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		<title>By: bullet</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/07/07/it-happened-for-a-reason/#comment-202017</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll admit that I had a hard time wrapping my head around the randomness of the universe at first.  It clicked into place while I was watching the Clint Eastwood movie, &lt;i&gt;Unforgiven&lt;/i&gt;.  Little Bill says to Bill Munny, &quot;I don&#039;t deserve this.&quot;  Munny replies, &quot;Deserve&#039;s got nothin to do with it.&quot;

CLICK!  I don&#039;t know why.  It just made perfect sense.

Later on, I heard a physicist say at a lecture, &quot;Either everything is predetermined, in which case there&#039;s absolutely nothing we can do about it, or everything is random, in which case there&#039;s absolutely nothing we can do about it.&quot;

Felt good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll admit that I had a hard time wrapping my head around the randomness of the universe at first.  It clicked into place while I was watching the Clint Eastwood movie, <i>Unforgiven</i>.  Little Bill says to Bill Munny, &#8220;I don&#8217;t deserve this.&#8221;  Munny replies, &#8220;Deserve&#8217;s got nothin to do with it.&#8221;</p>
<p>CLICK!  I don&#8217;t know why.  It just made perfect sense.</p>
<p>Later on, I heard a physicist say at a lecture, &#8220;Either everything is predetermined, in which case there&#8217;s absolutely nothing we can do about it, or everything is random, in which case there&#8217;s absolutely nothing we can do about it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Felt good.</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 03:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Butch, good story.  A friend once told me &quot;the greatest act of humility is to die alone,&quot; but that&#039;s when you choose and not the snake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Butch, good story.  A friend once told me &#8220;the greatest act of humility is to die alone,&#8221; but that&#8217;s when you choose and not the snake.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna N.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 00:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It always infuriates me when people say that kind of thing, because they usually say that when, oh, another temp job fell through so I&#039;m unemployed again, or a friend decided not to do whatever-it-was we&#039;d planned to spend the weekend doing...they&#039;re trying to be comforting, but it really makes me want to scream.

No, I didn&#039;t lose the temp job because something better is coming along, but thanks for telling me that it&#039;s &quot;for the best&quot; that I&#039;m now jobless! I really, really appreciate it!

My favorite (more sarcasm) was reading a friend&#039;s blog post once about how everything had to have happened just perfectly in order for her to meet her SO and it was just fate! Now, I think it&#039;s great that the two of them met, I really do, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s worth someone dying (which was on her list) or her having been in an abusive relationship (also on the list) or...I really REALLY wanted to reply to that post and ask if that person truly had to die just so she could meet him? How selfish of her...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It always infuriates me when people say that kind of thing, because they usually say that when, oh, another temp job fell through so I&#8217;m unemployed again, or a friend decided not to do whatever-it-was we&#8217;d planned to spend the weekend doing&#8230;they&#8217;re trying to be comforting, but it really makes me want to scream.</p>
<p>No, I didn&#8217;t lose the temp job because something better is coming along, but thanks for telling me that it&#8217;s &#8220;for the best&#8221; that I&#8217;m now jobless! I really, really appreciate it!</p>
<p>My favorite (more sarcasm) was reading a friend&#8217;s blog post once about how everything had to have happened just perfectly in order for her to meet her SO and it was just fate! Now, I think it&#8217;s great that the two of them met, I really do, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s worth someone dying (which was on her list) or her having been in an abusive relationship (also on the list) or&#8230;I really REALLY wanted to reply to that post and ask if that person truly had to die just so she could meet him? How selfish of her&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 23:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I prefer &quot;It had to happen to somebody...&quot;

Because the kind of thinking in the OP is backwards. Things didn&#039;t happen to become what they are now; things became what they are now because things happened that led to now, and the things happening now will lead to other things. The past is not a series of means to an end, because the present is not an end.

I also like the Anthropic Principle: that the universe has all these amazing coincidences of physical constants that happen to be just right to create the universe we see...because if it didn&#039;t, we wouldn&#039;t be here to observe it. Some call that a cop-out, but there&#039;s a kind of poetry to it that appeals to me. With regards to how everything amazingly came together to make you the person you are now, well yeah of course it did, because otherwise other things would have happened, and no matter what it was you&#039;d still comfort yourself (if you had a hard life) or take pride in the fact (if you had a good life) that you wouldn&#039;t be who you are if those things hadn&#039;t happened.

So...I think I said that right...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefer &#8220;It had to happen to somebody&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Because the kind of thinking in the OP is backwards. Things didn&#8217;t happen to become what they are now; things became what they are now because things happened that led to now, and the things happening now will lead to other things. The past is not a series of means to an end, because the present is not an end.</p>
<p>I also like the Anthropic Principle: that the universe has all these amazing coincidences of physical constants that happen to be just right to create the universe we see&#8230;because if it didn&#8217;t, we wouldn&#8217;t be here to observe it. Some call that a cop-out, but there&#8217;s a kind of poetry to it that appeals to me. With regards to how everything amazingly came together to make you the person you are now, well yeah of course it did, because otherwise other things would have happened, and no matter what it was you&#8217;d still comfort yourself (if you had a hard life) or take pride in the fact (if you had a good life) that you wouldn&#8217;t be who you are if those things hadn&#8217;t happened.</p>
<p>So&#8230;I think I said that right&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Polly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Polly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So much seems to have lined up in the right way to bring me to atheism.
I often feel that my journey to, and now through, atheism is being directed by god. I know HE has a plan for me and it includes denying his existence for the rest of my life.

My god is like the CIA. You know he&#039;s there, because you don&#039;t. 

:-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much seems to have lined up in the right way to bring me to atheism.<br />
I often feel that my journey to, and now through, atheism is being directed by god. I know HE has a plan for me and it includes denying his existence for the rest of my life.</p>
<p>My god is like the CIA. You know he&#8217;s there, because you don&#8217;t. </p>
<p> <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Larry Huffman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Huffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 19:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan...I would also put forward that...had there been ANY puppy in need that you picked up, you would have that feeling. 

Every dog I have ever owned gave me a feeling as though it was &#039;meant to be&#039;...until I realized that, in fact, every dog I have ever owned gave me that meant to be feeling. Get my point? If everything that happens is &#039;meant to be&#039; then what is the point of stating it? 

I think in some situations it is easy to impose that thought. A dog, for example. When you own a dog, there is a uniqueness to it. It feels meant to be...especially if you rescued the dog. The truth is, dogs are so adaptable, and in need of human care, that they make us all feel like them being in our lives just had to be. But had you picked Dog B instead of Dog A...then Dog B would be the one that was &#039;meant to be&#039;.

Soon...when everything seems &#039;meant to be&#039; you realize that it all cancels each other out, and it just is. Maybe a good arrangement...maybe one you value...maybe special to you and one you will always cherish...but it was not meant to be. It did not have to be though...and was not meant to be. It just is.

Another aspect of this is the ones that were not. You are walking out of the grocery store and see a box of kittens being given away. You are tempted, but choose not to. had you, that kitten would have been your friend...and surly meant to be. but wait...you didn;t get him...hmmm...it wasn;t meant to be? lol...no, it just was not. And had you made the choice to get it, you would ahve had a feeling as if it was meant to be.

It is really just our internal confirmation system letting us know a situation is good...and our superstitious side expressing it in terms that make us feel special about it.

PS...It&#039;s a wonderful life was a movie...and it only explored the example in terms of what the story wanted to tell. If you were to make a careful scientific study of the situation you would realize that it was mularky. I will give one quick example: In the story an entire plane full of soldiers died because his brother was not alive to save them. Well...hehe...if he was not alive, the military would have had someone else doing whatever job he was...and so another would have been in the right place at the right time to save them...maybe. The movie was full of assinine assumptions...as if there were only two possible outcomes of him being there or not. As you can imagine, it is not so simple...and when you look at the way everything would have filled in around his non-existence, you see nothing is meant to be...it just is...and the movie, while terribly warm hearted and fun to watch (yes, I like the movie...but it is a movie, not life)...is in no way a serious commentary on the repurcussions of someone not being alive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan&#8230;I would also put forward that&#8230;had there been ANY puppy in need that you picked up, you would have that feeling. </p>
<p>Every dog I have ever owned gave me a feeling as though it was &#8216;meant to be&#8217;&#8230;until I realized that, in fact, every dog I have ever owned gave me that meant to be feeling. Get my point? If everything that happens is &#8216;meant to be&#8217; then what is the point of stating it? </p>
<p>I think in some situations it is easy to impose that thought. A dog, for example. When you own a dog, there is a uniqueness to it. It feels meant to be&#8230;especially if you rescued the dog. The truth is, dogs are so adaptable, and in need of human care, that they make us all feel like them being in our lives just had to be. But had you picked Dog B instead of Dog A&#8230;then Dog B would be the one that was &#8216;meant to be&#8217;.</p>
<p>Soon&#8230;when everything seems &#8216;meant to be&#8217; you realize that it all cancels each other out, and it just is. Maybe a good arrangement&#8230;maybe one you value&#8230;maybe special to you and one you will always cherish&#8230;but it was not meant to be. It did not have to be though&#8230;and was not meant to be. It just is.</p>
<p>Another aspect of this is the ones that were not. You are walking out of the grocery store and see a box of kittens being given away. You are tempted, but choose not to. had you, that kitten would have been your friend&#8230;and surly meant to be. but wait&#8230;you didn;t get him&#8230;hmmm&#8230;it wasn;t meant to be? lol&#8230;no, it just was not. And had you made the choice to get it, you would ahve had a feeling as if it was meant to be.</p>
<p>It is really just our internal confirmation system letting us know a situation is good&#8230;and our superstitious side expressing it in terms that make us feel special about it.</p>
<p>PS&#8230;It&#8217;s a wonderful life was a movie&#8230;and it only explored the example in terms of what the story wanted to tell. If you were to make a careful scientific study of the situation you would realize that it was mularky. I will give one quick example: In the story an entire plane full of soldiers died because his brother was not alive to save them. Well&#8230;hehe&#8230;if he was not alive, the military would have had someone else doing whatever job he was&#8230;and so another would have been in the right place at the right time to save them&#8230;maybe. The movie was full of assinine assumptions&#8230;as if there were only two possible outcomes of him being there or not. As you can imagine, it is not so simple&#8230;and when you look at the way everything would have filled in around his non-existence, you see nothing is meant to be&#8230;it just is&#8230;and the movie, while terribly warm hearted and fun to watch (yes, I like the movie&#8230;but it is a movie, not life)&#8230;is in no way a serious commentary on the repurcussions of someone not being alive.</p>
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		<title>By: Butch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Butch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 18:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. This was the single biggest shock for me when I de-converted from evangelical Christianity.  Scary as hell (no pun intended).  I remember exactly when it hit me.  I am a forester and was working in the middle of the Mississippi summer about 3 miles from my truck.  I had waded through three feet of swamp and it had taken me about 4 hours to get where I was.  I had seen a lot of snakes around, like you do when you’re in the MS swamps when it struck me that if were to get bitten out here alone there is no way I could get out to my truck in time.  If I step in the wrong place I could die – and it wouldn’t matter one bit to the cosmos.  It wouldn’t be “for the best” or part of a “perfect plan.”  It would just be a shity piece of bad luck and a short end to my life.  Tough break.  

I sat on a stump for a while after that absorbing the enormity of it.  Does it mean I don’t have the automatic comfort I used to?  Sure, but I’d rather have the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. This was the single biggest shock for me when I de-converted from evangelical Christianity.  Scary as hell (no pun intended).  I remember exactly when it hit me.  I am a forester and was working in the middle of the Mississippi summer about 3 miles from my truck.  I had waded through three feet of swamp and it had taken me about 4 hours to get where I was.  I had seen a lot of snakes around, like you do when you’re in the MS swamps when it struck me that if were to get bitten out here alone there is no way I could get out to my truck in time.  If I step in the wrong place I could die – and it wouldn’t matter one bit to the cosmos.  It wouldn’t be “for the best” or part of a “perfect plan.”  It would just be a shity piece of bad luck and a short end to my life.  Tough break.  </p>
<p>I sat on a stump for a while after that absorbing the enormity of it.  Does it mean I don’t have the automatic comfort I used to?  Sure, but I’d rather have the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So the reason why you met your puppy is that you stopped for gas. I think there is nothing more to that. We could colloquially say you were lucky (whitout starting a discussion about Luck vs. Fate vs. Reason) but to me the reason why things happen is essentially cause-effect driven.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Arnold,
I understand  your point.  There is the logical part of me which says that&#039;s all there is to it.  But it is intriguing to me to think about what would have happened in so many instances if I had or had not done something.  Kind of like &quot;It&#039;s a Wonderful Life.&quot;  Just because James Stewart didn&#039;t marry Donna Reed doesn&#039;t mean she turned into a bitter old woman, but I think you can see why it&#039;s something to ponder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So the reason why you met your puppy is that you stopped for gas. I think there is nothing more to that. We could colloquially say you were lucky (whitout starting a discussion about Luck vs. Fate vs. Reason) but to me the reason why things happen is essentially cause-effect driven.</p></blockquote>
<p>Arnold,<br />
I understand  your point.  There is the logical part of me which says that&#8217;s all there is to it.  But it is intriguing to me to think about what would have happened in so many instances if I had or had not done something.  Kind of like &#8220;It&#8217;s a Wonderful Life.&#8221;  Just because James Stewart didn&#8217;t marry Donna Reed doesn&#8217;t mean she turned into a bitter old woman, but I think you can see why it&#8217;s something to ponder.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie,
I am so pleased to hear that your little boy is doing well.  My thoughts and best wisehs to you that he will continue to thrive.
Susan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie,<br />
I am so pleased to hear that your little boy is doing well.  My thoughts and best wisehs to you that he will continue to thrive.<br />
Susan</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One practical benefit of not believing that everything that happens happens for a reason is that one doesn&#039;t have to rack one&#039;s brains trying to understand the reason.  This is especially important when a bad thing has happened.  One can become self-deprecating (it&#039;s my own fault; I must have done something wrong), superstitious (the Devil is harassing me; God is testing me), or a God-hater:  God took my wife and child--I hate him.  Mark Twain became quite bitter when his family was taken from him.  He railed against God.  I don&#039;t know; was he really mad at a God he believed in, or was he just mad at life and took it out on the God idea?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One practical benefit of not believing that everything that happens happens for a reason is that one doesn&#8217;t have to rack one&#8217;s brains trying to understand the reason.  This is especially important when a bad thing has happened.  One can become self-deprecating (it&#8217;s my own fault; I must have done something wrong), superstitious (the Devil is harassing me; God is testing me), or a God-hater:  God took my wife and child&#8211;I hate him.  Mark Twain became quite bitter when his family was taken from him.  He railed against God.  I don&#8217;t know; was he really mad at a God he believed in, or was he just mad at life and took it out on the God idea?</p>
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