Comments on: Ouch! The Logic! It Burns! http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/06/03/ouch-the-logic-it-burns/ by Hemant Mehta Sun, 27 May 2012 21:04:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Darryl http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/06/03/ouch-the-logic-it-burns/#comment-181016 Darryl Sat, 07 Jun 2008 06:43:09 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/06/03/ouch-the-logic-it-burns/#comment-181016 <blockquote> Since God is not real, He is not a fact. Since God believes in a higher power that is not a fact, God is a theist. I believe the correct analysis is: If God is real, he is an atheist. If he is not real, he is a theist (an autotheist?).</blockquote> No. If it is assumed that to believe in a non-factual God is theism, then since God, to be God, must be able to believe in something unreal--not a fact, He must be able to believe in Himself despite the fact that He does not exist. Since God is not real, He is the theist. Since God is not real, I am the atheist. I am not able to believe in something unreal when it is a God.

Since God is not real, He is not a fact.

Since God believes in a higher power that is not a fact, God is a theist.

I believe the correct analysis is: If God is real, he is an atheist. If he is not real, he is a theist (an autotheist?).

No.

If it is assumed that to believe in a non-factual God is theism, then since God, to be God, must be able to believe in something unreal–not a fact, He must be able to believe in Himself despite the fact that He does not exist.

Since God is not real, He is the theist.
Since God is not real, I am the atheist. I am not able to believe in something unreal when it is a God.

]]> By: Derek http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/06/03/ouch-the-logic-it-burns/#comment-179184 Derek Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:23:06 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/06/03/ouch-the-logic-it-burns/#comment-179184 <blockquote>Since God is not real, He is not a fact. Since God believes in a higher power that is not a fact, God is a theist.</blockquote> I believe the correct analysis is: If God is real, he is an atheist. If he is not real, he is a theist (an autotheist?).

Since God is not real, He is not a fact.

Since God believes in a higher power that is not a fact, God is a theist.

I believe the correct analysis is: If God is real, he is an atheist. If he is not real, he is a theist (an autotheist?).

]]> By: Hemant Mehta http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/06/03/ouch-the-logic-it-burns/#comment-179146 Hemant Mehta Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:22:47 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/06/03/ouch-the-logic-it-burns/#comment-179146 <blockquote>One minor point: Shannon Wheeler is, in spite of his name, a man.</blockquote> My bad. Fixed. Thanks!

One minor point: Shannon Wheeler is, in spite of his name, a man.

My bad. Fixed. Thanks!

]]> By: Brian E http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/06/03/ouch-the-logic-it-burns/#comment-179123 Brian E Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:46:39 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/06/03/ouch-the-logic-it-burns/#comment-179123 But how would god know that there wasn't a higher power existing in a dimension outside of himself that created him and was observing him? Even if god thought that he existed for eternity, that is simply a measurement of a single time dimension, and another dimension of time or some other unknown boundary could contain the time dimension and thus god would not be eternal to that dimension! Thus god <i>could </i>have faith in a being higher than himself! Now my head really hurts... But how would god know that there wasn’t a higher power existing in a dimension outside of himself that created him and was observing him? Even if god thought that he existed for eternity, that is simply a measurement of a single time dimension, and another dimension of time or some other unknown boundary could contain the time dimension and thus god would not be eternal to that dimension! Thus god could have faith in a being higher than himself!

Now my head really hurts…

]]> By: James http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/06/03/ouch-the-logic-it-burns/#comment-179086 James Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:30:27 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/06/03/ouch-the-logic-it-burns/#comment-179086 One minor point: Shannon Wheeler is, in spite of his name, a man. One minor point: Shannon Wheeler is, in spite of his name, a man.

]]> By: NYCatheist http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/06/03/ouch-the-logic-it-burns/#comment-178667 NYCatheist Wed, 04 Jun 2008 02:17:51 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/06/03/ouch-the-logic-it-burns/#comment-178667 Wait, if God can't have faith, then he can't do anything. But if he can have faith, he can't know everything. Agh, it's the old rock-too-heavy-He-can't-lift-it thing! Wait, if God can’t have faith, then he can’t do anything. But if he can have faith, he can’t know everything. Agh, it’s the old rock-too-heavy-He-can’t-lift-it thing!

]]> By: Darryl http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/06/03/ouch-the-logic-it-burns/#comment-178594 Darryl Wed, 04 Jun 2008 00:21:49 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/06/03/ouch-the-logic-it-burns/#comment-178594 Not so fast, buckaroo. Since God can do all things, He must be able to believe in Himself--a power higher than all others. Since God is not real, He is not a fact. Since God believes in a higher power that is not a fact, God is a theist. Not so fast, buckaroo.

Since God can do all things, He must be able to believe in Himself–a power higher than all others.

Since God is not real, He is not a fact.

Since God believes in a higher power that is not a fact, God is a theist.

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