Which Secret Will the Person Tell?

In their (likely) very narrow worldview, I’d say they protest being an Atheist….they can (with time) likely get over voting for a black christian.

My mother, who I have mentioned before is an Evangelical Fundie, is not troubled that I am voting for Obama. She has gotten use to me, over the years, of looking in a person’s heart, so to speak, rather than what is on the outside. In fact, I think I convinced her to vote for Obama. Now, if I told her I was a non-theist, she’d go insane. Shoot! She went insane just hearing what I had to say about Bishop Spong and screamed into the phone, “THAT IS NOT CHRISTIAN!” Then I got the inquisition. So, I don’t dare tell her what I don’t believe.

The sad thing is, she thinks she knows me, but she hasn’t gotten to actually know me. sigh. Maybe getting to know my political views is one step in that direction though. Who knows.

Hey, that secret could have been submitted by me. It wasn’t, but it could have been.

they can (with time) likely get over voting for a black christian.

It’s probably that he’s Democrat, not that he’s black. Fundamentalist Christians tend to tie the Republican party platform to God’s Will.

My parents both know I’m voting for Obama as I’ve made no attempt to hide it. My Dad couldn’t really understand it because he just discovered the internet and thinks that everything you read on there is true, especially the parts about Obama being a Muslim. I sorta convinced him that part isn’t true, but I still think he’s skeptical.

Neither parent knows that I’m an atheist although I did manage to work up the courage to put the scarlet A on my blog this week. I don’t think my Dad would care, but my mom might.

If I told my parents I was voting for McCain they’d look at me funny. Only my brother in all of my side of the family is voting for McBush and that’s because of his darn wife who got him to become a devoted xian.

Naivite: I really don’t understand how these two things could be on par with one another.

A more interesting question: would parents find being not straight or not Christian worse/more shocking/more problematic?

I would have a much easier time telling my mother that I’m voting for Obama (IFF Nader isn’t on the ballot), than ever telling her I don’t believe in god.

My mother still hangs on to the claim that Obama is a Muslim. (My wife occasionally expresses doubt about his loyalty to the USA because she suspects he still might be)
When I bring up those last 20 years in a xian church, my mother says, “have you heard what his rev. Wright said about America?”
me: So?

Nick said,

June 10, 2008 at 6:19 am

A friend’s girlfriend has a Lutheran minister for a father. When she mentioned that she was considering voting for Obama, he flipped out — apparently he thouoght that Obama coming into power was one of the signs of the apocalypse and that she was NOT allowed to vote for him.

Doesn’t she know once she gets into that voting booth no one has control of who she votes for? My grandfather tried to tell me who to vote for when I was 18. I told him, “Thank you for your advice, but when I get into that voting booth, I will vote who I want.” He was irrate, but when I got into that voting booth, I didn’t vote for Reagan. I voted for who I wanted to vote for and she can do the same thing. No one is allowed to stand there and force her hand, because that is illegal. If she wants to vote for Obama, she should once she gets into that voting booth.

(My wife occasionally expresses doubt about his loyalty to the USA because she suspects he still might be)

Your wife doesn’t think Muslims can be loyal to America?

So I’ve apparently got her ear when it comes to politics but not when it comes to religion. Weird.

Or maybe the Repulicans have been so dishonest, greedy, and inept she finally stopped voting for them. Not to discount your influence . . .

For all those who think Obama is such a dramatic departure from Bush,
I won’t say anything except to point you to this editorial.

@HappyNat,

Your wife doesn’t think Muslims can be loyal to America?

Remember, a muslim as president. I think it’s just general suspicion that he’d favor Islam in the country – as the current prez. favors “faith” based programs.
Also, there’s a pretty firm view in this country that Xian extremism represents the fringe, but Islamic extremism represents Muslims in general.

the Repub agenda is anti-Christian. Jesus said his followers should look after the poor, yet the Repub agenda is all about corporations. And he also thinks it is ironic that a lot of Christians have environmentalism, even though they think that they have a duty to preserve God’s creation, but instead support a party that pushes policies that favor corporations over people.

No! It can’t be!!!

I think Obama is secretly an atheist. No one can think outside the box like this, have this much tolerance and global thought, CARE about the future of our planet 9 a very non christian thing to do in my opinion) and believe in God. Thoughts?

I think Mike C. would fit this description, but he’s no atheist.

For all those who think Obama is such a dramatic departure from Bush,
I won’t say anything except to point you to this editorial.

Polly, there is no question that Obama is a dramatic departure from Bush, but that’s a separate issue from how in hell Barack is going to clean up the mess that we have made in the Middle East. He can’t do it (if he can do it) by himself. If the Congress and, more importantly, our people are not behind him, nothing will change.

WARNING: Darryl is going to vent now. If you’re not into politics or unpleasant realities, then stop reading now.

Every day I see decisions being made by our government that deflate my hope for a turn-around in the country. I think we’re at a place where we’re so far down this road that to turn around, if that’s even possible anymore, will involve great suffering. The fault is with us–as it always has been. In the face of rampant corruption, and apathy, and downright stupidity, I’m dubious about whether a enough Americans have those qualities necessary to preserve a Constitutional Republic.

The pulpits of America ought to have enough talking points to last from now to Kingdom come by just naming the sins of our people, and the errors of our way, but where are they? They have become salesmen, like Joel Osteen, selling good feelings, telling us what we want to hear–that we’re good and we’re going to be okay.

Where are the prophets? You know, those preachers that risk everything by naming names and crimes. The preachers we do hear about are decrying the teaching of evolution in our schools, or licking their lips over the prospect of filling the Supreme Court with judges who will overturn Roe vs. Wade, except–except for the Rev. Wrights who do point the finger at us, but not without discrediting themselves in the process. If we’re supposed to be such a religious nation, where in hell are the preachers? They’ve been bought off just like everybody else. Do we really expect the Ralph Reeds and Tony Perkins of this country to save us? What a joke.

Where are the Dr. King’s when we need them? Where are the preachers that risk something for the truth, and have nothing to gain by it? Here’s another way that the conservatives are not Christian: Jesus stored up his wrath and his most piercing rhetoric for the hypocrites that paraded themselves as the eminently faithful. I hear more Jesus out of Bill Moyers and Amy Goodman than from the pulpits of the televangelists. Maybe there’s a few out there, somewhere, that just haven’t come to my attention. I suppose it’s up to them now, since government and the press have taken a walk.

What irony it is that only preachers are expected to be truthful about sin, but the ones we hear from are usually stupid, and the rest are silent or unheard. The true preachers don’t come attired like priests. Like Bill Moyers, they are assumed to be partisan schemers, the Left’s answer to those morons on the far Right. What a sorry country we have become when it’s up to the myth-makers to save us, and even they are failing us!

Kierkegaard is vindicated.

We’ve made a mockery of our politics. We’ve nominated the less-qualified to be our President–AGAIN!. Why? Because it’s entertaining. It’s a horse race. What fun! And, because we’re cynical about politics. It’s only about power now.

Nietzsche is vindicated.

For all his qualities Obama has been a U.S. Senator for only 2 years. He only came to National attention 4 years ago. But, he seems to be the only choice for liberals. I am fucking astounded that McCain is even competitive in this election. Considering the state we’re in, how in hell does a Republican even have a prayer? I don’t fool myself–McCain could win in November. That’s how screwed up we are.

Please forgive me, my people, but I have nothing but utter disgust for Americans now, which is to say “mea culpa.” Don’t get me wrong, I’m too much the optimist to lose hope; it’s just that my hope is not with America any more. We’ve failed. We’ve failed ourselves and the rest of the world. If we’re going to be saved, it will come from elsewhere, not here.

A friend’s girlfriend has a Lutheran minister for a father. When she mentioned that she was considering voting for Obama, he flipped out —apparently he thought that Obama coming into power was one of the signs of the apocalypse and that she was NOT allowed to vote for him.

So this preacher is attempting to thwart God’s preordained plan? Who the fuck does he think he is?

So this preacher is attempting to thwart God’s preordained plan? Who the fuck does he think he is?

You can want the apocalypse to come all you want, but if you help it along, you’re an agent of Satan and bound for Hell.

Or something.