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	<description>by Hemant Mehta</description>
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		<title>By: Brian Westley</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/11/20/separate-but-equal-dating/#comment-248436</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Westley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 01:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>California&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dfeh.ca.gov/about/unruhDescription.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Unruh Civil Rights Act&lt;/a&gt; is pretty comprehensive.  The same law that prevents lunch counters from refusing to serve blacks also compels eHarmony to serve gays (or for that matter for &lt;a href=&quot;http://fitnessbusinesspro.com/mag/fitness_access_denied/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;gyms to serve both sexes&lt;/a&gt;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>California&#8217;s <a href="http://www.dfeh.ca.gov/about/unruhDescription.aspx" rel="nofollow">Unruh Civil Rights Act</a> is pretty comprehensive.  The same law that prevents lunch counters from refusing to serve blacks also compels eHarmony to serve gays (or for that matter for <a href="http://fitnessbusinesspro.com/mag/fitness_access_denied/" rel="nofollow">gyms to serve both sexes</a>).</p>
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		<title>By: Eharmony Trapped In 1968 &#171; Altarkation&#8217;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/11/20/separate-but-equal-dating/#comment-247403</link>
		<dc:creator>Eharmony Trapped In 1968 &#171; Altarkation&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/11/20/separate-but-equal-dating/#comment-246849</link>
		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, where do the bisexuals sign up? Lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, where do the bisexuals sign up? Lol.</p>
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		<title>By: Curtis</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/11/20/separate-but-equal-dating/#comment-246825</link>
		<dc:creator>Curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should an atheist dating site be sued for discriminating against theists?  Should Jewish/Christian/Chinese/Indian/etc dating sites be sued for discrimination?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should an atheist dating site be sued for discriminating against theists?  Should Jewish/Christian/Chinese/Indian/etc dating sites be sued for discrimination?</p>
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		<title>By: Discovery</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/11/20/separate-but-equal-dating/#comment-246770</link>
		<dc:creator>Discovery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are plenty of niche industries in the market place - Curves Fitness being a prime example.  They are a specialized business model catering to a female only client. Their business does not cater to male clients - and actually excludes males in order to create a female only environment.  This isn&#039;t considered constitutional discrimination.  

eHarmony doesn&#039;t exclude homosexuals - they simply don&#039;t provide the service of matching a male with a male, which is what the lawsuit was about.  They also don&#039;t match married men with single women, which they were sued for, nor women with women, men with transvestites, nor men with multiple partners.  This is not their niche, expertise nor provided service.  The lawsuit didn&#039;t content that eHarmony let the guy join - the requested that he be matched with another man - that is service, not entrance.

This precedent is dangerous - because it opens niche businesses to provide services against their niche and expertise - which is what specifically sets that business apart - without exclusivity, Curves is just another gym, eHarmony - jdate.com or gay.com are just another dating website.  You can&#039;t get a taco at pizza hut, you can&#039;t request a male to male match at eHarmony.  

For the record eHarmoney does allow non-faith members on their site.  And what if eHarmony&#039;s male-to-male business fails?  Is that now discrimination?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are plenty of niche industries in the market place &#8211; Curves Fitness being a prime example.  They are a specialized business model catering to a female only client. Their business does not cater to male clients &#8211; and actually excludes males in order to create a female only environment.  This isn&#8217;t considered constitutional discrimination.  </p>
<p>eHarmony doesn&#8217;t exclude homosexuals &#8211; they simply don&#8217;t provide the service of matching a male with a male, which is what the lawsuit was about.  They also don&#8217;t match married men with single women, which they were sued for, nor women with women, men with transvestites, nor men with multiple partners.  This is not their niche, expertise nor provided service.  The lawsuit didn&#8217;t content that eHarmony let the guy join &#8211; the requested that he be matched with another man &#8211; that is service, not entrance.</p>
<p>This precedent is dangerous &#8211; because it opens niche businesses to provide services against their niche and expertise &#8211; which is what specifically sets that business apart &#8211; without exclusivity, Curves is just another gym, eHarmony &#8211; jdate.com or gay.com are just another dating website.  You can&#8217;t get a taco at pizza hut, you can&#8217;t request a male to male match at eHarmony.  </p>
<p>For the record eHarmoney does allow non-faith members on their site.  And what if eHarmony&#8217;s male-to-male business fails?  Is that now discrimination?</p>
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		<title>By: sc0tt</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/11/20/separate-but-equal-dating/#comment-246764</link>
		<dc:creator>sc0tt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;Hemant, starting the new “gay” site doesn’t solve the problem about discriminating against atheists. Any developments on that front?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The linked newspaper article says e-Harmony does include atheist members; that rather surprised me.

A few years ago I remember a non-religious guy who was rejected by eHarmony saying he was essentially undatable.  He took the personality profile and the result was &quot;we can&#039;t help you.&quot;  Apparently 28 or so of the &quot;dimensions of compatibility&quot; involved religion and the algorithm fails when you divide by zero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><em>Hemant, starting the new “gay” site doesn’t solve the problem about discriminating against atheists. Any developments on that front?</em></p></blockquote>
<p>The linked newspaper article says e-Harmony does include atheist members; that rather surprised me.</p>
<p>A few years ago I remember a non-religious guy who was rejected by eHarmony saying he was essentially undatable.  He took the personality profile and the result was &#8220;we can&#8217;t help you.&#8221;  Apparently 28 or so of the &#8220;dimensions of compatibility&#8221; involved religion and the algorithm fails when you divide by zero.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a gay guy, I don&#039;t really care if eHarmony wants to find me a &quot;mate&quot;. Two reasons:

1. They&#039;re supposedly scientific in how they match people. Based on data from straight couples/relationships. We don&#039;t really know what that data is, so I&#039;m not sure how we could assume that it could be equally applied to gay relationships. 

2. They can do whatever the hell they want. They&#039;re a private business, and there certainly are gay-only dating sites. 

3. Even if they&#039;re being dicks: lots of people are dicks. Big deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a gay guy, I don&#8217;t really care if eHarmony wants to find me a &#8220;mate&#8221;. Two reasons:</p>
<p>1. They&#8217;re supposedly scientific in how they match people. Based on data from straight couples/relationships. We don&#8217;t really know what that data is, so I&#8217;m not sure how we could assume that it could be equally applied to gay relationships. </p>
<p>2. They can do whatever the hell they want. They&#8217;re a private business, and there certainly are gay-only dating sites. </p>
<p>3. Even if they&#8217;re being dicks: lots of people are dicks. Big deal.</p>
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		<title>By: anthony</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/11/20/separate-but-equal-dating/#comment-246747</link>
		<dc:creator>anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess as a business owner I have a different perspective.

My motive is to operate a business in pursuit of profit the way I feel fit to do so.

If you don&#039;t like my services, you are free to go elsewhere, thus exercising your right to control my profits.

If you or the government seeks to regulate my business through the intervention of &quot;public good&quot; then I lose my freedom to operate my business.

The long and short of it is, its a private company, so you need to go elsewhere, or better yet create your own company and stop complaining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess as a business owner I have a different perspective.</p>
<p>My motive is to operate a business in pursuit of profit the way I feel fit to do so.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t like my services, you are free to go elsewhere, thus exercising your right to control my profits.</p>
<p>If you or the government seeks to regulate my business through the intervention of &#8220;public good&#8221; then I lose my freedom to operate my business.</p>
<p>The long and short of it is, its a private company, so you need to go elsewhere, or better yet create your own company and stop complaining.</p>
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		<title>By: HeavyThinker</title>
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		<dc:creator>HeavyThinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I rarely comment on this site. Although I&#039;m straight, I&#039;m about as pro-gay rights as can be. This post (and many subsequent comments) have me feeling as though I must say something.

This isn&#039;t about homosexuality, it&#039;s about gender roles. EHarmony brands itself as a relationship-psychology founded dating site, and the methods used are designed to work with heterosexual gender roles.

This, to me, is more akin to forcing a gynecologist to do post-op work on a male-to-female transexual. Sorry, they didn&#039;t study that, they shouldn&#039;t be forced to specialize in it. Same thing with a sex therapist. 

Specialized services exist for a reason, and it seems that reason has been left behind in the name of equality in this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I rarely comment on this site. Although I&#8217;m straight, I&#8217;m about as pro-gay rights as can be. This post (and many subsequent comments) have me feeling as though I must say something.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t about homosexuality, it&#8217;s about gender roles. EHarmony brands itself as a relationship-psychology founded dating site, and the methods used are designed to work with heterosexual gender roles.</p>
<p>This, to me, is more akin to forcing a gynecologist to do post-op work on a male-to-female transexual. Sorry, they didn&#8217;t study that, they shouldn&#8217;t be forced to specialize in it. Same thing with a sex therapist. </p>
<p>Specialized services exist for a reason, and it seems that reason has been left behind in the name of equality in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Warren&#039;s excuses for not allowing same-sex dating are disingenuous bullshit.  He&#039;s either a bigot or he&#039;s afraid of bigots giving his company trouble.

Hemant, starting the new &quot;gay&quot; site doesn&#039;t solve the problem about discriminating against atheists.  Any developments on that front?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren&#8217;s excuses for not allowing same-sex dating are disingenuous bullshit.  He&#8217;s either a bigot or he&#8217;s afraid of bigots giving his company trouble.</p>
<p>Hemant, starting the new &#8220;gay&#8221; site doesn&#8217;t solve the problem about discriminating against atheists.  Any developments on that front?</p>
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