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	<title>Comments on: Can &#8220;Showing Love&#8221; Be a Hate Crime?</title>
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		<title>By: Dear Christians &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Hypocrisy in the Church</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/09/22/can-showing-love-be-a-hate-crime/#comment-268283</link>
		<dc:creator>Dear Christians &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Hypocrisy in the Church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 14:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Word of God.  But what about this example: Pink Angels.  But here is one about vandalizing Atheist property (thanks to Hemant at FriendlyAtheist.com).  reading some of the comments defending this act of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the Word of God.  But what about this example: Pink Angels.  But here is one about vandalizing Atheist property (thanks to Hemant at FriendlyAtheist.com).  reading some of the comments defending this act of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: I ought not to say such things &#124; Edger</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/09/22/can-showing-love-be-a-hate-crime/#comment-235522</link>
		<dc:creator>I ought not to say such things &#124; Edger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] actively looking for support, I instead was told: &#8220;this is more of a love crime&#8221; from some atheists. People I expected to side with me and back me up in denouncing an act of targeted intolerance [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] actively looking for support, I instead was told: &#8220;this is more of a love crime&#8221; from some atheists. People I expected to side with me and back me up in denouncing an act of targeted intolerance [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/09/22/can-showing-love-be-a-hate-crime/#comment-235119</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, thanks again for the insightful comments and suggestions. Rather than leave the banner up (which is a bit embarassing for my group and our campus), we&#039;ve taken to repainting the banner, and making a group-bonding video out of it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q70XfsaQFY</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, thanks again for the insightful comments and suggestions. Rather than leave the banner up (which is a bit embarassing for my group and our campus), we&#8217;ve taken to repainting the banner, and making a group-bonding video out of it:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q70XfsaQFY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q70XfsaQFY</a></p>
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		<title>By: Abiz206</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/09/22/can-showing-love-be-a-hate-crime/#comment-230913</link>
		<dc:creator>Abiz206</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 03:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think thats seriously wrong to vandalize like that....
ticks me off, and Im a Christian...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think thats seriously wrong to vandalize like that&#8230;.<br />
ticks me off, and Im a Christian&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Hinman</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/09/22/can-showing-love-be-a-hate-crime/#comment-230174</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Hinman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 03:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a member of the Society of Edmonton Atheists, and I support Ian&#039;s assessment of the crime.  It is ironic that a poster promoting atheists coming forward and to not be afraid was defaced in such a manner.

&quot;Jesus is coming&quot; despite rationalizations to the contrary is a threatening statement.  It has been used in the past to imply the end is near including the final judgment.  While this may not have the more immediate impact of an inverted swastika on a synagogue or a burning cross on the lawn of a non-caucasian homeowner the threat is still there.

The &quot;Out Campaign&quot; is trying to encourage atheists and non-believers to fight past the fear of reprisal.  Atheists can experience varying degrees of discrimination from financial loss up to bodily harm for our beliefs(or lack thereof).  Fortunately vandalism is likely the worst we can expect in Edmonton, there are places where death is a consequence of voicing ourselves (just ask Ayaan Hirsi Ali).

Some of you have expressed that &quot;Hate Crime&quot; may not be the correct term, but considering the intent was to invoke harm in the form of fear against a targeted group the definition fits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a member of the Society of Edmonton Atheists, and I support Ian&#8217;s assessment of the crime.  It is ironic that a poster promoting atheists coming forward and to not be afraid was defaced in such a manner.</p>
<p>&#8220;Jesus is coming&#8221; despite rationalizations to the contrary is a threatening statement.  It has been used in the past to imply the end is near including the final judgment.  While this may not have the more immediate impact of an inverted swastika on a synagogue or a burning cross on the lawn of a non-caucasian homeowner the threat is still there.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Out Campaign&#8221; is trying to encourage atheists and non-believers to fight past the fear of reprisal.  Atheists can experience varying degrees of discrimination from financial loss up to bodily harm for our beliefs(or lack thereof).  Fortunately vandalism is likely the worst we can expect in Edmonton, there are places where death is a consequence of voicing ourselves (just ask Ayaan Hirsi Ali).</p>
<p>Some of you have expressed that &#8220;Hate Crime&#8221; may not be the correct term, but considering the intent was to invoke harm in the form of fear against a targeted group the definition fits.</p>
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		<title>By: I called it what it was &#124; Terahertz</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/09/22/can-showing-love-be-a-hate-crime/#comment-229918</link>
		<dc:creator>I called it what it was &#124; Terahertz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 05:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] also forwarded the press release and a picture of the damage to Friendly Atheist and Pharyngula who posted on it.  A number of other blogs also covered the issue (thanks to all of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] also forwarded the press release and a picture of the damage to Friendly Atheist and Pharyngula who posted on it.  A number of other blogs also covered the issue (thanks to all of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wade</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/09/22/can-showing-love-be-a-hate-crime/#comment-229807</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian, you have the opportunity to take the high road here and actually improve the atmosphere on campus. Otherwise it will probably continue to deteriorate into more resentment and enmity.

Keep the banner up and put up a sign near it saying something like: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;Is vandalism an example of Christian love? Please come talk with us.  Let&#039;s come to  understand each other.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
Re-attach the email and website info and propose a time and place for dialogue. Graciously invite the various theist groups. Stress that any group is subject to such mistreatment as long as it is permissible to mistreat one. Provide refreshments and be a good host.

Your group can be a force for positivism, tolerance and rationality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian, you have the opportunity to take the high road here and actually improve the atmosphere on campus. Otherwise it will probably continue to deteriorate into more resentment and enmity.</p>
<p>Keep the banner up and put up a sign near it saying something like: </p>
<blockquote><p>Is vandalism an example of Christian love? Please come talk with us.  Let&#8217;s come to  understand each other.</p></blockquote>
<p>Re-attach the email and website info and propose a time and place for dialogue. Graciously invite the various theist groups. Stress that any group is subject to such mistreatment as long as it is permissible to mistreat one. Provide refreshments and be a good host.</p>
<p>Your group can be a force for positivism, tolerance and rationality.</p>
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		<title>By: JSug</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/09/22/can-showing-love-be-a-hate-crime/#comment-229755</link>
		<dc:creator>JSug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, it&#039;s basically: &quot;God loves you...  but I hate your guts, so I&#039;m defacing your sign.&quot;

Ian-
If you set up a PayPal account for donations, I&#039;d be happy to make a small contribution towards a new sign.  I&#039;m sure I&#039;m not alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it&#8217;s basically: &#8220;God loves you&#8230;  but I hate your guts, so I&#8217;m defacing your sign.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ian-<br />
If you set up a PayPal account for donations, I&#8217;d be happy to make a small contribution towards a new sign.  I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;m not alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Pamela</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/09/22/can-showing-love-be-a-hate-crime/#comment-229748</link>
		<dc:creator>Pamela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This just shows what hypocrites most Christians are. Totally juvenile, as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This just shows what hypocrites most Christians are. Totally juvenile, as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/09/22/can-showing-love-be-a-hate-crime/#comment-229742</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David D.G., 

You and so many others have nailed it on the head.  There is no love in what has been done.  

Instead of showing God&#039;s love, which somehow these people thought they were doing; what they have really done is portray God as intolerant and hateful.

I write as a Christian, who does believe in God.  I also believe that Jesus is the Son of God.  The biblical text makes it clear that when Jesus Christ, who we as Christians describe as &quot;God in flesh,&quot; walked upon this earth He was not disrespectful or intolerant toward those who did not process to know God.  Instead, he reserved his harshest criticism for those who claimed to know him (the religious).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David D.G., </p>
<p>You and so many others have nailed it on the head.  There is no love in what has been done.  </p>
<p>Instead of showing God&#8217;s love, which somehow these people thought they were doing; what they have really done is portray God as intolerant and hateful.</p>
<p>I write as a Christian, who does believe in God.  I also believe that Jesus is the Son of God.  The biblical text makes it clear that when Jesus Christ, who we as Christians describe as &#8220;God in flesh,&#8221; walked upon this earth He was not disrespectful or intolerant toward those who did not process to know God.  Instead, he reserved his harshest criticism for those who claimed to know him (the religious).</p>
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