Don’t Cross That Line

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(via Freethought Today)


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  • I like tea

    Well, it’s not like that hasn’t always been the case in America, but this cartoon is particularly relevant right now, during all the disgusting Bush-Pope 69ing going on.

  • http://www.skepticalmonkey.com Ted Goas

    Lol, nice! What’s next? The Church Guy sitting in the lap of the State Guy? Or perhaps the two holding hands?

    Should they even be sitting on the same park bench?

  • TXatheist

    One more reason I love getting the monthly magazine, Freethought Today.

  • Karen

    during all the disgusting Bush-Pope 69ing going on.

    I understand that the media focus is on the Pope’s visit and the throngs of faithful who are excited about seeing him, but honestly the breathless, reverential tone is really annoying. You’d think that the entire nation was composed of fanatical Catholics, the way this is being covered.

    Aside from the clergy scandal, there’s been almost no criticism of this guy that PZ Myers calls “an obscenely wealthy old man heading an organization that protects child abusers and advocates horrendous and ignorant social practices that harm the poor all around the world.”

    I’m in no awe of the Pope whatsoever, and I imagine a few other Americans aren’t either. Yet sanctimonious religiosity rules the airwaves. Earlier this week, the (now-infamous) Charlie Gibson closed a report on the Virginia Tech anniversary by saying something like, “I think it’s safe to say that every American said a prayer today for the Virginia Tech families.”

    Sigh.

  • Jason

    So, Mr Pope Sir, why do you blame the child abuse problem in your church on America’s access to nudity and violence, of all things? Perhaps if you actually did the RIGHT thing and cooperated with local authorities and didn’t shuffle priests around, we wouldn’t think you are a total tool.

  • Alycia

    They did a story on NPR this morning about the pope meeting with the abuse victims. They said that they told their stories, and the pope kept nodding. None really mentioned any verbal affirmations that changes were going to be made. They mention the apology, but to me, saying thank you and nodding while someone is talking is not an apology.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89750313

  • Karen

    They mention the apology, but to me, saying thank you and nodding while someone is talking is not an apology.

    Well, I’m glad he deigned to take a half hour out of his busy schedule to meet with a small number of abuse victims. But man, talk about “too little, too late!”

    Someone wrote a letter that was published in the NY Times today that chastised the abuse victims for not following the biblical admonition to “forgive.” Gimme a fracking break…

  • Dana

    “I think it’s safe to say that every American said a prayer today for the Virginia Tech families.”

    it’s just a statement. I think he said this b/c a lot of people did pray when it actually happened. like it or not, people do pray when a tragedy happens.

  • Maria

    LOL, I like the cartoon

  • Maria

    LOL, I like the cartoon

    Well, I’m glad he deigned to take a half hour out of his busy schedule to meet with a small number of abuse victims. But man, talk about “too little, too late!”

    Someone wrote a letter that was published in the NY Times today that chastised the abuse victims for not following the biblical admonition to “forgive.” Gimme a fracking break…

    I agree with you, and it amazes me how many people blame the victims……

  • I like tea

    So, Mr Pope Sir, why do you blame the child abuse problem in your church on America’s access to nudity and violence, of all things?

    Amazing how moral conservatives manage to get it all backwards. Do you think there would be more or fewer sex crimes in our society if sex and nudity weren’t the Big Deal they are? I’d say fewer. They’d still happen; I’m not that naive. Unfortunately, looking to other societies for case studies is incredibly problematic, since you have to wonder if in places like Japan, which has a substantially lower rate of rape, there might be chronic underreporting going on. Nonetheless, I stand by my principle that if we were all naked more often, and more publicly, and were less repressed about sex, there would in fact be fewer sex crimes.

    Perhaps if you actually did the RIGHT thing and cooperated with local authorities and didn’t shuffle priests around, we wouldn’t think you are a total tool.

    I’ll also add that one right thing to do would be to lift the idiotic celibacy restrictions on the clergy. That’s one of those things that turns sex into a Big Deal. Men need to put their penises somewhere on occasion (I’m not saying women don’t have sexual needs, but the clergy happens to be entirely male, which is yet another manner in which the Catholic Church is incredibly backwards). To demand that they repress this entirely natural need, and then expect them to be healthy, fully functional men, is absolutely moronic.

    (I agree regarding the idiocy of blaming the victim, too, but I’ve gone on long enough without talking about that, so…)

  • Karen

    it’s just a statement. I think he said this b/c a lot of people did pray when it actually happened. like it or not, people do pray when a tragedy happens.

    And, like it or not, more and more people do not pray and are realizing that prayer does not work. I realize it’s “just a statement,” but it’s an inaccurate and exclusionary statement and that fact needs to start seeping into the national consciousness.

    This is a main reason we do need to be more outspoken and “in your face” (though I advocate doing it civilly) – people speaking about “every American” need to realize that there’s a growing number of non-religious people here who are Americans too.


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