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	<title>Comments on: How To Lose a Debate</title>
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		<title>By: martymankins</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/07/04/how-to-lose-a-debate/#comment-198821</link>
		<dc:creator>martymankins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wishing I could see this debate.  Always poetic justice to see these religionists try to prove their point.

Now watching other Dan Barker debates on YouTube</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wishing I could see this debate.  Always poetic justice to see these religionists try to prove their point.</p>
<p>Now watching other Dan Barker debates on YouTube</p>
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		<title>By: Metro</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/07/04/how-to-lose-a-debate/#comment-197876</link>
		<dc:creator>Metro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Trevor and John Morales:
Wow--Poe&#039;s Law and the Special Pleading Case of Godwin&#039;s Law* in the same post.

*Sooner or later, in any discussion with an atheist, the Christian will claim that Hitler was an atheist, despite historical evidence to the contrary. Thus the atheist will be associated with Hitler, a clear case of Godwin&#039;s Law.

This also applies if the Xian employs Stalin or Pol Pot as the stalking-horse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Trevor and John Morales:<br />
Wow&#8211;Poe&#8217;s Law and the Special Pleading Case of Godwin&#8217;s Law* in the same post.</p>
<p>*Sooner or later, in any discussion with an atheist, the Christian will claim that Hitler was an atheist, despite historical evidence to the contrary. Thus the atheist will be associated with Hitler, a clear case of Godwin&#8217;s Law.</p>
<p>This also applies if the Xian employs Stalin or Pol Pot as the stalking-horse.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike aka MonolithTMA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike aka MonolithTMA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 03:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watches do not exist. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watches do not exist. <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: cipher</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/07/04/how-to-lose-a-debate/#comment-196718</link>
		<dc:creator>cipher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 22:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Christian apologetics isn’t really a defense of the faith, aimed at unbelievers, it’s a comfort for the fears and doubts of Christians themselves–this is why it doesn’t require logical argumentation, or any kind of evidence, or fair tactics.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Darryl,

Absolutely spot-on. I&#039;ve said this here before - one of the early 20th century British authors said something along the lines of, &quot;Proselytizing is the outward manifestation of an insecure faith&quot;. I&#039;ve believed this all of my adult life. If the missionary can convince you he&#039;s right, then, he figures, he must actually &lt;em&gt;be &lt;/em&gt;right, and he can stave off for while longer the ever-present doubt that threatens to overtake him.

Addicts, the lot of them. I should be more compassionate, but I just can&#039;t find it in myself any longer. I&#039;m thoroughly sick of them. I wish the fucking Rapture &lt;em&gt;would &lt;/em&gt;happen already, so that they&#039;d all just go away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Christian apologetics isn’t really a defense of the faith, aimed at unbelievers, it’s a comfort for the fears and doubts of Christians themselves–this is why it doesn’t require logical argumentation, or any kind of evidence, or fair tactics.</p></blockquote>
<p>Darryl,</p>
<p>Absolutely spot-on. I&#8217;ve said this here before &#8211; one of the early 20th century British authors said something along the lines of, &#8220;Proselytizing is the outward manifestation of an insecure faith&#8221;. I&#8217;ve believed this all of my adult life. If the missionary can convince you he&#8217;s right, then, he figures, he must actually <em>be </em>right, and he can stave off for while longer the ever-present doubt that threatens to overtake him.</p>
<p>Addicts, the lot of them. I should be more compassionate, but I just can&#8217;t find it in myself any longer. I&#8217;m thoroughly sick of them. I wish the fucking Rapture <em>would </em>happen already, so that they&#8217;d all just go away.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake Meador</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/07/04/how-to-lose-a-debate/#comment-196534</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake Meador</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 16:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, the Christian guy is a dude from Way of the Master. I think he has a show on Way of the Master radio, actually...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the Christian guy is a dude from Way of the Master. I think he has a show on Way of the Master radio, actually&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/07/04/how-to-lose-a-debate/#comment-196385</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 10:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A transcript of Dan Barker&#039;s most eminent performance can be read here: http://www.flamewarrior.com/barker_interview.htm

It is long, but man, is it an enjoyment to read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A transcript of Dan Barker&#8217;s most eminent performance can be read here: <a href="http://www.flamewarrior.com/barker_interview.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.flamewarrior.com/barker_interview.htm</a></p>
<p>It is long, but man, is it an enjoyment to read.</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 03:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;. . . arguments supporting an atheistic position don’t provide any comfort for the atheist.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Good point.  We really have nothing to gain for ourselves.  We do have things to lose, like the consequences of the dumb decisions of true-believing leaders like Bush, and bad legislation that hurts people, like anti-gay laws, and Christians who believe that conservatism is Biblical and hence that Global Warming is a conspiracy (because liberals believe it), and evolution is of the devil, etc.  But, we don&#039;t lose for ourselves; we all lose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>. . . arguments supporting an atheistic position don’t provide any comfort for the atheist.</p></blockquote>
<p>Good point.  We really have nothing to gain for ourselves.  We do have things to lose, like the consequences of the dumb decisions of true-believing leaders like Bush, and bad legislation that hurts people, like anti-gay laws, and Christians who believe that conservatism is Biblical and hence that Global Warming is a conspiracy (because liberals believe it), and evolution is of the devil, etc.  But, we don&#8217;t lose for ourselves; we all lose.</p>
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		<title>By: John Morales</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/07/04/how-to-lose-a-debate/#comment-196158</link>
		<dc:creator>John Morales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 01:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poe&#039;s Law.

Sure it&#039;s not a parody?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poe&#8217;s Law.</p>
<p>Sure it&#8217;s not a parody?</p>
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		<title>By: NYCatheist</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/07/04/how-to-lose-a-debate/#comment-196024</link>
		<dc:creator>NYCatheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BrianM,

Yeah, I sometimes get that message in the feed window, and sometimes even at a blog, but when I click through to YouTube directly it is actually still available. Probably some glitch in the embedding process.

Darryl,

Great point. On the other side, arguments supporting an atheistic position don&#039;t provide any comfort for the atheist. But I suppose a Christian would reply that they actually do, since they allow us atheists to keep on enjoying our delicious sin. Mmmmm sin.... (Insert eye-rolling emoticon here)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BrianM,</p>
<p>Yeah, I sometimes get that message in the feed window, and sometimes even at a blog, but when I click through to YouTube directly it is actually still available. Probably some glitch in the embedding process.</p>
<p>Darryl,</p>
<p>Great point. On the other side, arguments supporting an atheistic position don&#8217;t provide any comfort for the atheist. But I suppose a Christian would reply that they actually do, since they allow us atheists to keep on enjoying our delicious sin. Mmmmm sin&#8230;. (Insert eye-rolling emoticon here)</p>
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		<title>By: GDad</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/07/04/how-to-lose-a-debate/#comment-195993</link>
		<dc:creator>GDad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m reminded of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eonline.com/on/shows/thesoup/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Soup&lt;/a&gt;, except not funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m reminded of <a href="http://www.eonline.com/on/shows/thesoup/" rel="nofollow">The Soup</a>, except not funny.</p>
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