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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 21:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My 4 yr old recently told me that church is &quot;where you go to talk about goddammit and all that stuff, but it is just a story.&quot;  (oops on my cursing habit)

But I love it!!  My parents get so mad that she isn&#039;t in sunday school, and so I told them that I plan to teach her about all the bible stories.  Since they have a big presence in our culture I would like her to know about them at least.  But to my fundy xtian parents, I told them that, &quot;Don&#039;t worry, I plan on teaching her ALL the fairy tales, not just the ones in the bible.&quot;  I thought it was funny, them-not so much.  Oh well.  

They ARE fairy tales, so...I am right!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My 4 yr old recently told me that church is &#8220;where you go to talk about goddammit and all that stuff, but it is just a story.&#8221;  (oops on my cursing habit)</p>
<p>But I love it!!  My parents get so mad that she isn&#8217;t in sunday school, and so I told them that I plan to teach her about all the bible stories.  Since they have a big presence in our culture I would like her to know about them at least.  But to my fundy xtian parents, I told them that, &#8220;Don&#8217;t worry, I plan on teaching her ALL the fairy tales, not just the ones in the bible.&#8221;  I thought it was funny, them-not so much.  Oh well.  </p>
<p>They ARE fairy tales, so&#8230;I am right!</p>
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		<title>By: Killer Bee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Killer Bee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 21:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;where they learned bible stories and went to chapel.&lt;/blockquote&gt; I think there are many advantages to growing up with a knowledge of Biblical stories and the moral lessons of the Bible.

For example:
When I was a little boy, I had a fight with one of my friends while playing over at his house. His parents took his side and demanded that I apologize and ask his forgiveness for my sinning because that&#039;s what God commands in the Good Book. I asked them if I could see this book.

After studying a bit, I straightaway took hold of his parakeet and made amends pursuant to the method laid out by God in Leviticus 5:8-10. To my dismay, he only had the one bird when the instructions called for 2. I made do, but evidently it wasn&#039;t enough. I never saw him again.
I never forgot the important lesson of always having extra supplies on hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>where they learned bible stories and went to chapel.</p></blockquote>
<p> I think there are many advantages to growing up with a knowledge of Biblical stories and the moral lessons of the Bible.</p>
<p>For example:<br />
When I was a little boy, I had a fight with one of my friends while playing over at his house. His parents took his side and demanded that I apologize and ask his forgiveness for my sinning because that&#8217;s what God commands in the Good Book. I asked them if I could see this book.</p>
<p>After studying a bit, I straightaway took hold of his parakeet and made amends pursuant to the method laid out by God in Leviticus 5:8-10. To my dismay, he only had the one bird when the instructions called for 2. I made do, but evidently it wasn&#8217;t enough. I never saw him again.<br />
I never forgot the important lesson of always having extra supplies on hand.</p>
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		<title>By: George Laritz</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Laritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 21:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evangelicals pull no punches - not even with kids, so if you do, you&#039;re in trouble. They&#039;ll use guilt-tripping, scare tactics, warped logic, etc. Christians are an &quot;ends justify the means&quot; people, so anything (however evil) is validated by the perceived good of a saved soul. The caveat now is the law, and plenty evil can be done in that constraint (look at the government). While you don&#039;t have to always vilify Christianity, there&#039;s no &quot;harmless&quot; introduction if it is unsupervised or on their turf, for there will always be the ulterior motive of a new convert. Let your kids know what&#039;s out there and how to combat it, and make them aware that Christianity, for all its morals, uses unfair methods of transmission. Infection starts imperceptively, but before you know it, your loved one can&#039;t walk on his or her own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evangelicals pull no punches &#8211; not even with kids, so if you do, you&#8217;re in trouble. They&#8217;ll use guilt-tripping, scare tactics, warped logic, etc. Christians are an &#8220;ends justify the means&#8221; people, so anything (however evil) is validated by the perceived good of a saved soul. The caveat now is the law, and plenty evil can be done in that constraint (look at the government). While you don&#8217;t have to always vilify Christianity, there&#8217;s no &#8220;harmless&#8221; introduction if it is unsupervised or on their turf, for there will always be the ulterior motive of a new convert. Let your kids know what&#8217;s out there and how to combat it, and make them aware that Christianity, for all its morals, uses unfair methods of transmission. Infection starts imperceptively, but before you know it, your loved one can&#8217;t walk on his or her own.</p>
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		<title>By: T's Grammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>T's Grammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The big question is why?  

I find the claim that we&#039;re brainwashing our children if we don&#039;t teach them their (and why is the their always Christian) religion absurd.  As stated above, I didn&#039;t send my daughter to a Klan meeting to give her the other side of the story, why would I send her to church?

My daughter was unchurched and somehow managed to avoid becoming a juvenile delinquent or a teen mom.  Gee?  Could it be because I taught her to use her brain?

So far, my 5-year-old grandson is unchurched.  May he stay that way.  I&#039;m not worried about his being brainwashed.  He&#039;s smart as a whip and a stubborn, rebellious cuss like his Grammy but, hell, why subject him to vile nonsense?  And I remember church when I was a kid.  Pretty much amounts to child abuse.  Terrify kids with Grand Theft Auto and they yell for censorship; terrify kids with hellfire and brimstone, and they call it religion.

Whenever I hear Atheists say this I always wonder are you that terrified of the religious majority?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The big question is why?  </p>
<p>I find the claim that we&#8217;re brainwashing our children if we don&#8217;t teach them their (and why is the their always Christian) religion absurd.  As stated above, I didn&#8217;t send my daughter to a Klan meeting to give her the other side of the story, why would I send her to church?</p>
<p>My daughter was unchurched and somehow managed to avoid becoming a juvenile delinquent or a teen mom.  Gee?  Could it be because I taught her to use her brain?</p>
<p>So far, my 5-year-old grandson is unchurched.  May he stay that way.  I&#8217;m not worried about his being brainwashed.  He&#8217;s smart as a whip and a stubborn, rebellious cuss like his Grammy but, hell, why subject him to vile nonsense?  And I remember church when I was a kid.  Pretty much amounts to child abuse.  Terrify kids with Grand Theft Auto and they yell for censorship; terrify kids with hellfire and brimstone, and they call it religion.</p>
<p>Whenever I hear Atheists say this I always wonder are you that terrified of the religious majority?</p>
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		<title>By: James D. Fich</title>
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		<dc:creator>James D. Fich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an issue I&#039;ve struggled with since before I became a parent.  No one else in my family is an atheist and they were very upset by the thought that I would raise my children as such.  What I&#039;ve decided to do is raise them to have as much of an open mind as possible.
My children are 6 and 8.  I take them to school every morning and it has become our question time.  They ask things that they are curious about, and I try and give them as complete an answer as I know.  When it comes to matters of religion or spirituality, I usually preface my answers with &quot;Some people believe...&quot;  At that point I&#039;ll tell them the culturally common explanation.  But I don&#039;t stop there.  If I can, I go on to explain what other cultures and religions believe and what we &quot;know&quot; scientifically.  That way they learn from the outset that there are multiple beliefs.  If the question is a straight up &quot;how come this happens?&quot; type question, I go straight to the science.
I haven&#039;t really explained that *I* don&#039;t believe in gods to them yet, but when they get old enough to ask directly what I believe or think, I&#039;ll be honest with them, just like I have been so far.
-JDF
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an issue I&#8217;ve struggled with since before I became a parent.  No one else in my family is an atheist and they were very upset by the thought that I would raise my children as such.  What I&#8217;ve decided to do is raise them to have as much of an open mind as possible.<br />
My children are 6 and 8.  I take them to school every morning and it has become our question time.  They ask things that they are curious about, and I try and give them as complete an answer as I know.  When it comes to matters of religion or spirituality, I usually preface my answers with &#8220;Some people believe&#8230;&#8221;  At that point I&#8217;ll tell them the culturally common explanation.  But I don&#8217;t stop there.  If I can, I go on to explain what other cultures and religions believe and what we &#8220;know&#8221; scientifically.  That way they learn from the outset that there are multiple beliefs.  If the question is a straight up &#8220;how come this happens?&#8221; type question, I go straight to the science.<br />
I haven&#8217;t really explained that *I* don&#8217;t believe in gods to them yet, but when they get old enough to ask directly what I believe or think, I&#8217;ll be honest with them, just like I have been so far.<br />
-JDF<br />
<a href="http://rationallyright.com" rel="nofollow">http://rationallyright.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: jet</title>
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		<dc:creator>jet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kids are much more critical than we give them credit for.  About a year ago I was volunteering at a special needs pre-school, and it was Easter time.  One of the little girls came to me, and asked why we painted eggs during Easter.  It didn&#039;t make any sense to her.  At a kindergarten I had a number of kids question Santa.  I don&#039;t think that exposing them to religion is harmful at all.  Indoctrination works both ways.  Exposing a child to only one side is just dishonest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kids are much more critical than we give them credit for.  About a year ago I was volunteering at a special needs pre-school, and it was Easter time.  One of the little girls came to me, and asked why we painted eggs during Easter.  It didn&#8217;t make any sense to her.  At a kindergarten I had a number of kids question Santa.  I don&#8217;t think that exposing them to religion is harmful at all.  Indoctrination works both ways.  Exposing a child to only one side is just dishonest.</p>
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		<title>By: Beijingrrl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beijingrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a 4-year-old and an 8-year-old.  I do want them to make up their own minds, but I do hope they don&#039;t end up religious.  I will accept it if they do.  I expose them to different religions and began a more formal study last year with the elder child.  My kids know what my husband and I think about religion.  They also know that other people, including family members, have different views.  When my kids ask the &quot;big questions&quot;, I tell them what we know scientifically, what I think and then what other people might think.  I then ask them what they think and we discuss how our views differ.

My only issue with what the author is doing is that it appears that she is only exposing her kids to one idea about religion.  Since she is not talking about her own views and not taking her child to various religious places of worship, I would be concerned that her children will except the brand of Christianity they are exposed to as the default base of religious ideas to which all other ideas would be compared.  I suppose my own kids will have &quot;no religion&quot; as their default and compare other religious ideas against that, which to me is preferable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a 4-year-old and an 8-year-old.  I do want them to make up their own minds, but I do hope they don&#8217;t end up religious.  I will accept it if they do.  I expose them to different religions and began a more formal study last year with the elder child.  My kids know what my husband and I think about religion.  They also know that other people, including family members, have different views.  When my kids ask the &#8220;big questions&#8221;, I tell them what we know scientifically, what I think and then what other people might think.  I then ask them what they think and we discuss how our views differ.</p>
<p>My only issue with what the author is doing is that it appears that she is only exposing her kids to one idea about religion.  Since she is not talking about her own views and not taking her child to various religious places of worship, I would be concerned that her children will except the brand of Christianity they are exposed to as the default base of religious ideas to which all other ideas would be compared.  I suppose my own kids will have &#8220;no religion&#8221; as their default and compare other religious ideas against that, which to me is preferable.</p>
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		<title>By: Elles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My parents took me to a baptist church when I was a &#039;lil one (in part because my pre-school teacher was an evangelical Christian and friend of the family). I still remember the song, &quot;Jesus loves me this I know, because the Bible tells me so&quot; but other than that no major damage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My parents took me to a baptist church when I was a &#8216;lil one (in part because my pre-school teacher was an evangelical Christian and friend of the family). I still remember the song, &#8220;Jesus loves me this I know, because the Bible tells me so&#8221; but other than that no major damage.</p>
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		<title>By: End-of-Silence.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How Much Should You Expose Your Children to Church?</title>
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		<dc:creator>End-of-Silence.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How Much Should You Expose Your Children to Church?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Keep your children away from churches at all costs! It is brainwashing, simply put. My old day-care provider tried to brainwash my kid as well, and I got rid of her right away. Once you are an adult, fill you boots, but keep kids out of church.   [From Friendly Atheist » How Much Should You Expose Your Children to Church?] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Keep your children away from churches at all costs! It is brainwashing, simply put. My old day-care provider tried to brainwash my kid as well, and I got rid of her right away. Once you are an adult, fill you boots, but keep kids out of church.   [From Friendly Atheist » How Much Should You Expose Your Children to Church?] [...]</p>
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		<title>By: aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it &quot;open-minded&quot; of me to expose my children to, or be tolerant of their development into, racism or racists? 

How quaint, open-minded, and so liberal of me, no? 

&lt;em&gt;Give me a break.&lt;/em&gt;

I&#039;ll take my child to get his shots so that he&#039;ll be immune to diseases and viruses that kill and maim other children with horrible sicknesses who do not get their needed inoculations; So too, critical thinking may be all you ever need to expose your children to in order to inoculate them from harmful mental diseases and mind-viruses; to wit: infectious and pernicious supernaturalisms of all varieties and forms.

However, unlike inoculations via the syringe against disease, the inoculations administered in the service of mental health and of mental hygiene can be administered as often and as heavy in dosage as one wishes. 

I&#039;ll kindly spare my child KKK rallies, the &lt;em&gt;Adhan&lt;/em&gt;, the &lt;em&gt;Amidah&lt;/em&gt;, Scientology &quot;Auditing&quot;, the handling of snakes, the clanging of church bells overhead, etc.  until they are strong mentally enough to discern truth and falsity: for my children, matchbox cars will come before I hand the keys of my Toyota, thank you. I don&#039;t need to facilitate indoctrination; they&#039;ll be barraged with enough nonsense throughout their lives... loving, freethinking parents need not do the job of demagogues, sophists, and liars in the absence of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it &#8220;open-minded&#8221; of me to expose my children to, or be tolerant of their development into, racism or racists? </p>
<p>How quaint, open-minded, and so liberal of me, no? </p>
<p><em>Give me a break.</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;ll take my child to get his shots so that he&#8217;ll be immune to diseases and viruses that kill and maim other children with horrible sicknesses who do not get their needed inoculations; So too, critical thinking may be all you ever need to expose your children to in order to inoculate them from harmful mental diseases and mind-viruses; to wit: infectious and pernicious supernaturalisms of all varieties and forms.</p>
<p>However, unlike inoculations via the syringe against disease, the inoculations administered in the service of mental health and of mental hygiene can be administered as often and as heavy in dosage as one wishes. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll kindly spare my child KKK rallies, the <em>Adhan</em>, the <em>Amidah</em>, Scientology &#8220;Auditing&#8221;, the handling of snakes, the clanging of church bells overhead, etc.  until they are strong mentally enough to discern truth and falsity: for my children, matchbox cars will come before I hand the keys of my Toyota, thank you. I don&#8217;t need to facilitate indoctrination; they&#8217;ll be barraged with enough nonsense throughout their lives&#8230; loving, freethinking parents need not do the job of demagogues, sophists, and liars in the absence of them.</p>
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