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		<title>By: dannyness</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/11/27/share-your-thanksgiving-stories/#comment-248964</link>
		<dc:creator>dannyness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mom knows my wife and I are atheists and my dad&#039;s side knows.  They&#039;re fine with it.  I doubt my mom&#039;s side knows.  I don&#039;t know.  I doubt my mom told them.  We haven&#039;t gotten together with them since grandpa passed away, but when we did get together my wife and I would just sit quietly, head unbowed and hands below the table while everyone else said grace.  I wouldn&#039;t hide it from them.  If the question were posed I would admit my non-belief, especially now that grandpa&#039;s gone.  The same goes for my wife&#039;s side.  Her dad&#039;s side knows and is cool.  On her mom&#039;s side we just keep it quiet unless asked.

This year we didn&#039;t get together with either side.  We opted to stay in town and volunteer delivering free meals around town.  We cooked a mini Thanksgiving for her folks and brother last night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mom knows my wife and I are atheists and my dad&#8217;s side knows.  They&#8217;re fine with it.  I doubt my mom&#8217;s side knows.  I don&#8217;t know.  I doubt my mom told them.  We haven&#8217;t gotten together with them since grandpa passed away, but when we did get together my wife and I would just sit quietly, head unbowed and hands below the table while everyone else said grace.  I wouldn&#8217;t hide it from them.  If the question were posed I would admit my non-belief, especially now that grandpa&#8217;s gone.  The same goes for my wife&#8217;s side.  Her dad&#8217;s side knows and is cool.  On her mom&#8217;s side we just keep it quiet unless asked.</p>
<p>This year we didn&#8217;t get together with either side.  We opted to stay in town and volunteer delivering free meals around town.  We cooked a mini Thanksgiving for her folks and brother last night.</p>
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		<title>By: garrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>garrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 05:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Religion has never been important in my immediate family, though I am the only self-proclaimed &quot;atheist&quot; (for over 15 years now).  We have never said a prayer at dinner.  Everyone in my family is &quot;spiritual, but not religious.&quot;

One of my sisters, after having 2 kids, started attending church a few years ago.  It is some watered-down liberal church.

As everyone was sitting down at the table, the same sister pipes up, &quot;everyone hold hands and let&#039;s say grace.&quot;  A sister-in-law audibly laughs out, &quot;grace? really?&quot;  My mom quickly covered by going around the table and everyone saying something about which they feel thankful.  I think everyone (including me) pretended not to hear my sister.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Religion has never been important in my immediate family, though I am the only self-proclaimed &#8220;atheist&#8221; (for over 15 years now).  We have never said a prayer at dinner.  Everyone in my family is &#8220;spiritual, but not religious.&#8221;</p>
<p>One of my sisters, after having 2 kids, started attending church a few years ago.  It is some watered-down liberal church.</p>
<p>As everyone was sitting down at the table, the same sister pipes up, &#8220;everyone hold hands and let&#8217;s say grace.&#8221;  A sister-in-law audibly laughs out, &#8220;grace? really?&#8221;  My mom quickly covered by going around the table and everyone saying something about which they feel thankful.  I think everyone (including me) pretended not to hear my sister.</p>
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		<title>By: Carolina Woods</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carolina Woods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 05:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mother, 94, doesn’t like big family gatherings anymore --too many people, too much noise. And, frankly, my husband and I aren’t all that interested either. I used to roast a turkey and make dinner at our house after I arrived home from work on Wednesday night (actually Thursday morning) around 2 a.m., then pack it all up, ready to take it to her house. (She lives an hour away, so if we went to pick her up and bring her home, then take her back, we would be driving 4 hours ---so we’ve done this for years.) Usually, before dinner, my mother would bow  her head, close her eyes and say a prayer outloud.  We just sat quietly until she finished. Sometimes, in more recent years, she would forget.

But, my mother hardly ate anything. So it seemed to be so much work for nothing. So my husband and I looked for an open restuarant ----we found only one.

Yesterday, my mother didn’t pray at Denny’s. 

I have come out of the atheist closet with most of my friends, but I’ve never discussed it with relatives. I figure no use upsetting my mother at age 94. I will probably completely leave the closet after my mother dies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mother, 94, doesn’t like big family gatherings anymore &#8211;too many people, too much noise. And, frankly, my husband and I aren’t all that interested either. I used to roast a turkey and make dinner at our house after I arrived home from work on Wednesday night (actually Thursday morning) around 2 a.m., then pack it all up, ready to take it to her house. (She lives an hour away, so if we went to pick her up and bring her home, then take her back, we would be driving 4 hours &#8212;so we’ve done this for years.) Usually, before dinner, my mother would bow  her head, close her eyes and say a prayer outloud.  We just sat quietly until she finished. Sometimes, in more recent years, she would forget.</p>
<p>But, my mother hardly ate anything. So it seemed to be so much work for nothing. So my husband and I looked for an open restuarant &#8212;-we found only one.</p>
<p>Yesterday, my mother didn’t pray at Denny’s. </p>
<p>I have come out of the atheist closet with most of my friends, but I’ve never discussed it with relatives. I figure no use upsetting my mother at age 94. I will probably completely leave the closet after my mother dies.</p>
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		<title>By: markii</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/11/27/share-your-thanksgiving-stories/#comment-248453</link>
		<dc:creator>markii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 04:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yesterday was thanksgiving, and thus i was around much of my family. running late for dinner, i threw on a shirt out the door we fly to mom and dad&#039;s.

i did not read what was written on my random shirt, however:

&quot;Rebel of Faith&quot;

it&#039;s a cool-looking t.  a slim-you-down black, painted with those ruby-red heretic words.  problem is, the ruby red caught everyone&#039;s eyes.  first was my dear 80-year old mormon grandmother.  her eyes were better than i had imagined:  &quot;rebel of faith?&quot;, she inquired.

&quot;yes, it means rebel FOR faith&quot;.  i quickly responded.  i was lying, and i was proud of my apostasy, but not to my grandma.  not when she has lived a long life FOR faith.  so deep was her belief in her holy fairy tale for all of these years that the very neurons and connections in her mind can never again be unwoven.  critical thinking and skepticism will not squeeze through the plaque and cholesterol polluting her mind&#039;s neural tubes.

it&#039;s over.  SHE&#039;s almost over.  i say go with the flow.  leave her happy.  let her leave happy.  when i noticed i had an extra shirt in the car, i changed it for her.  and by the look on my mom&#039;s face, i could see she felt relieved as well.

it was just a random shirt from my closet, without any agenda meant by me.  i am proud of my heresy, and proud to be a &quot;rebel of faith&quot;, but thanksgiving this year was of a much higher quality leaving religion aside and focusing on family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yesterday was thanksgiving, and thus i was around much of my family. running late for dinner, i threw on a shirt out the door we fly to mom and dad&#8217;s.</p>
<p>i did not read what was written on my random shirt, however:</p>
<p>&#8220;Rebel of Faith&#8221;</p>
<p>it&#8217;s a cool-looking t.  a slim-you-down black, painted with those ruby-red heretic words.  problem is, the ruby red caught everyone&#8217;s eyes.  first was my dear 80-year old mormon grandmother.  her eyes were better than i had imagined:  &#8220;rebel of faith?&#8221;, she inquired.</p>
<p>&#8220;yes, it means rebel FOR faith&#8221;.  i quickly responded.  i was lying, and i was proud of my apostasy, but not to my grandma.  not when she has lived a long life FOR faith.  so deep was her belief in her holy fairy tale for all of these years that the very neurons and connections in her mind can never again be unwoven.  critical thinking and skepticism will not squeeze through the plaque and cholesterol polluting her mind&#8217;s neural tubes.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s over.  SHE&#8217;s almost over.  i say go with the flow.  leave her happy.  let her leave happy.  when i noticed i had an extra shirt in the car, i changed it for her.  and by the look on my mom&#8217;s face, i could see she felt relieved as well.</p>
<p>it was just a random shirt from my closet, without any agenda meant by me.  i am proud of my heresy, and proud to be a &#8220;rebel of faith&#8221;, but thanksgiving this year was of a much higher quality leaving religion aside and focusing on family.</p>
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		<title>By: Cobwebs</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/11/27/share-your-thanksgiving-stories/#comment-248415</link>
		<dc:creator>Cobwebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 23:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mother-in-law jokingly asked if I wanted to say grace.  I replied that I wasn&#039;t exactly a &quot;god person,&quot; and she said that I was surrounded by nine others.

As my husband put it today, for all the annoyance that my in-laws heap upon me, at least the whole crew is atheist/agnostic.

We had a very nice, entirely secular, celebration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mother-in-law jokingly asked if I wanted to say grace.  I replied that I wasn&#8217;t exactly a &#8220;god person,&#8221; and she said that I was surrounded by nine others.</p>
<p>As my husband put it today, for all the annoyance that my in-laws heap upon me, at least the whole crew is atheist/agnostic.</p>
<p>We had a very nice, entirely secular, celebration.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 23:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife and I invited friends, neighbors, and a cousin who lives in the area over for Thanksgiving dinner. It was a wonderful mix of faiths and non-faiths, including Christian, Muslim, and Jewish backgrounds. We had a short meditation and sharing time before we ate. The menu included turkey, ham, and plenty of vegetarian dishes. That we live in a place where we can enjoy the company of such different cultures is something for which I&#039;m very thankful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife and I invited friends, neighbors, and a cousin who lives in the area over for Thanksgiving dinner. It was a wonderful mix of faiths and non-faiths, including Christian, Muslim, and Jewish backgrounds. We had a short meditation and sharing time before we ate. The menu included turkey, ham, and plenty of vegetarian dishes. That we live in a place where we can enjoy the company of such different cultures is something for which I&#8217;m very thankful.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 19:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This year&#039;s Thanksgiving was barren of any religious taints at my parents place. Well, at least as far as I know. My fiance and I delayed ourselves a bit just in case there was a saying of grace before the meal. He&#039;s a fervent atheist, and I&#039;m a casual Buddhist with strong atheistic leanings.

There was one year in which my grandfather on my step-mother&#039;s side (who are all devout Catholics) decided to be an instigator and try to get me to say grace. I refused, and so he felt the need to call on me to say grace for any subsequent meal at their home after that. It caused quite the bit of distress in the family. and I intentionally stopped visiting when he was home (there were other reasons as well).

My family has taken my beliefs and that of my soon-to-be husband with great stride. Although there are times where they make outright attacks on us. Such as one year my parents gave me a Tibetan Silk prayer scroll for Christmas, but later that day at dinner told me that I needed to let god more into my life. Oh well. Maybe one day they will understand :-).

Peace to you all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This year&#8217;s Thanksgiving was barren of any religious taints at my parents place. Well, at least as far as I know. My fiance and I delayed ourselves a bit just in case there was a saying of grace before the meal. He&#8217;s a fervent atheist, and I&#8217;m a casual Buddhist with strong atheistic leanings.</p>
<p>There was one year in which my grandfather on my step-mother&#8217;s side (who are all devout Catholics) decided to be an instigator and try to get me to say grace. I refused, and so he felt the need to call on me to say grace for any subsequent meal at their home after that. It caused quite the bit of distress in the family. and I intentionally stopped visiting when he was home (there were other reasons as well).</p>
<p>My family has taken my beliefs and that of my soon-to-be husband with great stride. Although there are times where they make outright attacks on us. Such as one year my parents gave me a Tibetan Silk prayer scroll for Christmas, but later that day at dinner told me that I needed to let god more into my life. Oh well. Maybe one day they will understand <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>Peace to you all!</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the talk of head bowing reminds me of military ceremonies.  We had a co-worker pass recently and someone decided that we should gather in a circle and bow our heads in silent prayer.  Luckily there are quite a few of us that are atheists in my group so we all did a bit of silent reflection and stole glances at each other while everyone else&#039;s head was bowed.

At another recent event, the local marines asked us to join them for the Marine Corps birthday, so we went and they had the typical chaplain do his thing.  Again, when he said &quot;Let us pray&quot; my group decided to look straight ahead and I am sure that a couple of us, including myself, tilted our chins up just a bit in silent protest.

I didn&#039;t get to celebrate Thanksgiving with my family this year, but I was able to convey my thanks for their support via email and phone and that is what matters to me.

Luckily, both my wife&#039;s family and mine all know that we are atheists and for the most part, it has gone well.  In one case, it has gone so far that my aunt wouldn&#039;t talk to us for a while--She stopped talking to us when we told her that we didn&#039;t like receiving religious gifts for our children.  Luckily, she decided that she would rather have us in her life as atheists than not at all.

Adam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the talk of head bowing reminds me of military ceremonies.  We had a co-worker pass recently and someone decided that we should gather in a circle and bow our heads in silent prayer.  Luckily there are quite a few of us that are atheists in my group so we all did a bit of silent reflection and stole glances at each other while everyone else&#8217;s head was bowed.</p>
<p>At another recent event, the local marines asked us to join them for the Marine Corps birthday, so we went and they had the typical chaplain do his thing.  Again, when he said &#8220;Let us pray&#8221; my group decided to look straight ahead and I am sure that a couple of us, including myself, tilted our chins up just a bit in silent protest.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t get to celebrate Thanksgiving with my family this year, but I was able to convey my thanks for their support via email and phone and that is what matters to me.</p>
<p>Luckily, both my wife&#8217;s family and mine all know that we are atheists and for the most part, it has gone well.  In one case, it has gone so far that my aunt wouldn&#8217;t talk to us for a while&#8211;She stopped talking to us when we told her that we didn&#8217;t like receiving religious gifts for our children.  Luckily, she decided that she would rather have us in her life as atheists than not at all.</p>
<p>Adam</p>
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		<title>By: stogoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>stogoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My family had relatives over for Thanksgiving.  I&#039;d let my parents know a few weeks ago that I&#039;ve been going to a Unitarian church, but we hadn&#039;t actually discussed it yet.  Thankfully they waited until after the relatives left to try to ambush me*.  They&#039;re fervently religious, but politically moderate-to-left-leaning, so it went okay.  It helps that Unitarian-Universalism grew out of Christianity, and that there are numerous belief systems that gather into UU communities.  I didn&#039;t tear the whole veil away yet, but at least I took baby steps.  Baby steps forward are still steps forward.

*I say &#039;ambush&#039; but a) I expected and was prepared for it, and b) they weren&#039;t accusatory or confrontational.  I take it as a good sign that they decided not to let the extended family back me into a corner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My family had relatives over for Thanksgiving.  I&#8217;d let my parents know a few weeks ago that I&#8217;ve been going to a Unitarian church, but we hadn&#8217;t actually discussed it yet.  Thankfully they waited until after the relatives left to try to ambush me*.  They&#8217;re fervently religious, but politically moderate-to-left-leaning, so it went okay.  It helps that Unitarian-Universalism grew out of Christianity, and that there are numerous belief systems that gather into UU communities.  I didn&#8217;t tear the whole veil away yet, but at least I took baby steps.  Baby steps forward are still steps forward.</p>
<p>*I say &#8216;ambush&#8217; but a) I expected and was prepared for it, and b) they weren&#8217;t accusatory or confrontational.  I take it as a good sign that they decided not to let the extended family back me into a corner.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanksgiving was easy-peasy this year; just me and my husband - and we&#039;re both Atheists.  But! Hope Springs Eternal!  When talking with my sister (former Catholic, now 7th day adventist), she mentioned that she was getting sick of organised religion and was thnking of becoming Agnostic!  Yippie!  Guess who&#039;s getting the The God Delusion for a holiday gift...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanksgiving was easy-peasy this year; just me and my husband &#8211; and we&#8217;re both Atheists.  But! Hope Springs Eternal!  When talking with my sister (former Catholic, now 7th day adventist), she mentioned that she was getting sick of organised religion and was thnking of becoming Agnostic!  Yippie!  Guess who&#8217;s getting the The God Delusion for a holiday gift&#8230;</p>
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