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	<title>Comments on: How Original is Christianity?</title>
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	<description>by Hemant Mehta</description>
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		<title>By: J. J. Ramsey</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/06/01/how-original-is-christianity/#comment-180907</link>
		<dc:creator>J. J. Ramsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 00:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aziz, I found a link to what you were talking about: http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/luxor_2.html

Somehow I didn&#039;t see that Acharya S&#039; discussion was three pages and that Carrier&#039;s stuff was on the second page.

That said, you misrepresented Carrier as talking about a wholly different set of tablets, when at worst he overstated the sexual content of the panel in question--presuming that Acharya S isn&#039;t pulling a fast one, which isn&#039;t guaranteed either. Offhand, even from Acharya S&#039; words, it looks like there were two parallel inscriptions describing the same image. Tellingly, she leaves the second of JoeWallack&#039;s complaints about the Luxor inscriptions unanswered. (See #330 in the lonnnnnng thread on Acharya S.) She tries to have it both ways, showing Sir Budge&#039;s words indicate that Thoth appeared to the queen after she&#039;d been impregnated, yet using a quote from Massey to say that Thoth was doing something analogous to the Annunciation in the Gospel of Luke.

BTW, just to be careful, I&#039;ve PMed Richard Carrier about whether Acharya S rebutted him accurately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aziz, I found a link to what you were talking about: <a href="http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/luxor_2.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/luxor_2.html</a></p>
<p>Somehow I didn&#8217;t see that Acharya S&#8217; discussion was three pages and that Carrier&#8217;s stuff was on the second page.</p>
<p>That said, you misrepresented Carrier as talking about a wholly different set of tablets, when at worst he overstated the sexual content of the panel in question&#8211;presuming that Acharya S isn&#8217;t pulling a fast one, which isn&#8217;t guaranteed either. Offhand, even from Acharya S&#8217; words, it looks like there were two parallel inscriptions describing the same image. Tellingly, she leaves the second of JoeWallack&#8217;s complaints about the Luxor inscriptions unanswered. (See #330 in the lonnnnnng thread on Acharya S.) She tries to have it both ways, showing Sir Budge&#8217;s words indicate that Thoth appeared to the queen after she&#8217;d been impregnated, yet using a quote from Massey to say that Thoth was doing something analogous to the Annunciation in the Gospel of Luke.</p>
<p>BTW, just to be careful, I&#8217;ve PMed Richard Carrier about whether Acharya S rebutted him accurately.</p>
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		<title>By: Pseudonym</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/06/01/how-original-is-christianity/#comment-179577</link>
		<dc:creator>Pseudonym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 03:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Hemant.  It looks like a huge time sink, so I think I&#039;ll pass on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Hemant.  It looks like a huge time sink, so I think I&#8217;ll pass on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Hemant Mehta</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/06/01/how-original-is-christianity/#comment-179520</link>
		<dc:creator>Hemant Mehta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 00:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;For my own edification: What is IIDB?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://iidb.infidels.org/vbb/index.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Internet Infidels Discussion Board&lt;/a&gt;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>For my own edification: What is IIDB?</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://iidb.infidels.org/vbb/index.php" rel="nofollow">Internet Infidels Discussion Board</a>!</p>
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		<title>By: Pseudonym</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/06/01/how-original-is-christianity/#comment-179493</link>
		<dc:creator>Pseudonym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For my own edification: What is IIDB?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For my own edification: What is IIDB?</p>
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		<title>By: Mriana</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/06/01/how-original-is-christianity/#comment-179481</link>
		<dc:creator>Mriana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, then listen to Robert Price&#039;s podcasts and he&#039;ll gladly explain it to you.  Obviously you didn&#039;t read what I said in it&#039;s entirety, so it is pointless to continue any discussion with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, then listen to Robert Price&#8217;s podcasts and he&#8217;ll gladly explain it to you.  Obviously you didn&#8217;t read what I said in it&#8217;s entirety, so it is pointless to continue any discussion with you.</p>
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		<title>By: J. J. Ramsey</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/06/01/how-original-is-christianity/#comment-179464</link>
		<dc:creator>J. J. Ramsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, the definition of &lt;a href=&quot;http://jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=586&amp;letter=M&amp;search=midrash&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;midrash from the Jewish Encyclopedia&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;A term occurring as early as II Chron. xiii. 22, xxiv. 27, though perhaps not in the sense in which it came to be used later, and denoting &quot;exposition,&quot; &quot;exegesis,&quot; especially that of the Scriptures. In contradistinction to literal interpretation, subsequently called &quot;pesha?&quot; (comp. Geiger&#039;s &quot;Wiss. Zeit. Jüd. Theol.&quot; v. 244), the term &quot;midrash&quot; designates an exegesis which, going more deeply than the mere literal sense, attempts to penetrate into the spirit of the Scriptures, to examine the text from all sides, and thereby to derive interpretations which are not immediately obvious.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Speaking of &quot;Jesus being a midrash of Krishna&quot; just doesn&#039;t make any sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, the definition of <a href="http://jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=586&amp;letter=M&amp;search=midrash" rel="nofollow">midrash from the Jewish Encyclopedia</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>A term occurring as early as II Chron. xiii. 22, xxiv. 27, though perhaps not in the sense in which it came to be used later, and denoting &#8220;exposition,&#8221; &#8220;exegesis,&#8221; especially that of the Scriptures. In contradistinction to literal interpretation, subsequently called &#8220;pesha?&#8221; (comp. Geiger&#8217;s &#8220;Wiss. Zeit. Jüd. Theol.&#8221; v. 244), the term &#8220;midrash&#8221; designates an exegesis which, going more deeply than the mere literal sense, attempts to penetrate into the spirit of the Scriptures, to examine the text from all sides, and thereby to derive interpretations which are not immediately obvious.</p></blockquote>
<p>Speaking of &#8220;Jesus being a midrash of Krishna&#8221; just doesn&#8217;t make any sense.</p>
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		<title>By: J. J. Ramsey</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/06/01/how-original-is-christianity/#comment-179446</link>
		<dc:creator>J. J. Ramsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 22:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mriana: &quot;No it’s not, because it is written in the texts.&quot;

That&#039;s not a valid reason to call a parallel strong. If the texts in question only weakly resemble one another, the parallel is still weak.

aziz: &quot;This really is crossing the line of intellectual honesty. I know who wrote that quote &#039;Amaleq13&#039; a moderator at IIDB and he is so one-sided and biased against anything by Acharya that it borders hatred.&quot;

Care to cite evidence for this hatred? It shouldn&#039;t be hard to find an IIDB post demonstrating this irrational hatred.

aziz: &quot;Richard Carrier made an egregious error &#039;skimming&#039; Brunner in German and actually cited the wrong tablets.&quot;

I&#039;ve Googled and have yet to find a confirmation of this. Again, care to show me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mriana: &#8220;No it’s not, because it is written in the texts.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not a valid reason to call a parallel strong. If the texts in question only weakly resemble one another, the parallel is still weak.</p>
<p>aziz: &#8220;This really is crossing the line of intellectual honesty. I know who wrote that quote &#8216;Amaleq13&#8242; a moderator at IIDB and he is so one-sided and biased against anything by Acharya that it borders hatred.&#8221;</p>
<p>Care to cite evidence for this hatred? It shouldn&#8217;t be hard to find an IIDB post demonstrating this irrational hatred.</p>
<p>aziz: &#8220;Richard Carrier made an egregious error &#8216;skimming&#8217; Brunner in German and actually cited the wrong tablets.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve Googled and have yet to find a confirmation of this. Again, care to show me?</p>
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		<title>By: Mriana</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/06/01/how-original-is-christianity/#comment-179159</link>
		<dc:creator>Mriana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only that, aziz, IF he thinks my long thread was about Acharya, he didn&#039;t read it at all, because it was not about her, except at the end in response to what he said concerning her.  In fact, those I referenced, have written things that actually support what Acharya has been saying, so I didn&#039;t have to mention her name at all.  With such info and text books being used at a university, I don&#039;t have to use her as a reference when the person in the debate is so much against her.  In all honesty I don&#039;t think JJ read much of what I said in that long post.

I also agree with you about the translation and intellectual honesty too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only that, aziz, IF he thinks my long thread was about Acharya, he didn&#8217;t read it at all, because it was not about her, except at the end in response to what he said concerning her.  In fact, those I referenced, have written things that actually support what Acharya has been saying, so I didn&#8217;t have to mention her name at all.  With such info and text books being used at a university, I don&#8217;t have to use her as a reference when the person in the debate is so much against her.  In all honesty I don&#8217;t think JJ read much of what I said in that long post.</p>
<p>I also agree with you about the translation and intellectual honesty too.</p>
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		<title>By: aziz</title>
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		<dc:creator>aziz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 05:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Ramsey &quot;Yet when there is a lonnnnng thread on IIDB on her, we have, for example, her misrepresenting tablets at Luxor because she relied on a 19th century secondary source, or treating a quote from a translator introducing his translation of Macrobius as a quote from Macrobius himself. Before you accuse me of missing the forest for the trees, I quote one of the commenters in the thread responding to such an accusation: “we’re trying to determine how many of the trees comprising your forest are actually cardboard cut-outs so that analogy doesn’t really work.” So far, I keep seeing far more cardboard than tree. Sorry, but that’s how it is.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This really is crossing the line of intellectual honesty. I know who wrote that quote &quot;Amaleq13&quot; a moderator at IIDB and he is so one-sided and biased against anything by Acharya that it borders hatred. If you (or he) bothered to check or research for yourself what is going on at Luxor you&#039;d find that Acharya has been right all along. Richard Carrier made an egregious error &quot;skimming&quot; Brunner in German and actually cited the wrong tablets. Talk about poor and sloppy scholarship. 

Acharya&#039;s translation of Macrobius is correct despite the desperate claims otherwise. Acharya&#039;s new book &quot;Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection&quot; soon to be available will change the world of Egyptology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Ramsey &#8220;Yet when there is a lonnnnng thread on IIDB on her, we have, for example, her misrepresenting tablets at Luxor because she relied on a 19th century secondary source, or treating a quote from a translator introducing his translation of Macrobius as a quote from Macrobius himself. Before you accuse me of missing the forest for the trees, I quote one of the commenters in the thread responding to such an accusation: “we’re trying to determine how many of the trees comprising your forest are actually cardboard cut-outs so that analogy doesn’t really work.” So far, I keep seeing far more cardboard than tree. Sorry, but that’s how it is.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>This really is crossing the line of intellectual honesty. I know who wrote that quote &#8220;Amaleq13&#8243; a moderator at IIDB and he is so one-sided and biased against anything by Acharya that it borders hatred. If you (or he) bothered to check or research for yourself what is going on at Luxor you&#8217;d find that Acharya has been right all along. Richard Carrier made an egregious error &#8220;skimming&#8221; Brunner in German and actually cited the wrong tablets. Talk about poor and sloppy scholarship. </p>
<p>Acharya&#8217;s translation of Macrobius is correct despite the desperate claims otherwise. Acharya&#8217;s new book &#8220;Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection&#8221; soon to be available will change the world of Egyptology.</p>
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		<title>By: Mriana</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/06/01/how-original-is-christianity/#comment-178653</link>
		<dc:creator>Mriana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 02:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing, IF Victor Matthews were controversial, he would not be a professor at a university that is in the heart of the Bible Belt nor would his recognitions, not even the one in the past year be posted on that uni&#039;s website.

http://www.missouristate.edu/relst/53042.htm

http://www.missouristate.edu/relst/matt.htm

http://courses.missouristate.edu/victormatthews/vita.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing, IF Victor Matthews were controversial, he would not be a professor at a university that is in the heart of the Bible Belt nor would his recognitions, not even the one in the past year be posted on that uni&#8217;s website.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.missouristate.edu/relst/53042.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.missouristate.edu/relst/53042.htm</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.missouristate.edu/relst/matt.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.missouristate.edu/relst/matt.htm</a></p>
<p><a href="http://courses.missouristate.edu/victormatthews/vita.htm" rel="nofollow">http://courses.missouristate.edu/victormatthews/vita.htm</a></p>
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