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	<description>by Hemant Mehta</description>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/05/03/interesting-yahoo-group/#comment-160616</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 19:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_naturism&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Christian Naturism&lt;/a&gt;

I can&#039;t quite explain it, mostly because any religious argument for anything defies explanation. I will say that like most religious things, the theological case is more a rationalization for their activities than the other way around.

They&#039;re actually a pretty big segment of the (very small) nudist subculture in the USA. Which I guess isn&#039;t too surprising - there&#039;s kind of this nexus between spirituality, nudity, and connectedness to nature - it seems to attract a lot of religious types, mostly new age pagan/wiccan type people, but a sizable number of religious Christians as well.

My experience with them, anecdotally based on the few nude venues I&#039;ve been to, is that they&#039;re among the most prudish and uptight people imaginable. They constantly have to prove (to themselves mostly) that their motivations for social nudity are pure and have nothing to do with sex, and thus can&#039;t allow even the slightest bit of sexuality to creep into it. I mostly agree with the assertion that nudity isn&#039;t inherently sexual, but they&#039;re so fervent with it that one imagines they must put clothes on in order to have sex. Conequently, the social atmosphere is something akin to an old folk&#039;s home (though the demographics of nudists might have something to do with that). Kind of funny, if it wasn&#039;t so sad - though their attitude is still a good deal healthier than those Christians that promote body shame and are so judgmental of immodesty.</description>
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<p>I can&#8217;t quite explain it, mostly because any religious argument for anything defies explanation. I will say that like most religious things, the theological case is more a rationalization for their activities than the other way around.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re actually a pretty big segment of the (very small) nudist subculture in the USA. Which I guess isn&#8217;t too surprising &#8211; there&#8217;s kind of this nexus between spirituality, nudity, and connectedness to nature &#8211; it seems to attract a lot of religious types, mostly new age pagan/wiccan type people, but a sizable number of religious Christians as well.</p>
<p>My experience with them, anecdotally based on the few nude venues I&#8217;ve been to, is that they&#8217;re among the most prudish and uptight people imaginable. They constantly have to prove (to themselves mostly) that their motivations for social nudity are pure and have nothing to do with sex, and thus can&#8217;t allow even the slightest bit of sexuality to creep into it. I mostly agree with the assertion that nudity isn&#8217;t inherently sexual, but they&#8217;re so fervent with it that one imagines they must put clothes on in order to have sex. Conequently, the social atmosphere is something akin to an old folk&#8217;s home (though the demographics of nudists might have something to do with that). Kind of funny, if it wasn&#8217;t so sad &#8211; though their attitude is still a good deal healthier than those Christians that promote body shame and are so judgmental of immodesty.</p>
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		<title>By: Paolo</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/05/03/interesting-yahoo-group/#comment-160522</link>
		<dc:creator>Paolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 15:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They deleted it!! Now, the easiest way to find it is to click on &quot;More results from groups.yahoo.com&quot; (after the second result).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They deleted it!! Now, the easiest way to find it is to click on &#8220;More results from groups.yahoo.com&#8221; (after the second result).</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/05/03/interesting-yahoo-group/#comment-160463</link>
		<dc:creator>Cathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 07:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christian naturism, no one here said that nudity was bad (one person actually advised it as a sales pitch), it&#039;s just ironic given the mainstream Christian position on nudity and sexuality.  A Christian wack job led the fight to ban tanktops at my little sister&#039;s school (because apparantly seeing shoulders will just drive all of those ten year olds over the edge ) and given the way most Christians view the subject, the idea of Christian Nudists is a bit outside of the mainstream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christian naturism, no one here said that nudity was bad (one person actually advised it as a sales pitch), it&#8217;s just ironic given the mainstream Christian position on nudity and sexuality.  A Christian wack job led the fight to ban tanktops at my little sister&#8217;s school (because apparantly seeing shoulders will just drive all of those ten year olds over the edge ) and given the way most Christians view the subject, the idea of Christian Nudists is a bit outside of the mainstream.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 06:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hemant, too bad you didn&#039;t include one of these groups in your book.  Or maybe it&#039;s a good thing you didn&#039;t.  You might not have ever written it and would just now be getting out of the Happy Valley Sanitorium for the Very Very Nervous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hemant, too bad you didn&#8217;t include one of these groups in your book.  Or maybe it&#8217;s a good thing you didn&#8217;t.  You might not have ever written it and would just now be getting out of the Happy Valley Sanitorium for the Very Very Nervous.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian naturism</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian naturism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 03:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?name=f&amp;hl=en&amp;q=Christian+naturism&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Christian Naturism&quot;&lt;/a&gt; and you&#039;ll see what that means.

I think it is a much more civilized and rational view on the body than the one we see from those gymnophobes we&#039;re all all-too-familiar with. Sadly, most here have likely appropriated the &quot;nudity=something to be ashamed of&quot; mentality about the body; particularly, the female body. 

More civilized, specifically, than same people who think it is a sane thing to make baby girls wear bikini tops. Personally, I think its bizarre that we even wear bathing suits to &lt;em&gt;get in the water&lt;/em&gt;; much less forcing women to wear tops on the precedence of &quot;indecent exposure.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google <a href="http://www.google.com/search?name=f&amp;hl=en&amp;q=Christian+naturism" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Christian Naturism&#8221;</a> and you&#8217;ll see what that means.</p>
<p>I think it is a much more civilized and rational view on the body than the one we see from those gymnophobes we&#8217;re all all-too-familiar with. Sadly, most here have likely appropriated the &#8220;nudity=something to be ashamed of&#8221; mentality about the body; particularly, the female body. </p>
<p>More civilized, specifically, than same people who think it is a sane thing to make baby girls wear bikini tops. Personally, I think its bizarre that we even wear bathing suits to <em>get in the water</em>; much less forcing women to wear tops on the precedence of &#8220;indecent exposure.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: TheDeadEye</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheDeadEye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 02:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t need to dress up for Sunday Church...</description>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 23:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note to Christian Churches (and their marketing departments): I would totally go to naked church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note to Christian Churches (and their marketing departments): I would totally go to naked church.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 23:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not that unusual even here in the Bible Belt.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nashvillescene.com/Stories/Cover_Story/2007/08/02/Naked_Before_God/index.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not that unusual even here in the Bible Belt.<br />
<a href="http://www.nashvillescene.com/Stories/Cover_Story/2007/08/02/Naked_Before_God/index.shtml" rel="nofollow"></a></p>
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		<title>By: mikespeir</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikespeir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 21:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God hates nakedness!  He even forbade going up to the altar by steps because he would then be able to see under the priests&#039; robes (Exodus 20:26.)  Interestingly, he apparently couldn&#039;t see &lt;i&gt;through&lt;/i&gt; the robes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God hates nakedness!  He even forbade going up to the altar by steps because he would then be able to see under the priests&#8217; robes (Exodus 20:26.)  Interestingly, he apparently couldn&#8217;t see <i>through</i> the robes.</p>
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		<title>By: Luther Weeks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luther Weeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 21:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If God had meant Christians to be nude he would not have provided them with clothes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If God had meant Christians to be nude he would not have provided them with clothes.</p>
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