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	<title>Comments on: Not Religious Anymore but Guilty About Her Sexuality</title>
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		<title>By: AnonyMouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnonyMouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 21:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeeze... I have enough problems convincing myself that I&#039;m bisexual without everyone else bovvering me about it.

It&#039;s not that I don&#039;t have the requisite bisexual tendencies, but I&#039;ve got something in common with our young lady here - by the virtue of my childhood upbringing, I&#039;m still convinced on some level that there is no such thing as a real bisexual or that being bisexual will automatically make me an indiscriminate sex maniac.  Consequentially, I go from &quot;yeah, I&#039;m bi&quot; to &quot;but am I really?&quot; to &quot;WHY AM I BI???!&quot;  It was particularly bad at first, because for me, being straight was the last vestige of religious dignity I had.  (&quot;Okay, I&#039;m an apostate and an atheist and I support civil rights and lie to my parents about my online activities, but I&#039;m still straight!&quot;)  And since I prefer men over women, and am not easily turned on, I find it much too easy to discount the few women who really do it for me and say &quot;well, okay, sure, I&#039;m just a little odd&quot;.

I wouldn&#039;t even dream of telling my parents.  To them, being bisexual is the only thing worse than being lesbian (despite the fact that I can still have relationships with men?); my mother says that they&#039;re &quot;indiscriminate&quot; and my dad says that bisexuals act only on lust.  It&#039;s lies and misinformation all the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeeze&#8230; I have enough problems convincing myself that I&#8217;m bisexual without everyone else bovvering me about it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that I don&#8217;t have the requisite bisexual tendencies, but I&#8217;ve got something in common with our young lady here &#8211; by the virtue of my childhood upbringing, I&#8217;m still convinced on some level that there is no such thing as a real bisexual or that being bisexual will automatically make me an indiscriminate sex maniac.  Consequentially, I go from &#8220;yeah, I&#8217;m bi&#8221; to &#8220;but am I really?&#8221; to &#8220;WHY AM I BI???!&#8221;  It was particularly bad at first, because for me, being straight was the last vestige of religious dignity I had.  (&#8220;Okay, I&#8217;m an apostate and an atheist and I support civil rights and lie to my parents about my online activities, but I&#8217;m still straight!&#8221;)  And since I prefer men over women, and am not easily turned on, I find it much too easy to discount the few women who really do it for me and say &#8220;well, okay, sure, I&#8217;m just a little odd&#8221;.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t even dream of telling my parents.  To them, being bisexual is the only thing worse than being lesbian (despite the fact that I can still have relationships with men?); my mother says that they&#8217;re &#8220;indiscriminate&#8221; and my dad says that bisexuals act only on lust.  It&#8217;s lies and misinformation all the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to offer some words that seem tired and useless, but have helped me more times than anything anyone has ever said to me: you can do it. You just have to stick it out; the human capacity for survival is amazing. Your mind and body know what they want and what they need. Just follow your gut, and don&#039;t let other people discourage you. Just do what you have to do, for however long you need to do it, and something might just come to you.

Also, as for practical advice: as far as the guilt is concerned, that will pass if you keep working on it. Surround yourself with rationality, and people who are rational. Learn how to dismantle the anti-GLBT propaganda being spouted by the religious, from a logical standpoint. It&#039;ll get easier to move past those feelings once you really understand that they aren&#039;t anything to feel ashamed or guilty about---not just in your body, but in your heart and mind as well. It&#039;s just a matter of proving it to yourself, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to offer some words that seem tired and useless, but have helped me more times than anything anyone has ever said to me: you can do it. You just have to stick it out; the human capacity for survival is amazing. Your mind and body know what they want and what they need. Just follow your gut, and don&#8217;t let other people discourage you. Just do what you have to do, for however long you need to do it, and something might just come to you.</p>
<p>Also, as for practical advice: as far as the guilt is concerned, that will pass if you keep working on it. Surround yourself with rationality, and people who are rational. Learn how to dismantle the anti-GLBT propaganda being spouted by the religious, from a logical standpoint. It&#8217;ll get easier to move past those feelings once you really understand that they aren&#8217;t anything to feel ashamed or guilty about&#8212;not just in your body, but in your heart and mind as well. It&#8217;s just a matter of proving it to yourself, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like depression to me.  It&#039;s very different for everyone in terms of environmental causes and confounding factors (such as sexuality and lack of family support), but when those things culminate in depressed, self-loathing, guilty thoughts, it&#039;s all the same disease.  BUT - it&#039;s treatable.

Get thee to a counselor, or at the very least start doing some heavy research.  I recommend learning about cognitive-behavioral therapy, which worked great for me.  I highly recommend the book &quot;Feeling Good&quot; by Dr. David D. Burns.  Unfortunately I don&#039;t recall any of the examples in the book specifically dealing with sexuality, but it should still be useful in learning about depression and its causes and solutions.

I suspect CBT would work well for anyone accustomed to evidence-based thinking, since it&#039;s essentially a method of self-skepticism - you scrutinize your thoughts and evaluate their rationality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like depression to me.  It&#8217;s very different for everyone in terms of environmental causes and confounding factors (such as sexuality and lack of family support), but when those things culminate in depressed, self-loathing, guilty thoughts, it&#8217;s all the same disease.  BUT &#8211; it&#8217;s treatable.</p>
<p>Get thee to a counselor, or at the very least start doing some heavy research.  I recommend learning about cognitive-behavioral therapy, which worked great for me.  I highly recommend the book &#8220;Feeling Good&#8221; by Dr. David D. Burns.  Unfortunately I don&#8217;t recall any of the examples in the book specifically dealing with sexuality, but it should still be useful in learning about depression and its causes and solutions.</p>
<p>I suspect CBT would work well for anyone accustomed to evidence-based thinking, since it&#8217;s essentially a method of self-skepticism &#8211; you scrutinize your thoughts and evaluate their rationality.</p>
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		<title>By: hoverFrog</title>
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		<dc:creator>hoverFrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan said: &lt;blockquote&gt;please look at your own life and make sure that you have absolutely no “agenda” before counseling someone else to not go to a specific type of people who might have an “agenda.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;I&#039;m well aware of my own biases which is one reason why I suggest reducing them in a therapist.  When you want help you want someone to help you, not their own cause.  A church based counsellor has an automatic bias towards the church that may or may not be in the best interests of the person being helped.  Someone independent would be better positioned to make that assessment.</description>
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<blockquote>please look at your own life and make sure that you have absolutely no “agenda” before counseling someone else to not go to a specific type of people who might have an “agenda.”</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m well aware of my own biases which is one reason why I suggest reducing them in a therapist.  When you want help you want someone to help you, not their own cause.  A church based counsellor has an automatic bias towards the church that may or may not be in the best interests of the person being helped.  Someone independent would be better positioned to make that assessment.</p>
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		<title>By: Greta Christina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greta Christina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My heart goes out to you. I wish I had more in the way of practical advice; but mostly all I can offer is my compassion. Don&#039;t let anyone trivialize what you&#039;re going through.

As a bisexual myself, I think in many ways coming out as bi can be harder than coming out as gay or lesbian. It&#039;s easier for families and friends to call it a phase, not take it seriously, and/or hold out hope that you&#039;ll wind up in an opposite- sex relationship. And if you do end up dating a guy at some point, the straight world may act as if the phase is over... and the gay world may act as if you&#039;re backsliding. Bisexuality is often not taken seriously as a sexual identity.

So when you do reading and look for support in the GLBT community, be sure to look for books and support organizations specifically about bisexuality.

I also agree that, if at all possible, getting out of your parents&#039; house would probably be a good idea.

And I second what others have said about therapy. Not reparative therapy, Loki forbid, but the regular kind. And I think Hoverfrog has a perfectly valid point: while I doubt this would be true at the UU, a lot of church- based counseling prioritizes faith and staying in the church over the counselee&#039;s happiness and well- being. You want a therapist whose only agenda is you being happy and mentally healthy. (BTW, in many cities, free or low- cost counseling is available.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My heart goes out to you. I wish I had more in the way of practical advice; but mostly all I can offer is my compassion. Don&#8217;t let anyone trivialize what you&#8217;re going through.</p>
<p>As a bisexual myself, I think in many ways coming out as bi can be harder than coming out as gay or lesbian. It&#8217;s easier for families and friends to call it a phase, not take it seriously, and/or hold out hope that you&#8217;ll wind up in an opposite- sex relationship. And if you do end up dating a guy at some point, the straight world may act as if the phase is over&#8230; and the gay world may act as if you&#8217;re backsliding. Bisexuality is often not taken seriously as a sexual identity.</p>
<p>So when you do reading and look for support in the GLBT community, be sure to look for books and support organizations specifically about bisexuality.</p>
<p>I also agree that, if at all possible, getting out of your parents&#8217; house would probably be a good idea.</p>
<p>And I second what others have said about therapy. Not reparative therapy, Loki forbid, but the regular kind. And I think Hoverfrog has a perfectly valid point: while I doubt this would be true at the UU, a lot of church- based counseling prioritizes faith and staying in the church over the counselee&#8217;s happiness and well- being. You want a therapist whose only agenda is you being happy and mentally healthy. (BTW, in many cities, free or low- cost counseling is available.)</p>
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		<title>By: MathMike</title>
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		<dc:creator>MathMike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope the reader lives in an area where she might find a counselor who is either an atheist, or who can put aside their beliefs. Many rely on their beliefs as part of their work. Not professional, but all to often true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope the reader lives in an area where she might find a counselor who is either an atheist, or who can put aside their beliefs. Many rely on their beliefs as part of their work. Not professional, but all to often true.</p>
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		<title>By: Religious wounds &#171; Atheist A Go-Go</title>
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		<dc:creator>Religious wounds &#171; Atheist A Go-Go</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  Jump to Comments Hemant Mehta shares an email that&#8217;s heart-breaking: a woman who has lost faith but finds herself guilty about her sexuality, asking for advice. I wish I had advice, other than what some commenters have already said: get [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just...wow. I don&#039;t even know how to respond. To the woman who wrote the email, my heart goes out to you deeply. I am saddened that you were left with seemingly no other option than to have a post on this blog, looking for counsel. I do hope that you will find someone in real life who will get down into the muck of life with you and sift through this unsettling situation you find yourself in. 

To hoverFrog, I say this: please look at your own life and make sure that you have absolutely no &quot;agenda&quot; before counseling someone else to not go to a specific type of people who might have an &quot;agenda.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just&#8230;wow. I don&#8217;t even know how to respond. To the woman who wrote the email, my heart goes out to you deeply. I am saddened that you were left with seemingly no other option than to have a post on this blog, looking for counsel. I do hope that you will find someone in real life who will get down into the muck of life with you and sift through this unsettling situation you find yourself in. </p>
<p>To hoverFrog, I say this: please look at your own life and make sure that you have absolutely no &#8220;agenda&#8221; before counseling someone else to not go to a specific type of people who might have an &#8220;agenda.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Agersomnia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Agersomnia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thankfully for this reader, there was a UU church an a GLBT group near.

If the internal conflict runs deep, tough, maybe as Frog says it would be better with some counseling or psychotherapy. It hurts nobody and probably at a Psych school (psychology or psychiatry) they have small clinics that are cheaper than a private therapist, if money is an issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thankfully for this reader, there was a UU church an a GLBT group near.</p>
<p>If the internal conflict runs deep, tough, maybe as Frog says it would be better with some counseling or psychotherapy. It hurts nobody and probably at a Psych school (psychology or psychiatry) they have small clinics that are cheaper than a private therapist, if money is an issue.</p>
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		<title>By: justin jm</title>
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		<dc:creator>justin jm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adding to what hoverFrog said, meeting with a psychologist would be a good idea. You could bring your parents along and have a group meeting to discuss these issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adding to what hoverFrog said, meeting with a psychologist would be a good idea. You could bring your parents along and have a group meeting to discuss these issues.</p>
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