I don’t understand. You don’t approve of fundamentalism – but you admire the Pipers?

1. Dobson discovered, after he made his pompous declaration about not supporting McCain, that NOBODY GAVE A DAMN! He’s not used to being ignored. So, he’s back making declarations; trying to be relevant. What a sad piece of shit.

2. One more demonstration that when push comes to shove Republicans will sacrifice principle for power (except real conservatives who’ve been sidelined by the Bush administration).

Fundamentalism is so out right now.

‘specially this part:

I mean, I look at organized Christianity in this country — not just the religious right, but some more “moderate” churches as well — interfering with AIDS prevention efforts, trying to get their theology into the public schools, actively trying to prevent me and Ingrid from getting legally married, and pulling all the other shit I talk about in this piece.

And I look at atheists sometimes being mean-spirited and snarky in blogs and books and magazines.

And I think, Can we please have some goddamn perspective?

I know that there are conservative atheists; however, American conservatives have so actively embraced the conservative Christians as to drive conservative atheists underground.

You have to be kidding, right? So you want a site that ignores politics in today’s world, with respect to atheism and rleigion? You are delusional. Today’s religious politics are precisely what is pulling more and more atheists out of the closet. You must not be paying much attention. Atheists are coming out all over because of the right wing fantical level of incorporating religion and politics. Yes, the left has it’s religious people too…whackos by some definitions…but the difference is, most of these people will not want to tell others what to be. Most (not all) leftist religious types at least try to be politically tolerant, as that is the platform.

But…you are not going to get your wish…nor should you. If you want to bury your head in the sand and avoid politics, go for it. For far to many atheists today, that is where the rubber meets the road. And there will be more and more wanting to disucss those injustices and places where we need to reform.

Atheism is fairly private. We do not have an agenda…we do not have an organization…we do not have common or collective goals. We are not even all anti-religous atheists. Some have never read the bible…or the koran…and so they do not want to discuss anything at all. When religion begins to gain too much footing…it is a politcal factor…is when you will find us coming together, however loosely, in order to prevent such actions. Politics is precisely what has driven atheists into the open…and what will continue to do so. Politics is what has brought about some organizations that are doing a wonderful job of being a watch-dog to our freedoms.

So…I am thinking that you will continually be disappointed. I moderated a debate group that focussed on the religious and doctrinal sides of this…christian or islam v. atheism mostly. It was meant to be a discussion about their doctrine and our response to it…or the converse, our science oriented views and their answer to it. No matter what we did, we could not prevent current event/political discussion. It is too much of a hot button for atheists wanting to get active. And you also have to figure…just because you have heard it all, that does not mean that those participating have…they still may be venturing out publically for the first time. That shold be encouraged, not put down.

And why do I think you should not get your wish?…because it is a hot button for atheists to come out everywhere…and that is good. It will continue. Sorry…and being upset at atheists because we find ourselves mired in constant political debate is rather irrational anyway. Do you not think we would all rather just be given full rights and allowed to go be who we are without contention? Of course…and that is why you will seldom be able to seperate the politics from the religion. They are far to intertwined.

And finally…this site is specifically for this type of content. I do not know what site you think you are on, but this has always been a current event/political/social as well as doctrinal atheist site. Go find a hard-core doctrinal site…but as I explained, I ran one of those for a while and found that they all still had a lot on their mind politically.

In fact he’d be considerably happier, because the one thing people like Dobson really hate about democracy is that it shows their Moral Majority to be a hollow shell of talking points wrapped around a core of fundamentalism, cotton, sand, and squirrel $#17. What they desire above all is that everyone else should be forced to treat their views as holy.