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		<title>By: Nelly</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/08/30/atheists-worst-nightmares-sarah-palin-bananas/#comment-228545</link>
		<dc:creator>Nelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Worst-case scenario: McCain steals/wins the election (on my birthday.... how&#039;s that for a present?) and becomes president. We invade Iran, or we don&#039;t. At this point it doesn&#039;t matter; we&#039;re all screwed anyway. At some point before McCain enters the third year of his term, he will die. It may be natural, or the evil part of the republican party will take him out in his sleep (digitalis or potassium chlorate). Palin becomes president. Gay marriage is banned. Abortions are banned. Books are burned. America becomes a theocracy. Oil drilling become our number 1 priority. Countless species are driven to extinction. Rebellions break out. Gay, lesbian, and bisexual people are openly discriminated against. Law enforcement is corrupted. Non-christians are persecuted. The Constitution is ignored by everyone in power. Nancy Pulosi will probably be assassinated, along with Obama, for daring to question the right. Riots erupt. People die. Palin traipses peacefully to you-know-where with America in her handbag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worst-case scenario: McCain steals/wins the election (on my birthday&#8230;. how&#8217;s that for a present?) and becomes president. We invade Iran, or we don&#8217;t. At this point it doesn&#8217;t matter; we&#8217;re all screwed anyway. At some point before McCain enters the third year of his term, he will die. It may be natural, or the evil part of the republican party will take him out in his sleep (digitalis or potassium chlorate). Palin becomes president. Gay marriage is banned. Abortions are banned. Books are burned. America becomes a theocracy. Oil drilling become our number 1 priority. Countless species are driven to extinction. Rebellions break out. Gay, lesbian, and bisexual people are openly discriminated against. Law enforcement is corrupted. Non-christians are persecuted. The Constitution is ignored by everyone in power. Nancy Pulosi will probably be assassinated, along with Obama, for daring to question the right. Riots erupt. People die. Palin traipses peacefully to you-know-where with America in her handbag.</p>
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		<title>By: Monica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The future under McLame/Palin would be very bleak indeed.  I would love to leave if that comes to pass.   I tried to leave in 1990 when I believe King George I was pres.  Went to the UK, got deported back to NYC.  Thought I&#039;d go to Canada-- but too cold.  Instead I moved to Cali-- at least I could be warm I figured.   San Diego County is very right wing (didn&#039;t know that when I moved here), but I&#039;m seeing more Obama bumper stickers these days.  I truly hope Obama wins.  Not only would it be historic, but his win would save this country.  I just can&#039;t understand how people that are not fundies fall for her.  I just don&#039;t get it.  Unless all the swooning I&#039;m hearing about on the news is all propaganda.  It actually makes me ill.  Sarah Palin doesn&#039;t speak for me as a woman and mom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The future under McLame/Palin would be very bleak indeed.  I would love to leave if that comes to pass.   I tried to leave in 1990 when I believe King George I was pres.  Went to the UK, got deported back to NYC.  Thought I&#8217;d go to Canada&#8211; but too cold.  Instead I moved to Cali&#8211; at least I could be warm I figured.   San Diego County is very right wing (didn&#8217;t know that when I moved here), but I&#8217;m seeing more Obama bumper stickers these days.  I truly hope Obama wins.  Not only would it be historic, but his win would save this country.  I just can&#8217;t understand how people that are not fundies fall for her.  I just don&#8217;t get it.  Unless all the swooning I&#8217;m hearing about on the news is all propaganda.  It actually makes me ill.  Sarah Palin doesn&#8217;t speak for me as a woman and mom.</p>
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		<title>By: Thinker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think about all the jobs she is NOT qualified to apply for:

Elementary school teacher
Librarian
Junior social worker
Nurse
Senior secretary

and many others

jobs she may be qualified for (depending on her driving experience/record)

school bus driver
elementary classroom aide (in some states only)
filing clerk
Avon rep.
Shelver at library

I do not know whether she graduated with anything other than a scrape through degree in journalism from Idaho, but it is said she dropped out from a couple of other colleges. Due to her looks and keen sports interest, she got a sports announcer job.

What is more than relevant is that she appears to have hopped jobs a fair bit.  Also, her stance on sueing the Federal Gvmnt. to stop protecting Polar Bears shows me someone who has a narrow focus-Alaska and Alaskan &quot;ideals&quot;.  I am not entirely convinced that she is not an &quot;oil gal&quot; - I think she probably is, most Alaskans are.

To dare to compare herself with Sen. Clinton shows a rather egotistical outlook.  Even accepting the nomination shows a severe lack of &quot;knowing her own boundaries&quot; - I have much more experience and qualifications than she does, yet there is no way I would want to accept such a huge responsibility-it would be entirely foolhardy and would place my own ego ahead of the USA for sure.

One thing we should be doing is addressing these issues in a thinking, decent manner. Personally I don&#039;t really care if Bristol is pregnant, but I do care that had this been Chelsea Clinton, the RW Press would have savaged her.

The re-invention in the USA of the word &quot;liberal&quot; as something distasteful has to be fought on the lack of merit is deserves.  Conservatives don&#039;t own this country, the people do. The Christian Right do not own this country, the people do, people of many faiths, or no faith at all, it is our right as Americans.

It is absolutely clear that Mrs. Palin was chosen to appease the Chritian Right and win their vote.  These people are not interested or concerned with World Affairs, they are consumed with a very narrow and personal agenda regarding abortion and creationism and the right to own and use guns, no matter if such guns are far more than hunting rifles.  They ARE the Bridge to Nowhere.  They have absolutely no time or respect for anyone who may have different beliefs from their own, and their own beliefs are defined so narrowly they are almost hateful.

There is a clear separation from Church and State in this country, but it is being stolen from us.

Finally, as the mother of a Special Needs child who chose NOT to have &quot;the test&quot; (for what reason???)as Mrs Palin did, I have to say that the present Government has stimied  Special Education and refused to increased funding to any meaningful degree.

Finally, my child receives Medicaid, but we have to travel 42 miles to see a pediatrician who will accept Medicaid.  He has a terrible illness, yet we are confined to only seeking treatment and diagnosis within the State we live in, when the experts are all elsewhere.

As a mother leaving my own career to care for my Special Needs child (in my opinion the only right thing to do)as well as caring for a disabled spouse, I have to tell you that I will not receive Social Security or Medicare when I reach that age as there is no allowance made for people who care for family members to cover the credits required for either.

If the Republicans get in we WILL try and join family in Canada, or Europe, as there is no hope left that we can survive here.

Thinker</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think about all the jobs she is NOT qualified to apply for:</p>
<p>Elementary school teacher<br />
Librarian<br />
Junior social worker<br />
Nurse<br />
Senior secretary</p>
<p>and many others</p>
<p>jobs she may be qualified for (depending on her driving experience/record)</p>
<p>school bus driver<br />
elementary classroom aide (in some states only)<br />
filing clerk<br />
Avon rep.<br />
Shelver at library</p>
<p>I do not know whether she graduated with anything other than a scrape through degree in journalism from Idaho, but it is said she dropped out from a couple of other colleges. Due to her looks and keen sports interest, she got a sports announcer job.</p>
<p>What is more than relevant is that she appears to have hopped jobs a fair bit.  Also, her stance on sueing the Federal Gvmnt. to stop protecting Polar Bears shows me someone who has a narrow focus-Alaska and Alaskan &#8220;ideals&#8221;.  I am not entirely convinced that she is not an &#8220;oil gal&#8221; &#8211; I think she probably is, most Alaskans are.</p>
<p>To dare to compare herself with Sen. Clinton shows a rather egotistical outlook.  Even accepting the nomination shows a severe lack of &#8220;knowing her own boundaries&#8221; &#8211; I have much more experience and qualifications than she does, yet there is no way I would want to accept such a huge responsibility-it would be entirely foolhardy and would place my own ego ahead of the USA for sure.</p>
<p>One thing we should be doing is addressing these issues in a thinking, decent manner. Personally I don&#8217;t really care if Bristol is pregnant, but I do care that had this been Chelsea Clinton, the RW Press would have savaged her.</p>
<p>The re-invention in the USA of the word &#8220;liberal&#8221; as something distasteful has to be fought on the lack of merit is deserves.  Conservatives don&#8217;t own this country, the people do. The Christian Right do not own this country, the people do, people of many faiths, or no faith at all, it is our right as Americans.</p>
<p>It is absolutely clear that Mrs. Palin was chosen to appease the Chritian Right and win their vote.  These people are not interested or concerned with World Affairs, they are consumed with a very narrow and personal agenda regarding abortion and creationism and the right to own and use guns, no matter if such guns are far more than hunting rifles.  They ARE the Bridge to Nowhere.  They have absolutely no time or respect for anyone who may have different beliefs from their own, and their own beliefs are defined so narrowly they are almost hateful.</p>
<p>There is a clear separation from Church and State in this country, but it is being stolen from us.</p>
<p>Finally, as the mother of a Special Needs child who chose NOT to have &#8220;the test&#8221; (for what reason???)as Mrs Palin did, I have to say that the present Government has stimied  Special Education and refused to increased funding to any meaningful degree.</p>
<p>Finally, my child receives Medicaid, but we have to travel 42 miles to see a pediatrician who will accept Medicaid.  He has a terrible illness, yet we are confined to only seeking treatment and diagnosis within the State we live in, when the experts are all elsewhere.</p>
<p>As a mother leaving my own career to care for my Special Needs child (in my opinion the only right thing to do)as well as caring for a disabled spouse, I have to tell you that I will not receive Social Security or Medicare when I reach that age as there is no allowance made for people who care for family members to cover the credits required for either.</p>
<p>If the Republicans get in we WILL try and join family in Canada, or Europe, as there is no hope left that we can survive here.</p>
<p>Thinker</p>
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		<title>By: philosophia</title>
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		<dc:creator>philosophia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Take that feminists — here is a woman of accomplishment who brings a fresh face to traditional values and models the type of woman most girls want to become.”

That is appalling on so many levels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Take that feminists — here is a woman of accomplishment who brings a fresh face to traditional values and models the type of woman most girls want to become.”</p>
<p>That is appalling on so many levels.</p>
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		<title>By: Episode 1.04 and last minute change of plans &#171; The Feeble Lance</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/08/30/atheists-worst-nightmares-sarah-palin-bananas/#comment-224829</link>
		<dc:creator>Episode 1.04 and last minute change of plans &#171; The Feeble Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 06:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The coverage I&#039;ve been watching on this keeps making me shake my head in disbelief. Reporters are asking legitimate questions about her fitness to be second-in-command and the Republican talking heads are saying things like, &quot;But she&#039;s has &lt;strong&gt;five children&lt;/strong&gt; - and one of them is deploying to &lt;strong&gt;Iraq!&lt;/strong&gt;&quot;

Or &quot;Well, she does have foreign policy experience - did you know Alaska is &lt;strong&gt;right next to Russia?&lt;/strong&gt;

UHHH - so freaking what? As if those details have any bearing whatsoever on the questions about whether the mayor of Podunk, AK is qualified to lead the U.S. on an international stage. Can you imagine Miss Congeniality negotiating with Ahmedinijad and Putin? Solving the U.S. health care crisis? Even her hometown newspapers are saying she shown no curiosity or interest in issues outside of oil and gas drilling, and she admitted a couple weeks ago she has &quot;not been following the situation in Iraq&quot; closely.

It&#039;s downright frightening, and yet serious Republicans are defending this choice with a straight face, and opining that independent women and Hillary supporters will flock to her. Speaking of choice, of course, we&#039;re hearing over and over about how she &quot;chose&quot; to keep her Down syndrome baby after pre-natal testing. And yet she advocates taking that choice AWAY from other women! That&#039;s shameful.

The other thing that&#039;s been bugging me is this right-wing talking point about how she has &quot;more experience&quot; and it more qualified than Obama. More experience, my ass! 

She went to University of Idaho and got a BA in journalism before becoming a TV sports reporter. He went to Columbia and Harvard, got a law degree, was editor of the Harvard Law Review, taught constitutional law and worked as a community organizer in innercity Chicago.

She served on the city council of a tiny town in the middle of nowhere. He&#039;s been in the state and federal legilsature. He&#039;s written two best-selling books that deal seriously with the top issues of our day. He&#039;s proven himself on the national and international level - she was chosen because she&#039;s a &quot;babe&quot; who will shore up the religious nutcases of the right wing.

This terrible, craven judgment should put McCain in the crapper and keep him there for the rest of the election, but one never knows what will happen in politics. If Americans are as shallow as they&#039;re made out to be, we could be in far worse trouble even than over the last 8 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The coverage I&#8217;ve been watching on this keeps making me shake my head in disbelief. Reporters are asking legitimate questions about her fitness to be second-in-command and the Republican talking heads are saying things like, &#8220;But she&#8217;s has <strong>five children</strong> &#8211; and one of them is deploying to <strong>Iraq!</strong>&#8221;</p>
<p>Or &#8220;Well, she does have foreign policy experience &#8211; did you know Alaska is <strong>right next to Russia?</strong></p>
<p>UHHH &#8211; so freaking what? As if those details have any bearing whatsoever on the questions about whether the mayor of Podunk, AK is qualified to lead the U.S. on an international stage. Can you imagine Miss Congeniality negotiating with Ahmedinijad and Putin? Solving the U.S. health care crisis? Even her hometown newspapers are saying she shown no curiosity or interest in issues outside of oil and gas drilling, and she admitted a couple weeks ago she has &#8220;not been following the situation in Iraq&#8221; closely.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s downright frightening, and yet serious Republicans are defending this choice with a straight face, and opining that independent women and Hillary supporters will flock to her. Speaking of choice, of course, we&#8217;re hearing over and over about how she &#8220;chose&#8221; to keep her Down syndrome baby after pre-natal testing. And yet she advocates taking that choice AWAY from other women! That&#8217;s shameful.</p>
<p>The other thing that&#8217;s been bugging me is this right-wing talking point about how she has &#8220;more experience&#8221; and it more qualified than Obama. More experience, my ass! </p>
<p>She went to University of Idaho and got a BA in journalism before becoming a TV sports reporter. He went to Columbia and Harvard, got a law degree, was editor of the Harvard Law Review, taught constitutional law and worked as a community organizer in innercity Chicago.</p>
<p>She served on the city council of a tiny town in the middle of nowhere. He&#8217;s been in the state and federal legilsature. He&#8217;s written two best-selling books that deal seriously with the top issues of our day. He&#8217;s proven himself on the national and international level &#8211; she was chosen because she&#8217;s a &#8220;babe&#8221; who will shore up the religious nutcases of the right wing.</p>
<p>This terrible, craven judgment should put McCain in the crapper and keep him there for the rest of the election, but one never knows what will happen in politics. If Americans are as shallow as they&#8217;re made out to be, we could be in far worse trouble even than over the last 8 years.</p>
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		<title>By: ubi dubius</title>
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		<dc:creator>ubi dubius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donations to religious organizations are tax deductible.  Donations to political organizations are not.  When a church starts to become a political organization, they lose their tax exempt status.  You can do what you want, that doesn&#039;t mean the rest of us should subsidize it.

We could make this simpler by getting rid of tax deductibility for donations to religious organizations.  Some scholars claim the deduction is required by the 1st amendment.  I don&#039;t buy that argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donations to religious organizations are tax deductible.  Donations to political organizations are not.  When a church starts to become a political organization, they lose their tax exempt status.  You can do what you want, that doesn&#8217;t mean the rest of us should subsidize it.</p>
<p>We could make this simpler by getting rid of tax deductibility for donations to religious organizations.  Some scholars claim the deduction is required by the 1st amendment.  I don&#8217;t buy that argument.</p>
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		<title>By: mollishka</title>
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		<dc:creator>mollishka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;2. “She thinks religious leaders have the freedom to endorse candidates from the pulpit.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What’s wrong that? Preachers are just human beings and one of the inalienable rights of man is that we have a freedom to voice our opinions. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s not a problem at all ... unless they want to keep claiming tax-exempt status.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>2. “She thinks religious leaders have the freedom to endorse candidates from the pulpit.”</p></blockquote>
<p>What’s wrong that? Preachers are just human beings and one of the inalienable rights of man is that we have a freedom to voice our opinions. </p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s not a problem at all &#8230; unless they want to keep claiming tax-exempt status.</p>
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		<title>By: mollishka</title>
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		<dc:creator>mollishka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miers, not Myers, btw.

Also: nice new digs!  This is my first time making it over here from Google Reader since the change... comment writing appears to still be &lt;i&gt;painfully&lt;/i&gt; slow, but everything at least looks nice :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miers, not Myers, btw.</p>
<p>Also: nice new digs!  This is my first time making it over here from Google Reader since the change&#8230; comment writing appears to still be <i>painfully</i> slow, but everything at least looks nice <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: benjdm</title>
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		<dc:creator>benjdm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;She is much much much better than the potential VP candidate choices of Mitt Romney or Mike Huckabee. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

She probably isn&#039;t better than Huckabee.  There&#039;s reporting that she&#039;s a dominionist.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/29/163234/559/495/579213

If you&#039;re not familiar, from wiki: &quot;Dominion Theology is a grouping of theological systems with the common belief that society should be governed exclusively by the law of God as codified in the Bible, to the exclusion of secular law, a view also known as theonomy. The most prominent modern formulation of Dominion Theology is Christian Reconstructionism, founded by R. J. Rushdoony in the 1970s. Reconstructionists themselves use the word dominionism to refer to their belief that civil government should be controlled by Christians alone and conducted according to Biblical law.&quot;

The religious right may have their theocratic monarch in the V.P. candidate position.  I can&#039;t imagine continuing to live in the U.S. if Obama loses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>She is much much much better than the potential VP candidate choices of Mitt Romney or Mike Huckabee. </p></blockquote>
<p>She probably isn&#8217;t better than Huckabee.  There&#8217;s reporting that she&#8217;s a dominionist.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/29/163234/559/495/579213" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/29/163234/559/495/579213</a></p>
<p>If you&#8217;re not familiar, from wiki: &#8220;Dominion Theology is a grouping of theological systems with the common belief that society should be governed exclusively by the law of God as codified in the Bible, to the exclusion of secular law, a view also known as theonomy. The most prominent modern formulation of Dominion Theology is Christian Reconstructionism, founded by R. J. Rushdoony in the 1970s. Reconstructionists themselves use the word dominionism to refer to their belief that civil government should be controlled by Christians alone and conducted according to Biblical law.&#8221;</p>
<p>The religious right may have their theocratic monarch in the V.P. candidate position.  I can&#8217;t imagine continuing to live in the U.S. if Obama loses.</p>
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