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	<title>Comments on: Humanist Chaplains in the Military?</title>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/07/28/humanist-chaplains-in-the-military/#comment-762817</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a chaplain in the USAF Reserves although I serve active duty. Even though I am a Christian chaplain I will (and have) encourage atheist, agnostic, and humanist individuals in their own belief systems. Two weeks ago and then again on Monday I had an two different agnostic individuals in a counseling session and encouraged and counseled them in the situation they were in. Last week I worked with an atheist individual with some of the theistic language used in the military. I don&#039;t agree with their &quot;theology&quot; or thoughts but as a chaplain I am very much an encourager of freedom of religion (even if includes a lack of belief in a deity) and respect the diversity allowed in the military.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a chaplain in the USAF Reserves although I serve active duty. Even though I am a Christian chaplain I will (and have) encourage atheist, agnostic, and humanist individuals in their own belief systems. Two weeks ago and then again on Monday I had an two different agnostic individuals in a counseling session and encouraged and counseled them in the situation they were in. Last week I worked with an atheist individual with some of the theistic language used in the military. I don&#8217;t agree with their &#8220;theology&#8221; or thoughts but as a chaplain I am very much an encourager of freedom of religion (even if includes a lack of belief in a deity) and respect the diversity allowed in the military.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/07/28/humanist-chaplains-in-the-military/#comment-634484</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 19:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay,

So I am a Unitarian Universalist and an Army Chaplain and a Humanist.  Yes, the UU requirement for education and endorsement if one of the highest.  I would not have it any other way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay,</p>
<p>So I am a Unitarian Universalist and an Army Chaplain and a Humanist.  Yes, the UU requirement for education and endorsement if one of the highest.  I would not have it any other way.</p>
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		<title>By: Erp</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/07/28/humanist-chaplains-in-the-military/#comment-628952</link>
		<dc:creator>Erp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 02:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well this thread is about 2.5 years old so I&#039;m not sure anyone else will answer; however, at this time probably the easiest route for a humanist (as opposed to a Humanist) chaplain would be via the Unitarian Universalist Association since they are already a recognized endorsing agency.  You aren&#039;t going to escape the educational requirement. If anything the UUA requirements are probably a lot stricter than some of the evangelical Christian endorsers.   A Humanist group if one were to become an endorser would likely have similar educational requirements though with a heavier required emphasis on humanist thought.

According to their web page you need a Masters of Divinity from an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.uua.org/leaders/leadership/ministerialcredentialing/15636.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;approved school&lt;/a&gt;
(Certainly the first two and probably all are approved schools).  However your best bet might be finding a UU military chaplain (or regular UU minister) and talking to them about the ins and outs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well this thread is about 2.5 years old so I&#8217;m not sure anyone else will answer; however, at this time probably the easiest route for a humanist (as opposed to a Humanist) chaplain would be via the Unitarian Universalist Association since they are already a recognized endorsing agency.  You aren&#8217;t going to escape the educational requirement. If anything the UUA requirements are probably a lot stricter than some of the evangelical Christian endorsers.   A Humanist group if one were to become an endorser would likely have similar educational requirements though with a heavier required emphasis on humanist thought.</p>
<p>According to their web page you need a Masters of Divinity from an <a href="http://www.uua.org/leaders/leadership/ministerialcredentialing/15636.shtml" rel="nofollow">approved school</a><br />
(Certainly the first two and probably all are approved schools).  However your best bet might be finding a UU military chaplain (or regular UU minister) and talking to them about the ins and outs.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/07/28/humanist-chaplains-in-the-military/#comment-628179</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2011 05:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been seriously considering extending my military service beyond my planned 20 years if I could become a Humanist Chaplain. As ubi dubius already cut and pasted, the issue is a governing body for endorsement and even more important, the educational requirement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been seriously considering extending my military service beyond my planned 20 years if I could become a Humanist Chaplain. As ubi dubius already cut and pasted, the issue is a governing body for endorsement and even more important, the educational requirement.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/07/28/humanist-chaplains-in-the-military/#comment-211974</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This chaplain decides to go bargain shopping in the garbage and finds a box full of pornographic magazines… He went ape shit.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As everyone knows, soldiers can kill and die for their country but street-legal pornography crosses the line.


I can only imagine how little respect this chaplain has for soldiers, and how arrogant he must be to place his prudish morals so high above everyone else&#039;s.  Gobsmacking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This chaplain decides to go bargain shopping in the garbage and finds a box full of pornographic magazines… He went ape shit.</p></blockquote>
<p>As everyone knows, soldiers can kill and die for their country but street-legal pornography crosses the line.</p>
<p>I can only imagine how little respect this chaplain has for soldiers, and how arrogant he must be to place his prudish morals so high above everyone else&#8217;s.  Gobsmacking.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If such a possibility opened up, there&#039;s not a doubt that I would do everything possible to get commissioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If such a possibility opened up, there&#8217;s not a doubt that I would do everything possible to get commissioned.</p>
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		<title>By: ubi dubius</title>
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		<dc:creator>ubi dubius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He was angry somebody threw the porn magazines away?  He wanted the soldier to keep them?  Dispose of them more respectfully?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He was angry somebody threw the porn magazines away?  He wanted the soldier to keep them?  Dispose of them more respectfully?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/07/28/humanist-chaplains-in-the-military/#comment-211872</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;When I was stationed at Scott AFB, there was talk about a Chaplain who breached the confidentiality of an enlisted member who confided that he had lied in his background information about some minor pot smoking as a high school student. What a jerk. Even as a non-chaplain officer I would not have tattled. I would have counseled the person to follow the dictates of their conscience rather than tattling unless it was a crime, not some minor smoking of a joint several years before.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That reminds me of a funny story about that Dbag chaplain I mentioned above.  Even though I was at another battalion at the time, our whole brigade heard about this one.

So our Brigade was packing up to ship out to Kuwait then Iraq.  Basically we were packing and throwing out all the stuff we had accumulated over the past several months of training.  This chaplain decides to go bargain shopping in the garbage and finds a box full of pornographic magazines...  He went ape shit.  He first went around to all the companies trying to catch the person (or persons) who obviously didn&#039;t speak up.  He raised such a stink that the brigade chaplain had to tell him to let it go...  So stupid...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>When I was stationed at Scott AFB, there was talk about a Chaplain who breached the confidentiality of an enlisted member who confided that he had lied in his background information about some minor pot smoking as a high school student. What a jerk. Even as a non-chaplain officer I would not have tattled. I would have counseled the person to follow the dictates of their conscience rather than tattling unless it was a crime, not some minor smoking of a joint several years before.</p></blockquote>
<p>That reminds me of a funny story about that Dbag chaplain I mentioned above.  Even though I was at another battalion at the time, our whole brigade heard about this one.</p>
<p>So our Brigade was packing up to ship out to Kuwait then Iraq.  Basically we were packing and throwing out all the stuff we had accumulated over the past several months of training.  This chaplain decides to go bargain shopping in the garbage and finds a box full of pornographic magazines&#8230;  He went ape shit.  He first went around to all the companies trying to catch the person (or persons) who obviously didn&#8217;t speak up.  He raised such a stink that the brigade chaplain had to tell him to let it go&#8230;  So stupid&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/07/28/humanist-chaplains-in-the-military/#comment-211860</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Why is there a need for humanist chaplains? There are no humanists, atheists, or agnostics in the military, just many thousands practicing “no religious preference” who clearly haven’t heard enough about Jeebus yet.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I get your point, but it says &quot;atheist&quot; on my ID (dog) tags.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Why is there a need for humanist chaplains? There are no humanists, atheists, or agnostics in the military, just many thousands practicing “no religious preference” who clearly haven’t heard enough about Jeebus yet.</p></blockquote>
<p>I get your point, but it says &#8220;atheist&#8221; on my ID (dog) tags.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Lemma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna Lemma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only time I had any direct contact with a military chaplain during my 8 years in the Air Force was when I was going through Officer Training School. We could earn 5 merits to offset demerits by attending a church service on Sundays. I went with my room mate and made sure everyone knew I was there only for the merits. After the service I had fun during the bible study by asking awkward questions the chaplain did not really want to discuss. I was not rude or anything, but attended with the attitude of &quot;You guys really don&#039;t believe in all of this supernatural stuff do you?&quot;. The chaplain decided to give me the 5 merits to not attend his services on Sundays. I could then earn my 5 merits sleeping late on Sundays. It was a win-win solution to both of our problems.

I really think pointing out that they were paying officer trainees with merits to attend his services must have bothered the Chaplain. Perhaps he was one of the good ones and not one of the intolerant ones.

When I was stationed at Scott AFB, there was talk about a Chaplain who breached the confidentiality of an enlisted member who confided that he had lied in his background information about some minor pot smoking as a high school student. What a jerk. Even as a non-chaplain officer I would not have tattled. I would have counseled the person to follow the dictates of their conscience rather than tattling unless it was a crime, not some minor smoking of a joint several years before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only time I had any direct contact with a military chaplain during my 8 years in the Air Force was when I was going through Officer Training School. We could earn 5 merits to offset demerits by attending a church service on Sundays. I went with my room mate and made sure everyone knew I was there only for the merits. After the service I had fun during the bible study by asking awkward questions the chaplain did not really want to discuss. I was not rude or anything, but attended with the attitude of &#8220;You guys really don&#8217;t believe in all of this supernatural stuff do you?&#8221;. The chaplain decided to give me the 5 merits to not attend his services on Sundays. I could then earn my 5 merits sleeping late on Sundays. It was a win-win solution to both of our problems.</p>
<p>I really think pointing out that they were paying officer trainees with merits to attend his services must have bothered the Chaplain. Perhaps he was one of the good ones and not one of the intolerant ones.</p>
<p>When I was stationed at Scott AFB, there was talk about a Chaplain who breached the confidentiality of an enlisted member who confided that he had lied in his background information about some minor pot smoking as a high school student. What a jerk. Even as a non-chaplain officer I would not have tattled. I would have counseled the person to follow the dictates of their conscience rather than tattling unless it was a crime, not some minor smoking of a joint several years before.</p>
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