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	<title>Comments on: Sarah Palin: Not Conservative Enough for Creationists</title>
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		<title>By: rekounas</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/08/31/sarah-palin-not-conservative-enough-for-creationists/#comment-225688</link>
		<dc:creator>rekounas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 23:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t America have real problems?  Like the war, economy, unemployment, and health care to name a few.  For a country that places SO much value on religious righteousness, you would think they have all the other issues figured out.  New rule, US politicians are not to be asked or answer any questions regarding religion as it is not a priority to get the country back on it&#039;s feet.  The belief in a god will not fix the problems of the country no matter how much the conservative right wing nut jobs think it will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t America have real problems?  Like the war, economy, unemployment, and health care to name a few.  For a country that places SO much value on religious righteousness, you would think they have all the other issues figured out.  New rule, US politicians are not to be asked or answer any questions regarding religion as it is not a priority to get the country back on it&#8217;s feet.  The belief in a god will not fix the problems of the country no matter how much the conservative right wing nut jobs think it will.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/08/31/sarah-palin-not-conservative-enough-for-creationists/#comment-225190</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the pregnancy thing is a personal family matter. However, we&#039;re evaluating her for a position in which her job is taking an interest in our personal lives. I think it&#039;s more than appropriate for her to face the same scrutiny she would be able to put us under.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the pregnancy thing is a personal family matter. However, we&#8217;re evaluating her for a position in which her job is taking an interest in our personal lives. I think it&#8217;s more than appropriate for her to face the same scrutiny she would be able to put us under.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/08/31/sarah-palin-not-conservative-enough-for-creationists/#comment-225177</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 18:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen, I thought the same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen, I thought the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Nine</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/08/31/sarah-palin-not-conservative-enough-for-creationists/#comment-225162</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue Nine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 17:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A blog with a name like &quot;Happy Jihad&#039;s House Of Pancakes&quot; is worth checking out.

I read on Yahoo that Palin is saying that she is the mother of the fifth child, AND that her daughter is pregnant and will marry the father. She got knocked up at the age of 16. She also asked that everyone respect the family&#039;s privacy.

Typical conservative BS. They go around telling everybody else what to do, but when one of their own messes up, all of a sudden it&#039;s a private matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A blog with a name like &#8220;Happy Jihad&#8217;s House Of Pancakes&#8221; is worth checking out.</p>
<p>I read on Yahoo that Palin is saying that she is the mother of the fifth child, AND that her daughter is pregnant and will marry the father. She got knocked up at the age of 16. She also asked that everyone respect the family&#8217;s privacy.</p>
<p>Typical conservative BS. They go around telling everybody else what to do, but when one of their own messes up, all of a sudden it&#8217;s a private matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/08/31/sarah-palin-not-conservative-enough-for-creationists/#comment-225158</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 17:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, now it turns out that 17-year-old &lt;a href=&quot;http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/01/1318541.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Bristol is pregnant for reals&lt;/a&gt;
and will be marrying the baby&#039;s father.

This is unfortunately the outcome (teen pregnancy) in many fundamentalist Christian families where &quot;abstinence only&quot; is taught and teenagers are not informed about birth control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, now it turns out that 17-year-old <a href="http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/01/1318541.aspx" rel="nofollow"> Bristol is pregnant for reals</a><br />
and will be marrying the baby&#8217;s father.</p>
<p>This is unfortunately the outcome (teen pregnancy) in many fundamentalist Christian families where &#8220;abstinence only&#8221; is taught and teenagers are not informed about birth control.</p>
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		<title>By: Gullwatcher</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/08/31/sarah-palin-not-conservative-enough-for-creationists/#comment-224893</link>
		<dc:creator>Gullwatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 06:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unlike most political scandals, this one is very easy to disprove, with just a blood test. Considering what the Republicans have to lose from this, if the blood test results are not forthcoming, that would strongly suggest to me that the rumor is true. I&#039;m absolutely not saying Sarah Palin has any responsibility or duty to disprove it, I&#039;m just saying that if she doesn&#039;t, it&#039;s probably because she can&#039;t.

As far as the objections above - while it&#039;s more likely to happen with an older mom, most cases are from mothers younger than 35, and this could be one. It&#039;s true that some women don&#039;t show much, but pictures of her from earlier pregnancies show that she is not one of those women.  And while fifth-time mothers may be more relaxed, I&#039;m not seeing any mother all that relaxed about a premature baby.  

This isn&#039;t even close to X-Files or conspiracy theory stuff.  This used to happen in this country all the time, and still does.  I can completely see a traditional family deciding to handle this the old-fashioned way and a small closely-knit town helping with what would seem like a harmless deception for a good cause. I can especially see this happening in Alaska, which very much has that kind of mentality.  

No one could have foreseen the national spotlight being turned on the Palins. It&#039;s just their bad luck that this one time it does matter to people outside their family.  I&#039;m not faulting her for trying to save her daughter&#039;s &#039;reputation&#039;, if that is what is going on, but if it is,  I am faulting her for having the insanely bad judgement to think she could get away with it during a presidential campaign. That would be poor judgement on an epic scale for someone next in line to be president, and that makes it everybody&#039;s business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlike most political scandals, this one is very easy to disprove, with just a blood test. Considering what the Republicans have to lose from this, if the blood test results are not forthcoming, that would strongly suggest to me that the rumor is true. I&#8217;m absolutely not saying Sarah Palin has any responsibility or duty to disprove it, I&#8217;m just saying that if she doesn&#8217;t, it&#8217;s probably because she can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>As far as the objections above &#8211; while it&#8217;s more likely to happen with an older mom, most cases are from mothers younger than 35, and this could be one. It&#8217;s true that some women don&#8217;t show much, but pictures of her from earlier pregnancies show that she is not one of those women.  And while fifth-time mothers may be more relaxed, I&#8217;m not seeing any mother all that relaxed about a premature baby.  </p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t even close to X-Files or conspiracy theory stuff.  This used to happen in this country all the time, and still does.  I can completely see a traditional family deciding to handle this the old-fashioned way and a small closely-knit town helping with what would seem like a harmless deception for a good cause. I can especially see this happening in Alaska, which very much has that kind of mentality.  </p>
<p>No one could have foreseen the national spotlight being turned on the Palins. It&#8217;s just their bad luck that this one time it does matter to people outside their family.  I&#8217;m not faulting her for trying to save her daughter&#8217;s &#8216;reputation&#8217;, if that is what is going on, but if it is,  I am faulting her for having the insanely bad judgement to think she could get away with it during a presidential campaign. That would be poor judgement on an epic scale for someone next in line to be president, and that makes it everybody&#8217;s business.</p>
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		<title>By: Tao Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tao Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 06:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it&#039;s not hers (I agree, big if)...

I would definitely call this more than a white lie.  If she is this bastion of morality she&#039;s made out to be, her own family &quot;transgressions&quot; are merely being covered up with lies.  What kind of lies will she be willing to concoct when her administration does something really bad?

Wouldn&#039;t this also make her a bad mother?  Bristol (the 16 year old, who in a recent picture seems to be sporting a Wedding Ring) has probably already faced more scrutiny and embarrassment than any other teenage mother.  Perhaps second only to Mary herself.  Is it Bristol who is now suffering for her mother&#039;s ambition?  Would there have been nearly the same attention if Bristol was initially identified as the mother?  

There are also pictures floating around of Palin during a past pregnancy. She was huge.  Stark contrast to these recent pictures.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/380134.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Birth announcement in the paper&lt;/a&gt; Note the date and hospital.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.matsuregional.com/nursery/nursery_calendar.php?month=05&amp;year=2008&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Birth announcement calendar from Mat-Su hospital.&lt;/a&gt; Note Palin&#039;s name is absent.  

All circumstantial evidence, but there is a fair bit of it. 

Again, it really is none of our business.  Had Palin not been McCain&#039;s VP choice, it really wouldn&#039;t be any of our business.  

But, do we have a right to know any personal details of public figures in such a high office?  Is there a line somewhere?  Does it matter if the personal details are perceived to affect the person&#039;s ability to perform the responsibilities of their office?  On which side of the line would something like this fall?

On some level, if this is a lie, it is a lie being told because of her religious views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s not hers (I agree, big if)&#8230;</p>
<p>I would definitely call this more than a white lie.  If she is this bastion of morality she&#8217;s made out to be, her own family &#8220;transgressions&#8221; are merely being covered up with lies.  What kind of lies will she be willing to concoct when her administration does something really bad?</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t this also make her a bad mother?  Bristol (the 16 year old, who in a recent picture seems to be sporting a Wedding Ring) has probably already faced more scrutiny and embarrassment than any other teenage mother.  Perhaps second only to Mary herself.  Is it Bristol who is now suffering for her mother&#8217;s ambition?  Would there have been nearly the same attention if Bristol was initially identified as the mother?  </p>
<p>There are also pictures floating around of Palin during a past pregnancy. She was huge.  Stark contrast to these recent pictures.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/380134.html" rel="nofollow">Birth announcement in the paper</a> Note the date and hospital.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.matsuregional.com/nursery/nursery_calendar.php?month=05&amp;year=2008" rel="nofollow">Birth announcement calendar from Mat-Su hospital.</a> Note Palin&#8217;s name is absent.  </p>
<p>All circumstantial evidence, but there is a fair bit of it. </p>
<p>Again, it really is none of our business.  Had Palin not been McCain&#8217;s VP choice, it really wouldn&#8217;t be any of our business.  </p>
<p>But, do we have a right to know any personal details of public figures in such a high office?  Is there a line somewhere?  Does it matter if the personal details are perceived to affect the person&#8217;s ability to perform the responsibilities of their office?  On which side of the line would something like this fall?</p>
<p>On some level, if this is a lie, it is a lie being told because of her religious views.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 01:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it&#039;s not hers (big if), it&#039;s just a white lie, as long as she doesn&#039;t want to take away the rights of other women to make their own choices.

Oh, wait. She does.

The last few years have shown Republicans to be hypocrites when it comes to moral issues, so if it was not her baby, she&#039;s in good company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s not hers (big if), it&#8217;s just a white lie, as long as she doesn&#8217;t want to take away the rights of other women to make their own choices.</p>
<p>Oh, wait. She does.</p>
<p>The last few years have shown Republicans to be hypocrites when it comes to moral issues, so if it was not her baby, she&#8217;s in good company.</p>
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		<title>By: Bing McGhandi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bing McGhandi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Karen.  When I heard how young the baby was and thought how freaking elderly she was from a birthin&#039; standpoint, no, it&#039;s hers.  She made a bad reproductive decision and I wouldn&#039;t have her dictating national women&#039;s health policy if John McCain goes up to the big cooler in the sky.  There are real issues that libs (if you are so inclined) can hold her feet to the fire over.  Don&#039;t go all Mulder on me and start pulling X-Files outcher butt.  Libs need to take a real loo at real issues and really put these two in the ground.

HJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Karen.  When I heard how young the baby was and thought how freaking elderly she was from a birthin&#8217; standpoint, no, it&#8217;s hers.  She made a bad reproductive decision and I wouldn&#8217;t have her dictating national women&#8217;s health policy if John McCain goes up to the big cooler in the sky.  There are real issues that libs (if you are so inclined) can hold her feet to the fire over.  Don&#8217;t go all Mulder on me and start pulling X-Files outcher butt.  Libs need to take a real loo at real issues and really put these two in the ground.</p>
<p>HJ</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This looks spurious to me, not to mention irrelevant. Mothers over 40 are far more likely to have Down&#039;s syndrome babies than young women are. 

The fact that she carried the pregnancy very discretely is not unheard of, particularly for long-waisted, athletic type women. And the idea that she flew home to deliver with her own doctor in her local hospital - while unusual - doesn&#039;t seem unbelievable to me. It was her fifth pregnancy and by that time, mothers are pretty relaxed about giving birth and quite familiar with how much time they have to labor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This looks spurious to me, not to mention irrelevant. Mothers over 40 are far more likely to have Down&#8217;s syndrome babies than young women are. </p>
<p>The fact that she carried the pregnancy very discretely is not unheard of, particularly for long-waisted, athletic type women. And the idea that she flew home to deliver with her own doctor in her local hospital &#8211; while unusual &#8211; doesn&#8217;t seem unbelievable to me. It was her fifth pregnancy and by that time, mothers are pretty relaxed about giving birth and quite familiar with how much time they have to labor.</p>
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