&#039;s a positive aspect to the fact that atheists can have a sense of humor about this stuff and don&#039;t really have to take themselves so seriously every moment of the day.  In one aspect, I like &quot;An Atheist&#039;s Creed&quot; well enough.  But on the other hand there&#039;s something that really gets on my wick about such airy-fairy language such that if I had to hear it every day, or worse, had to recite it every day, I think I&#039;d lose my lunch.

Give me the Gospel According to Monty Python or Douglas Adams any day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pharyngula had this one today.</p>
<blockquote><p>An atheist&#8217;s creed</p>
<p>    I believe in time,<br />
    matter, and energy,<br />
    which make up the whole of the world.</p>
<p>    I believe in reason, evidence and the human mind,<br />
    the only tools we have;<br />
    they are the product of natural forces<br />
    in a majestic but impersonal universe,<br />
    grander and richer than we can imagine,<br />
    a source of endless opportunities for discovery.</p>
<p>    I believe in the power of doubt;<br />
    I do not seek out reassurances,<br />
    but embrace the question,<br />
    and strive to challenge my own beliefs.</p>
<p>    I accept human mortality.</p>
<p>    We have but one life,<br />
    brief and full of struggle,<br />
    leavened with love and community,<br />
    learning and exploration,<br />
    beauty and the creation of<br />
    new life, new art, and new ideas.</p>
<p>    I rejoice in this life that I have,<br />
    and in the grandeur of a world that preceded me,<br />
    and an earth that will abide without me.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if I like it better than &#8220;&#8230;the ass you may have to kiss tomorrow.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s a positive aspect to the fact that atheists can have a sense of humor about this stuff and don&#8217;t really have to take themselves so seriously every moment of the day.  In one aspect, I like &#8220;An Atheist&#8217;s Creed&#8221; well enough.  But on the other hand there&#8217;s something that really gets on my wick about such airy-fairy language such that if I had to hear it every day, or worse, had to recite it every day, I think I&#8217;d lose my lunch.</p>
<p>Give me the Gospel According to Monty Python or Douglas Adams any day.</p>
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