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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been to four separate Planned Parenthoods, and two of them had regular protesters that I was aware of.  The first one specifically mentioned them as being there on Saturdays, and would I rather avoid them and come in on Thursday?  The second one had two guys separately protesting, and it did freak me out that they 1. knew my license plate 2. had access to my car while I was in the building that was in its own space, with a small parking lot and no other shops nearby.  Of course, that one I had helped get built, by counter-protesting the protesters, so I wasn&#039;t going to back down, and the security measures, including bullet-proof glass, certainly comforted me.

My guess is that most of these 268 women either rescheduled, came back later in the day, or choose to go to a different, less visible clinic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been to four separate Planned Parenthoods, and two of them had regular protesters that I was aware of.  The first one specifically mentioned them as being there on Saturdays, and would I rather avoid them and come in on Thursday?  The second one had two guys separately protesting, and it did freak me out that they 1. knew my license plate 2. had access to my car while I was in the building that was in its own space, with a small parking lot and no other shops nearby.  Of course, that one I had helped get built, by counter-protesting the protesters, so I wasn&#8217;t going to back down, and the security measures, including bullet-proof glass, certainly comforted me.</p>
<p>My guess is that most of these 268 women either rescheduled, came back later in the day, or choose to go to a different, less visible clinic.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately some of the 268 spared from abortion won&#039;t be spared from miscarriage...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately some of the 268 spared from abortion won&#8217;t be spared from miscarriage&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: T's Grammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>T's Grammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too am pro-choice because I am a mother.  Nothing like giving birth to wake you up to the reality of it.  My daughter was wanted and planned but childbirth (and I admit I had complications, including a blood transfusion, that in an earlier day might have killed me) was hell.  My daughter&#039;s about to turn 26 and I&#039;m still thinking no woman that doesn&#039;t want a child should have to go through this.  

Not too mention caring for that child once it gets here.  They like to say put it up for adoption but, hell, I think that would be far more traumatic than aborting one.  Abortion is final, it&#039;s over, no baby.  Put one up for adoption and you&#039;d spend the rest of your life wondering about it and if they are being treated well.  Well, I know I would.

We never do hear they might have grown up to be a crook, a pervert or some other slime -- only that bullshit about they may grow up to be president (so what, this country won&#039;t have one without them?) or discover a cure for cancer.  No reality check that an unwanted baby is far more likely to be screwed up emotionally than one welcomed into this world and loving arms.

Elsin, sympathies to your daughter.  What a truly awful thing she had to endure.  No victim of rape or incest should be forced to have the creep&#039;s baby.  That&#039;s an individual choice she&#039;d have to make but to force them to have it is just cruel and inhuman.  I&#039;m old enough to remember when the anti-abortion nutters used to at least recognize that by couching it with except in cases of rape or incest.  When we called them on that, suddenly, it wasn&#039;t even acceptable then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too am pro-choice because I am a mother.  Nothing like giving birth to wake you up to the reality of it.  My daughter was wanted and planned but childbirth (and I admit I had complications, including a blood transfusion, that in an earlier day might have killed me) was hell.  My daughter&#8217;s about to turn 26 and I&#8217;m still thinking no woman that doesn&#8217;t want a child should have to go through this.  </p>
<p>Not too mention caring for that child once it gets here.  They like to say put it up for adoption but, hell, I think that would be far more traumatic than aborting one.  Abortion is final, it&#8217;s over, no baby.  Put one up for adoption and you&#8217;d spend the rest of your life wondering about it and if they are being treated well.  Well, I know I would.</p>
<p>We never do hear they might have grown up to be a crook, a pervert or some other slime &#8212; only that bullshit about they may grow up to be president (so what, this country won&#8217;t have one without them?) or discover a cure for cancer.  No reality check that an unwanted baby is far more likely to be screwed up emotionally than one welcomed into this world and loving arms.</p>
<p>Elsin, sympathies to your daughter.  What a truly awful thing she had to endure.  No victim of rape or incest should be forced to have the creep&#8217;s baby.  That&#8217;s an individual choice she&#8217;d have to make but to force them to have it is just cruel and inhuman.  I&#8217;m old enough to remember when the anti-abortion nutters used to at least recognize that by couching it with except in cases of rape or incest.  When we called them on that, suddenly, it wasn&#8217;t even acceptable then.</p>
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		<title>By: Alice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to know a guy who was on a pro-life activist team, and they would go every weekend to try to talk women out of abortions.  They succeeded once, and I wonder what that woman is up to now...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to know a guy who was on a pro-life activist team, and they would go every weekend to try to talk women out of abortions.  They succeeded once, and I wonder what that woman is up to now&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Polly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Polly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, if they want to reduce abortions, the USA is one of the least effective places to start. They&#039;d do better to target Asia (by far) and then Eastern Europe.

The fasting is part of &quot;spiritual warfare.&quot; They believe they are channeling the Holy Spirit more strongly when they fast.

The 268 are probably those women who were convinced by their efforts not to go through with the abortion as reported by those on the scene.

Ironically, these are usually the same people who oppose condomns in high schools, comprehensive sex-ed, and who vote for &quot;small-government&quot; that makes carrying to term a much more improbable feat for many poor women.
I don&#039;t doubt the statement by Aurora Jewell. Sadly, it&#039;s the &quot;abortionists&quot; who tend to do more to actually reduce abortions. Where will the 40-Days-for-Life people be when the girls/women need pre-natal care and at delivery time and afterward? They&#039;ve voted for Republicans in order to have justices installed into the supreme court to overturn Roe v. Wade. Those same Republicans oppose anything that helps the middle class and below as well as &quot;socialized&quot; health care. But, of course, socialized banking, socialized weapons development, socialized bribing of foreign nations, socialized farming, etc is spot on.
(The Democrats aren&#039;t any better. But, at least they&#039;re paying lip service to the people.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, if they want to reduce abortions, the USA is one of the least effective places to start. They&#8217;d do better to target Asia (by far) and then Eastern Europe.</p>
<p>The fasting is part of &#8220;spiritual warfare.&#8221; They believe they are channeling the Holy Spirit more strongly when they fast.</p>
<p>The 268 are probably those women who were convinced by their efforts not to go through with the abortion as reported by those on the scene.</p>
<p>Ironically, these are usually the same people who oppose condomns in high schools, comprehensive sex-ed, and who vote for &#8220;small-government&#8221; that makes carrying to term a much more improbable feat for many poor women.<br />
I don&#8217;t doubt the statement by Aurora Jewell. Sadly, it&#8217;s the &#8220;abortionists&#8221; who tend to do more to actually reduce abortions. Where will the 40-Days-for-Life people be when the girls/women need pre-natal care and at delivery time and afterward? They&#8217;ve voted for Republicans in order to have justices installed into the supreme court to overturn Roe v. Wade. Those same Republicans oppose anything that helps the middle class and below as well as &#8220;socialized&#8221; health care. But, of course, socialized banking, socialized weapons development, socialized bribing of foreign nations, socialized farming, etc is spot on.<br />
(The Democrats aren&#8217;t any better. But, at least they&#8217;re paying lip service to the people.)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonnie Mouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonnie Mouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ITA with Aj. I have received a lot of flack for being both a mother and pro-choice. The key word I focus on is CHOICE. Choice doesn&#039;t mean I think everyone should run out and get abortions, it means I trust another woman to know what is and isn&#039;t right for herself, and make a decision whether or not she wants to carry a pregnancy. I am pro-choice because I am a mother, not in spite of it. I know how challenging, draining and downright effing hard parenting can be a lot of the time, and I wouldn&#039;t wish it on anyone who was unsupported and unprepared, let alone traumatized by rape or incest.

Ok, off my soapbox now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ITA with Aj. I have received a lot of flack for being both a mother and pro-choice. The key word I focus on is CHOICE. Choice doesn&#8217;t mean I think everyone should run out and get abortions, it means I trust another woman to know what is and isn&#8217;t right for herself, and make a decision whether or not she wants to carry a pregnancy. I am pro-choice because I am a mother, not in spite of it. I know how challenging, draining and downright effing hard parenting can be a lot of the time, and I wouldn&#8217;t wish it on anyone who was unsupported and unprepared, let alone traumatized by rape or incest.</p>
<p>Ok, off my soapbox now!</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have quit a few freaks here in the Omaha/Bellevue Nebraska area. In Bellevue they protest with pictures of dead babies (they look kinda fake). This is right across from a &quot;good Catholic&quot; school. They also drive a large semi with the same pictures through neighborhoods. The last thime they were confronted about this the started screaming &quot;free speech&quot;. My wife, who is from Russia, summed it up pretty well. We have so many &quot;rights&quot; in this country that people really don&#039;t know what they are, mean or how to use them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have quit a few freaks here in the Omaha/Bellevue Nebraska area. In Bellevue they protest with pictures of dead babies (they look kinda fake). This is right across from a &#8220;good Catholic&#8221; school. They also drive a large semi with the same pictures through neighborhoods. The last thime they were confronted about this the started screaming &#8220;free speech&#8221;. My wife, who is from Russia, summed it up pretty well. We have so many &#8220;rights&#8221; in this country that people really don&#8217;t know what they are, mean or how to use them.</p>
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		<title>By: GDad</title>
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		<dc:creator>GDad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The human factor is almost overwhelming here, so I&#039;m going to deal with that part offline.  One question in my mind, though, is how they knew that none of the 268 women were carrying twins (or more).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The human factor is almost overwhelming here, so I&#8217;m going to deal with that part offline.  One question in my mind, though, is how they knew that none of the 268 women were carrying twins (or more).</p>
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		<title>By: writerdd</title>
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		<dc:creator>writerdd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how many of those &quot;saved&quot; babies will be thrown in dumpsters, beaten, sexually abused, ignored, neglected, or otherwise physically or emotionally damaged by the parents who didn&#039;t want them in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how many of those &#8220;saved&#8221; babies will be thrown in dumpsters, beaten, sexually abused, ignored, neglected, or otherwise physically or emotionally damaged by the parents who didn&#8217;t want them in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan Armitage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dylan Armitage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re in my town too! (Fresno, CA)

I was beginning to wonder about them, especially after the first week.

And for some reason, all it made me want to do was visit Planned Parenthood every day I drove by. Actually, I think I will do that now, and leave a little donation too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re in my town too! (Fresno, CA)</p>
<p>I was beginning to wonder about them, especially after the first week.</p>
<p>And for some reason, all it made me want to do was visit Planned Parenthood every day I drove by. Actually, I think I will do that now, and leave a little donation too.</p>
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