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	<title>Comments on: Evangelicals Criticize Themselves</title>
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	<description>by Hemant Mehta</description>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/05/03/evangelicals-criticize-themselves/#comment-161407</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 15:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For Phil Burress to be involved in this proves to me immediately that it&#039;s b.s. Any fellow Cincinnatians will know what I mean. He&#039;s known in this area as the go-to guy when you need to push a conservative Christian political agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Phil Burress to be involved in this proves to me immediately that it&#8217;s b.s. Any fellow Cincinnatians will know what I mean. He&#8217;s known in this area as the go-to guy when you need to push a conservative Christian political agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: Jurjen S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jurjen S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 19:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the fundamental (no pun intended) problem with this paper is the premise that Christianity is not an ideology. &lt;i&gt;Any&lt;/i&gt; doctrinal religion is &lt;i&gt;by definition&lt;/i&gt; ideological. As soon as you attempt to have certain behaviors promoted or prohibited on the basis of your religious beliefs, you make them a political issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the fundamental (no pun intended) problem with this paper is the premise that Christianity is not an ideology. <i>Any</i> doctrinal religion is <i>by definition</i> ideological. As soon as you attempt to have certain behaviors promoted or prohibited on the basis of your religious beliefs, you make them a political issue.</p>
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		<title>By: MTran</title>
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		<dc:creator>MTran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 00:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone here have a chance to read &lt;em&gt;The Fall of the Evangelical Nation: The Surprising Crisis Inside the Church&lt;/em&gt; by Christine Wicker?  If so, does it throw any light on what&#039;s going on politically within the Evangelical sects?

There&#039;s a post by Wicker at &lt;a href=&quot;http://conversationattheedge.com/2008/05/04/the-fall-of-the-evangelical-nation/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ConversationAtTheEdge&lt;/a&gt;  that brought it to my attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone here have a chance to read <em>The Fall of the Evangelical Nation: The Surprising Crisis Inside the Church</em> by Christine Wicker?  If so, does it throw any light on what&#8217;s going on politically within the Evangelical sects?</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a post by Wicker at <a href="http://conversationattheedge.com/2008/05/04/the-fall-of-the-evangelical-nation/" rel="nofollow">ConversationAtTheEdge</a>  that brought it to my attention.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Goas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Goas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 16:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, evangelicals actually thought about something....

While it&#039;s nice to hear their taking a look at the inner beliefs and we should have happy they&#039;re taking steps at all, it doesn&#039;t seem like they&#039;re making any big changes from the article above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, evangelicals actually thought about something&#8230;.</p>
<p>While it&#8217;s nice to hear their taking a look at the inner beliefs and we should have happy they&#8217;re taking steps at all, it doesn&#8217;t seem like they&#8217;re making any big changes from the article above.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 05:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big names or not, &quot;blessings&quot; or not, if they aren&#039;t going to actually cease their intrusions into public policy and personal liberties, then it&#039;s all window dressing.  I think it might actually be better if this bullshit is disregarded because it&#039;s like a wolf dressing up in lamb&#039;s clothing.  &quot;Oh we&#039;ve learned our lesson.  We&#039;re gonna concentrate on God and stay away from the seduction of power politics from now on.&quot; Yeah, right.  When the Discovery Institute disbands for sentiments like this and they become a bunch of monks praying in the mountains I might begin to believe it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big names or not, &#8220;blessings&#8221; or not, if they aren&#8217;t going to actually cease their intrusions into public policy and personal liberties, then it&#8217;s all window dressing.  I think it might actually be better if this bullshit is disregarded because it&#8217;s like a wolf dressing up in lamb&#8217;s clothing.  &#8220;Oh we&#8217;ve learned our lesson.  We&#8217;re gonna concentrate on God and stay away from the seduction of power politics from now on.&#8221; Yeah, right.  When the Discovery Institute disbands for sentiments like this and they become a bunch of monks praying in the mountains I might begin to believe it.</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/05/03/evangelicals-criticize-themselves/#comment-160425</link>
		<dc:creator>Darryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 03:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The conglomeration of politics and religion is disastrous for both.  Slowly, Christians and politicians  are relearning this lesson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The conglomeration of politics and religion is disastrous for both.  Slowly, Christians and politicians  are relearning this lesson.</p>
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		<title>By: writerdd</title>
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		<dc:creator>writerdd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 01:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, Hemant. That all IS political whether they want to admit it or not.

I disagree with the comment about &quot;throwing a pebble in the ocean.&quot; Dobson gets tons of media attention but he is held in contempt by many, many evangelical churches. He does not have the power that the media thinks he has. He doesn&#039;t have the power that he thinks he has, for that matter.

As far as Land goes, the Southern Baptists seem to be making themselves more and more irrelevant every year, although Baptists aren&#039;t very influential.

At least that&#039;s how it was when I was involved. I guess things could have changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Hemant. That all IS political whether they want to admit it or not.</p>
<p>I disagree with the comment about &#8220;throwing a pebble in the ocean.&#8221; Dobson gets tons of media attention but he is held in contempt by many, many evangelical churches. He does not have the power that the media thinks he has. He doesn&#8217;t have the power that he thinks he has, for that matter.</p>
<p>As far as Land goes, the Southern Baptists seem to be making themselves more and more irrelevant every year, although Baptists aren&#8217;t very influential.</p>
<p>At least that&#8217;s how it was when I was involved. I guess things could have changed.</p>
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