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	<title>Comments on: Campus Atheist Group Censored in Idaho</title>
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		<title>By: The Supremes got it right this time &#124; Being Latino Online Magazine</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/10/31/campus-atheist-group-censored-in-idaho/#comment-684814</link>
		<dc:creator>The Supremes got it right this time &#124; Being Latino Online Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 20:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on where you live. In secular New England, I’m safer than in other parts of the country to criticize religion and its influence in government and society. As a Latino, I’m glad that I live in a place with a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on where you live. In secular New England, I’m safer than in other parts of the country to criticize religion and its influence in government and society. As a Latino, I’m glad that I live in a place with a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: teammarty</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/10/31/campus-atheist-group-censored-in-idaho/#comment-243932</link>
		<dc:creator>teammarty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just love all  the &quot;oooo we shouldn&#039;t upset the Christians&quot;  stuff. Maybe we should just give up our freedom and pretent we believe.  Then we can really be Americans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just love all  the &#8220;oooo we shouldn&#8217;t upset the Christians&#8221;  stuff. Maybe we should just give up our freedom and pretent we believe.  Then we can really be Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: Lew Payne</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/10/31/campus-atheist-group-censored-in-idaho/#comment-242736</link>
		<dc:creator>Lew Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Lloyd already pointed out, the LDS student group had a booth at the event, and was thus representing religion.

What I find interesting is that some people on here believe the sign was inflammatory and not suited to conveying a friendly atheist message.  First, what I find interesting is that each religion might find the sign offensive for a DIFFERENT REASON.  The LDS might consider it an affront and insult to Joseph Smith or their current prophet; the Christians to Jesus; the Scientologists to Xenu the Giant Clam; and the Pastafarians to their Flying Spaghetti Monster.

I have one word for all this - grow up, America.  This isn&#039;t a &quot;nice&quot; world... and religion has gotten a free pass at insulting and putting non-believers down for too long now.  Asking a question which makes most superstitious (aka religious) people angry is more than appropriate, just as preachers find it okay to espouse their sermon topic on the signboard outside their church (&quot;get saved or go to hell...&quot;).  Tit for tat.  Grow up, America.

Since when did we have to begin sugar-coating the truth, anyway?  It sounds to me like some of you disagree with the tactics, which is a purely subjective objection.  None of you have quarreled with the message itself.  Truth is an absolute defense.  I&#039;m sorry to see that some of you are okay with discarding the truth in order to be &quot;politically correct.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Lloyd already pointed out, the LDS student group had a booth at the event, and was thus representing religion.</p>
<p>What I find interesting is that some people on here believe the sign was inflammatory and not suited to conveying a friendly atheist message.  First, what I find interesting is that each religion might find the sign offensive for a DIFFERENT REASON.  The LDS might consider it an affront and insult to Joseph Smith or their current prophet; the Christians to Jesus; the Scientologists to Xenu the Giant Clam; and the Pastafarians to their Flying Spaghetti Monster.</p>
<p>I have one word for all this &#8211; grow up, America.  This isn&#8217;t a &#8220;nice&#8221; world&#8230; and religion has gotten a free pass at insulting and putting non-believers down for too long now.  Asking a question which makes most superstitious (aka religious) people angry is more than appropriate, just as preachers find it okay to espouse their sermon topic on the signboard outside their church (&#8220;get saved or go to hell&#8230;&#8221;).  Tit for tat.  Grow up, America.</p>
<p>Since when did we have to begin sugar-coating the truth, anyway?  It sounds to me like some of you disagree with the tactics, which is a purely subjective objection.  None of you have quarreled with the message itself.  Truth is an absolute defense.  I&#8217;m sorry to see that some of you are okay with discarding the truth in order to be &#8220;politically correct.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: «bønez_brigade»</title>
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		<dc:creator>«bønez_brigade»</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Yes they have the right to display that banner, but honestly, why?&quot;

Ummm, b/c many atheists are fucking tired of being told when/where they can speak.  A swift kick of rational thought is exactly what lots of religious folks need.


Final count of the poll:
Partial censorship,	3%
No censorship,  	96%
Full censorship,	1%</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yes they have the right to display that banner, but honestly, why?&#8221;</p>
<p>Ummm, b/c many atheists are fucking tired of being told when/where they can speak.  A swift kick of rational thought is exactly what lots of religious folks need.</p>
<p>Final count of the poll:<br />
Partial censorship,	3%<br />
No censorship,  	96%<br />
Full censorship,	1%</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/10/31/campus-atheist-group-censored-in-idaho/#comment-242258</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 17:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>-sigh- I know that I would be insulted if I were religious. Yes they have the right to display that banner, but honestly, why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>-sigh- I know that I would be insulted if I were religious. Yes they have the right to display that banner, but honestly, why?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The banner reminds me of what is known as The Jesus People movement of the late 60s. We used to go on the campus which was a very unfriendly environment for Christians in those days and say things similar to this - Our slogans were just as inciting but with obviously a different spin

&quot;My God&#039;s Not Dead - Sorry About Yours&quot;

Of course I agree that it was stupid for the campus people (who yes in that section of the country will be more religiously conservative - Biggest group is probably Mormons but they tend to lay off since they&#039;ve gotten picked on so much by evangelicals as well.

So if you want to fight it politically go for it - but that is only one (long drawn out spproach) 

Since cynicism doesn&#039;t sell and people generally dont like to be made fun of 
even if they agree with you - I suggest hosting a dialog between an atheist and a Christian who actually like and respect each other (ring any bells)

Then people can choose who they like - the &quot;there is no God crowd&quot; or the &quot;imaginary friends crowd&quot; I think it would surprise everyone and make for good will on the campus (something almost no one will resist) and I predict the Secular Student groups mission of providing support for people who are tired of pretending that there is a God and increasing their numbers will be accomplished 

I think I&#039;ve read a book by someone who knows something about this approach - I Sold My Soul on Ebay or something like that</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The banner reminds me of what is known as The Jesus People movement of the late 60s. We used to go on the campus which was a very unfriendly environment for Christians in those days and say things similar to this &#8211; Our slogans were just as inciting but with obviously a different spin</p>
<p>&#8220;My God&#8217;s Not Dead &#8211; Sorry About Yours&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course I agree that it was stupid for the campus people (who yes in that section of the country will be more religiously conservative &#8211; Biggest group is probably Mormons but they tend to lay off since they&#8217;ve gotten picked on so much by evangelicals as well.</p>
<p>So if you want to fight it politically go for it &#8211; but that is only one (long drawn out spproach) </p>
<p>Since cynicism doesn&#8217;t sell and people generally dont like to be made fun of<br />
even if they agree with you &#8211; I suggest hosting a dialog between an atheist and a Christian who actually like and respect each other (ring any bells)</p>
<p>Then people can choose who they like &#8211; the &#8220;there is no God crowd&#8221; or the &#8220;imaginary friends crowd&#8221; I think it would surprise everyone and make for good will on the campus (something almost no one will resist) and I predict the Secular Student groups mission of providing support for people who are tired of pretending that there is a God and increasing their numbers will be accomplished </p>
<p>I think I&#8217;ve read a book by someone who knows something about this approach &#8211; I Sold My Soul on Ebay or something like that</p>
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		<title>By: sc0tt</title>
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		<dc:creator>sc0tt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; RobL Says:

I am not happy with the censorship but I also think the banner was a bad choice for the location. It would be fine in Berkeley 

If their goal is to bring in new members something softer along the lines of “If you have doubts this might be your club” would be more effective. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Agreed totally.  BTW Berkeley has active religious groups and they coexist with atheist and humanist groups quite well, including club days and other events when everyone has their booths out.  They also get bible thumping preachers telling the students and staff that they&#039;re all fornicators and blasphemers.  Those guys get heckled quite a bit but nobody objects to their being there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> RobL Says:</p>
<p>I am not happy with the censorship but I also think the banner was a bad choice for the location. It would be fine in Berkeley </p>
<p>If their goal is to bring in new members something softer along the lines of “If you have doubts this might be your club” would be more effective.
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<p>Agreed totally.  BTW Berkeley has active religious groups and they coexist with atheist and humanist groups quite well, including club days and other events when everyone has their booths out.  They also get bible thumping preachers telling the students and staff that they&#8217;re all fornicators and blasphemers.  Those guys get heckled quite a bit but nobody objects to their being there.</p>
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		<title>By: Epistaxis</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/10/31/campus-atheist-group-censored-in-idaho/#comment-242159</link>
		<dc:creator>Epistaxis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the guy on the right with the bike and the mustache. Is he a member of the group or did he just want to be in a photo?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the guy on the right with the bike and the mustache. Is he a member of the group or did he just want to be in a photo?</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, at least it clarifies what sort of group the Boise State Secular Students is. Evidently it&#039;s not a group of atheists who are into friendliness and respect towards those who believe differently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, at least it clarifies what sort of group the Boise State Secular Students is. Evidently it&#8217;s not a group of atheists who are into friendliness and respect towards those who believe differently.</p>
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		<title>By: J. J. Ramsey</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. J. Ramsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>stogoe: &quot;Who cares if &#039;imaginary friend&#039; makes christians ashamed of believing in nonsense?&quot;

Errm, the problem isn&#039;t that it makes Christians ashamed, but rather that it makes them annoyed at the rather dubious implication that they are childish. Think how annoyed when you get when you see the &lt;a href=&quot;http://friendlyatheist.com/5428/why-are-there-so-many-atheist-blogs/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;accusation that atheists are in denial about the existence of God&lt;/a&gt;. That&#039;s about the feeling the Christians are getting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stogoe: &#8220;Who cares if &#8216;imaginary friend&#8217; makes christians ashamed of believing in nonsense?&#8221;</p>
<p>Errm, the problem isn&#8217;t that it makes Christians ashamed, but rather that it makes them annoyed at the rather dubious implication that they are childish. Think how annoyed when you get when you see the <a href="http://friendlyatheist.com/5428/why-are-there-so-many-atheist-blogs/" rel="nofollow">accusation that atheists are in denial about the existence of God</a>. That&#8217;s about the feeling the Christians are getting.</p>
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