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		<title>By: INTJ Mom</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/09/19/whose-wedding-is-it/#comment-229144</link>
		<dc:creator>INTJ Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When DH and I were married nearly 6 1/2 years ago we had an outdoor ceremony and reception at his uncle&#039;s mansion.  We hired a judge who was willing to be &quot;short and sweet and completely secular&quot;.  We used pop/rock ballads as our music.  The flower girl &amp; I were the only ones who walked down any sort of &quot;aisle&quot;, the groomsmen and bridesmaids were already positioned with the groom.

We planned and paid for everything ourselves so our families weren&#039;t even involved in the process.  The only complaint I recall about the lack of religion was from DH&#039;s older sister.  She was bothered it wasn&#039;t going to be in a church &amp; that we were using a judge instead of a minister of some sort.  She ended up not attending (she lives out of state).  If anyone else had any issues with our secular union, they kept them to themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When DH and I were married nearly 6 1/2 years ago we had an outdoor ceremony and reception at his uncle&#8217;s mansion.  We hired a judge who was willing to be &#8220;short and sweet and completely secular&#8221;.  We used pop/rock ballads as our music.  The flower girl &amp; I were the only ones who walked down any sort of &#8220;aisle&#8221;, the groomsmen and bridesmaids were already positioned with the groom.</p>
<p>We planned and paid for everything ourselves so our families weren&#8217;t even involved in the process.  The only complaint I recall about the lack of religion was from DH&#8217;s older sister.  She was bothered it wasn&#8217;t going to be in a church &amp; that we were using a judge instead of a minister of some sort.  She ended up not attending (she lives out of state).  If anyone else had any issues with our secular union, they kept them to themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: stephanie</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/09/19/whose-wedding-is-it/#comment-229102</link>
		<dc:creator>stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband and I got married in a historic house by a docent who&#039;d been deputized to perform weddings so the historic society could pull in a little more money to keep the place going. It was terribly romantic, and it also did a tiny bit to conserve some of the past for the future. My wedding was awesome and I still smile a bit whenever I think back to it. I can&#039;t imagine why any atheist would accept hypocrisy and pretension on a day meant to celebrate their life and life choices. 

It&#039;s your wedding and, if you&#039;re lucky, the only one you have. Make it count and make it something that gives you joy every time you remember it. Forget pleasing others, it&#039;s not their ceremony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband and I got married in a historic house by a docent who&#8217;d been deputized to perform weddings so the historic society could pull in a little more money to keep the place going. It was terribly romantic, and it also did a tiny bit to conserve some of the past for the future. My wedding was awesome and I still smile a bit whenever I think back to it. I can&#8217;t imagine why any atheist would accept hypocrisy and pretension on a day meant to celebrate their life and life choices. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s your wedding and, if you&#8217;re lucky, the only one you have. Make it count and make it something that gives you joy every time you remember it. Forget pleasing others, it&#8217;s not their ceremony.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyz</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/09/19/whose-wedding-is-it/#comment-229033</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 01:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had some issues when my husband and I first announced our intentions to become legally married...namely, we&#039;re atheists and my father is an Episcopal deacon.  When he first heard of our plans, his first question was if we were going to have him officiate the ceremony!!!  I was horrified!  Not only could I not figure out how to tell my (elderly) father about my atheism, but I had always wanted him to walk me down the aisle - and how could he do that if he were officiating?  That bothered me as much as the religion thing at the time...ultimately we ended up with a weird wedding with no aisle to walk down, and a humanist officiant.  I still think he&#039;s grumpy about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had some issues when my husband and I first announced our intentions to become legally married&#8230;namely, we&#8217;re atheists and my father is an Episcopal deacon.  When he first heard of our plans, his first question was if we were going to have him officiate the ceremony!!!  I was horrified!  Not only could I not figure out how to tell my (elderly) father about my atheism, but I had always wanted him to walk me down the aisle &#8211; and how could he do that if he were officiating?  That bothered me as much as the religion thing at the time&#8230;ultimately we ended up with a weird wedding with no aisle to walk down, and a humanist officiant.  I still think he&#8217;s grumpy about it.</p>
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		<title>By: WordNerd</title>
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		<dc:creator>WordNerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit surprise that this was picked up and generated such a huge discussion!  I did want to address David D.G., though.

In general, Mom&#039;s not a control freak at all.  Religion&#039;s the touchy subject with her, but she definitely does not try to dictate my life.  She&#039;s not as high-strung as my post might indicate -- she&#039;s actually a laid back person who is delighted that IP and I are getting married.  She knows that the wedding and marriage will happen according to our desires, but couldn&#039;t help herself in this instance.  Moreover, my ire&#039;s also directed at the event coordinator -- why push for an answer when I had already said that our ceremony would be secular?

Anyway, just wanted to chime in because it&#039;s wince-inducing to see such a sweet woman be called a control freak.  Sure, the Catholic thing is a source of tension, but she will respect the decisions IP and I make.  She loves us both to pieces and it shows.  This was probably the first and last discussion on this topic in regards to the wedding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit surprise that this was picked up and generated such a huge discussion!  I did want to address David D.G., though.</p>
<p>In general, Mom&#8217;s not a control freak at all.  Religion&#8217;s the touchy subject with her, but she definitely does not try to dictate my life.  She&#8217;s not as high-strung as my post might indicate &#8212; she&#8217;s actually a laid back person who is delighted that IP and I are getting married.  She knows that the wedding and marriage will happen according to our desires, but couldn&#8217;t help herself in this instance.  Moreover, my ire&#8217;s also directed at the event coordinator &#8212; why push for an answer when I had already said that our ceremony would be secular?</p>
<p>Anyway, just wanted to chime in because it&#8217;s wince-inducing to see such a sweet woman be called a control freak.  Sure, the Catholic thing is a source of tension, but she will respect the decisions IP and I make.  She loves us both to pieces and it shows.  This was probably the first and last discussion on this topic in regards to the wedding.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie Soule</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurie Soule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had two secular weddings and nobody seemed to have had any problem with it.  Twenty-one years ago, ex-husband (who turned out to be gay, but that&#039;s another story) and I were married by a retired judge, and two years ago, my husband and I were married by the owner of the bed and breakfast (Universal Life or Church of What&#039;s Happening Now or something) where we had the ceremony. Both weddings were outside.  

For the first wedding, the judge supplied several completely secular readings, and my ex and I just picked the one we liked. The B&amp;B owner supplied the same type of thing, and my husband and I went through and picked out the parts we liked and added things I found on the internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had two secular weddings and nobody seemed to have had any problem with it.  Twenty-one years ago, ex-husband (who turned out to be gay, but that&#8217;s another story) and I were married by a retired judge, and two years ago, my husband and I were married by the owner of the bed and breakfast (Universal Life or Church of What&#8217;s Happening Now or something) where we had the ceremony. Both weddings were outside.  </p>
<p>For the first wedding, the judge supplied several completely secular readings, and my ex and I just picked the one we liked. The B&amp;B owner supplied the same type of thing, and my husband and I went through and picked out the parts we liked and added things I found on the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: amiable</title>
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		<dc:creator>amiable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 11:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m getting married this Friday in Germany at the equivalent of a courthouse. 

My family is a little disappointed that we&#039;re not having a religious service. Most of my family doesn&#039;t know I&#039;m an atheist, but they know my fiance is not religious. 

At this point, I think they&#039;re just glad that I&#039;m finally getting hitched, so that I wont be &quot;living in sin&quot; anymore.

His family are atheists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m getting married this Friday in Germany at the equivalent of a courthouse. </p>
<p>My family is a little disappointed that we&#8217;re not having a religious service. Most of my family doesn&#8217;t know I&#8217;m an atheist, but they know my fiance is not religious. </p>
<p>At this point, I think they&#8217;re just glad that I&#8217;m finally getting hitched, so that I wont be &#8220;living in sin&#8221; anymore.</p>
<p>His family are atheists.</p>
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		<title>By: The Nerd</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Nerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 05:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We didn&#039;t invite anyone.  It&#039;s much easier to ask for &lt;strike&gt;forgiveness&lt;/strike&gt; acceptance than for &lt;strike&gt;permission&lt;/strike&gt; them not to be the controlling people they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We didn&#8217;t invite anyone.  It&#8217;s much easier to ask for <strike>forgiveness</strike> acceptance than for <strike>permission</strike> them not to be the controlling people they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 04:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I asked my mother if she would come to our non-church wedding (married by a judge in a courthouse).  She said no, so when the time came I didn&#039;t invite her (or anyone else for that matter).

She told me years later that she regretted the decision and would have come.  But then, just this past weekend she refused to attend my sister&#039;s lesbian wedding so who knows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I asked my mother if she would come to our non-church wedding (married by a judge in a courthouse).  She said no, so when the time came I didn&#8217;t invite her (or anyone else for that matter).</p>
<p>She told me years later that she regretted the decision and would have come.  But then, just this past weekend she refused to attend my sister&#8217;s lesbian wedding so who knows.</p>
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		<title>By: Audrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Audrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 03:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one said anything to us when we got married this summer about the ceremony not being at all religious. Then again, my mother did (a little passive-aggressively) announce in the Christmas letter last year that I am &quot;actively rejecting Christianity&quot; so I don&#039;t think the relatives were surprised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one said anything to us when we got married this summer about the ceremony not being at all religious. Then again, my mother did (a little passive-aggressively) announce in the Christmas letter last year that I am &#8220;actively rejecting Christianity&#8221; so I don&#8217;t think the relatives were surprised.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The short answer is no.  Only slightly longer is not to our knowledge, because my wonderful mother-in-law saw to it that we were oblivious to anything negative whatsoever.

Neither of our families is religious, though my mother still identifies as Catholic.  I think she probably came to terms with her three sons&#039; (and her husband&#039;s) lack of belief quite some time ago.  She&#039;s really the only close family member who might have had any objection to a nonreligious wedding, but she was 100% on board the whole way.

My agnostic wife and I were married in a defunct church converted to a historical society building (The Old Church) in Portland, Oregon. It&#039;s a beautiful location for any type of wedding, so long as you have no issues with a church building as a setting.  The officiant, while an ordained nondenominational minister, was utterly responsive to our wishes.  It was a fairly traditional ceremony, but with no religious content. My wife&#039;s close friend from childhood read an original poem she composed just for us, and my father read Pablo Neruda&#039;s Soneto 17 (my family&#039;s Chilean).  It was downright beautiful - objectively speaking, the best wedding I&#039;d ever been to.  And the reception following? An absolute blast.

I would recommend one thing: Resist the urge to write your vows yourself, unless you happen to be pretty damn good writers.  I&#039;ve been witness to too many people stumble over the delivery of poorly composed vows.  In our case, it was a collaborative effort with our officiant, who had extensive experience in conducting all types of ceremonies. It might have been cooler if we had committed the vows to memory, but we were very happy with how it went.

Okay, enough with the rambling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The short answer is no.  Only slightly longer is not to our knowledge, because my wonderful mother-in-law saw to it that we were oblivious to anything negative whatsoever.</p>
<p>Neither of our families is religious, though my mother still identifies as Catholic.  I think she probably came to terms with her three sons&#8217; (and her husband&#8217;s) lack of belief quite some time ago.  She&#8217;s really the only close family member who might have had any objection to a nonreligious wedding, but she was 100% on board the whole way.</p>
<p>My agnostic wife and I were married in a defunct church converted to a historical society building (The Old Church) in Portland, Oregon. It&#8217;s a beautiful location for any type of wedding, so long as you have no issues with a church building as a setting.  The officiant, while an ordained nondenominational minister, was utterly responsive to our wishes.  It was a fairly traditional ceremony, but with no religious content. My wife&#8217;s close friend from childhood read an original poem she composed just for us, and my father read Pablo Neruda&#8217;s Soneto 17 (my family&#8217;s Chilean).  It was downright beautiful &#8211; objectively speaking, the best wedding I&#8217;d ever been to.  And the reception following? An absolute blast.</p>
<p>I would recommend one thing: Resist the urge to write your vows yourself, unless you happen to be pretty damn good writers.  I&#8217;ve been witness to too many people stumble over the delivery of poorly composed vows.  In our case, it was a collaborative effort with our officiant, who had extensive experience in conducting all types of ceremonies. It might have been cooler if we had committed the vows to memory, but we were very happy with how it went.</p>
<p>Okay, enough with the rambling.</p>
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