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	<title>Comments on: What Should Atheists Do When the In-Laws Begin to Proselytize?</title>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You do nothing. Just as you were aloud to choose your own beliefs, so should your daughter. If you truly believe that nothing happens to your soul after you die, then your daughter has nothing to lose by exploring this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You do nothing. Just as you were aloud to choose your own beliefs, so should your daughter. If you truly believe that nothing happens to your soul after you die, then your daughter has nothing to lose by exploring this.</p>
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		<title>By: Topic Agnostic &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Lying to children about God doesn&#8217;t do them any good</title>
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		<dc:creator>Topic Agnostic &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Lying to children about God doesn&#8217;t do them any good</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] few days ago we were chatting about worldview, and mentioned the conversation going on over at Friendly Atheist concerning whether or not to fill children&#8217;s heads with religious [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] few days ago we were chatting about worldview, and mentioned the conversation going on over at Friendly Atheist concerning whether or not to fill children&#8217;s heads with religious [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Topic Agnostic &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Knowledge is the little hammer that chips away at the religious worldview</title>
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		<dc:creator>Topic Agnostic &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Knowledge is the little hammer that chips away at the religious worldview</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 19:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Atheist has been having a passionate discussion about what to do if an in-law starts getting their Christianity all over your kids. A number of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Atheist has been having a passionate discussion about what to do if an in-law starts getting their Christianity all over your kids. A number of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Hart @ A DoFollow Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Hart @ A DoFollow Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 02:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My in laws know not to screw with me I made it quite clear a long time ago why my parents don&#039;t have access to their grandkids.  I doubt my parents even know there are two now.  It was made very clear if they pull any crap, they lose their grandkids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My in laws know not to screw with me I made it quite clear a long time ago why my parents don&#8217;t have access to their grandkids.  I doubt my parents even know there are two now.  It was made very clear if they pull any crap, they lose their grandkids.</p>
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		<title>By: jacques</title>
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		<dc:creator>jacques</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 02:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m all for teaching our kids to keep their minds open, and I&#039;m aware that we have to &quot;play ball&quot; to get along in society.  There are plenty of people who&#039;s minds we can&#039;t change and whom we don&#039;t want to offend.  Furthermore, I regularly preface statements to my kids with &quot;i could be wrong...&quot; and &quot;most people think...&quot;  However, it&#039;s our duty to our children, our selves, and society in general to teach our kids the truth.  Exposing our children to different ideas and perspectives is is obviously the right strategy, but treating these competing viewpoints as equally valid is absurd and dangerous.  You wouldn&#039;t tell your kid &quot;some people walk on the sidewalk, and some people walk in the road&quot; and then wait for them to make an enlightened choice.  I&#039;m raising my kids to walk on the sidewalk.  If they want to walk in the road later, that&#039;s outta my hands.  I used to think I&#039;d take them to different churches if they were curious, but now I&#039;m not so sure- I wouldn&#039;t take them to a pedophile convention just to edify their curiosity.  Anyway, I&#039;m still figuring it all out.  But trust your instincts- if religious people don&#039;t worry about our feelings when they sling their nonsense, we should have no compunction about slinging truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m all for teaching our kids to keep their minds open, and I&#8217;m aware that we have to &#8220;play ball&#8221; to get along in society.  There are plenty of people who&#8217;s minds we can&#8217;t change and whom we don&#8217;t want to offend.  Furthermore, I regularly preface statements to my kids with &#8220;i could be wrong&#8230;&#8221; and &#8220;most people think&#8230;&#8221;  However, it&#8217;s our duty to our children, our selves, and society in general to teach our kids the truth.  Exposing our children to different ideas and perspectives is is obviously the right strategy, but treating these competing viewpoints as equally valid is absurd and dangerous.  You wouldn&#8217;t tell your kid &#8220;some people walk on the sidewalk, and some people walk in the road&#8221; and then wait for them to make an enlightened choice.  I&#8217;m raising my kids to walk on the sidewalk.  If they want to walk in the road later, that&#8217;s outta my hands.  I used to think I&#8217;d take them to different churches if they were curious, but now I&#8217;m not so sure- I wouldn&#8217;t take them to a pedophile convention just to edify their curiosity.  Anyway, I&#8217;m still figuring it all out.  But trust your instincts- if religious people don&#8217;t worry about our feelings when they sling their nonsense, we should have no compunction about slinging truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 23:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I try to remember that my 7 and 10 year old kids are smarter than their grandparents by a long-shot.  Religion is out there and they need to take it all in in order to digest it and determine for themselves what&#039;s garbage and what&#039;s not.  One thing I&#039;ll never shelter my kids from is information and ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I try to remember that my 7 and 10 year old kids are smarter than their grandparents by a long-shot.  Religion is out there and they need to take it all in in order to digest it and determine for themselves what&#8217;s garbage and what&#8217;s not.  One thing I&#8217;ll never shelter my kids from is information and ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Future Technology</title>
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		<dc:creator>Future Technology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about &quot;don&#039;t program my child with dogma&quot; ?

It&#039;s *your* child, dude. Only *you* and the mother get to decide how to raise this child.

It&#039;s none of the mother-in-law&#039;s business how you raise him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about &#8220;don&#8217;t program my child with dogma&#8221; ?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s *your* child, dude. Only *you* and the mother get to decide how to raise this child.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s none of the mother-in-law&#8217;s business how you raise him.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teach her about Odin, teach her about Osiris, and teach her about Mithras... teach her as much mythology as possible until she can recognize it for what it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teach her about Odin, teach her about Osiris, and teach her about Mithras&#8230; teach her as much mythology as possible until she can recognize it for what it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 15:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Immediately terminate all access to your daughter to your in-laws, all of them.

When they try and open a dialog, tell them why. Set firm boundaries, including that &quot;even a hint of violating the &#039;no preaching&#039; order will cause permanent denial of access&quot;.

Nothing less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Immediately terminate all access to your daughter to your in-laws, all of them.</p>
<p>When they try and open a dialog, tell them why. Set firm boundaries, including that &#8220;even a hint of violating the &#8216;no preaching&#8217; order will cause permanent denial of access&#8221;.</p>
<p>Nothing less.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 08:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems like you have some good suggestions here, I&#039;ve read about half thus far and most seem to be really good, but I thought I&#039;d share something that has been happening in my house over the last month or so.

My son is 9 and he does Religious Education at school.  I&#039;m a firm believer in not indoctrinating children into anything, but rather giving them the tools to come to their own conclusions so when my boy came home talking about the son of god I was a little unsure how to go about addressing it.  So we had a little chat, I asked him to tell me all about what he learned and periodically I asked things like &quot;how does that work?&quot; &quot;why did it happen like that do you think?&quot; etc, which forced him to consider what he was being taught.  We also regularly talk about other faiths and how they celebrate religious holidays and what they think with regards to various issues.  He had a muslim classmate last year and she explained to the class how her family celebrate ramadan, which was really enlightening for him too.  We also talk about current world issues a lot at home, things like various wars, natural disasters, terrorism, what the Cold War was etc, so he is very aware of the reality out there for his age.

It was a couple of weeks ago now, I think they were discussing Noah&#039;s Ark in RE and obviously my efforts to teach him logic and critical thinking paid off, because he came home and told me that he&#039;s happy to play along at school for the rest of the year, but he&#039;d rather not do RE next year because none of it made sense, god probably isn&#039;t real, or at least not the god they&#039;re talking about and he&#039;d rather play maths games on the computers (a much better use of his time, I agree).

That said, I&#039;m glad I enrolled him in the RE class so he could learn and figure it all out for himself.  I found it very rewarding to figure it out for myself when I was young, rather than just following what my folks believed (which wouldn&#039;t have been too bad anyway, at best my folks are agnostic).  

My advice to you is unless your daughter is very young (under 6-7 years) I would let her continue to see Grandma so that she can learn, and then talk about it all with her.  Perhaps even have a round table discussion with Grandma.  Discuss god, what faith means, where god stands in the various issues in the world today.  Kids have great B.S. detectors, when the best answer to &#039;why does god let so many innocent children starve in Africa&#039; she can come up with is &#039;we can&#039;t pretend to understand god&#039;s plan&#039; I think your daughter will see the light, so to speak.

But make sure you keep giving her the tools she needs to think, no one else will teach her!  Best of luck to both of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like you have some good suggestions here, I&#8217;ve read about half thus far and most seem to be really good, but I thought I&#8217;d share something that has been happening in my house over the last month or so.</p>
<p>My son is 9 and he does Religious Education at school.  I&#8217;m a firm believer in not indoctrinating children into anything, but rather giving them the tools to come to their own conclusions so when my boy came home talking about the son of god I was a little unsure how to go about addressing it.  So we had a little chat, I asked him to tell me all about what he learned and periodically I asked things like &#8220;how does that work?&#8221; &#8220;why did it happen like that do you think?&#8221; etc, which forced him to consider what he was being taught.  We also regularly talk about other faiths and how they celebrate religious holidays and what they think with regards to various issues.  He had a muslim classmate last year and she explained to the class how her family celebrate ramadan, which was really enlightening for him too.  We also talk about current world issues a lot at home, things like various wars, natural disasters, terrorism, what the Cold War was etc, so he is very aware of the reality out there for his age.</p>
<p>It was a couple of weeks ago now, I think they were discussing Noah&#8217;s Ark in RE and obviously my efforts to teach him logic and critical thinking paid off, because he came home and told me that he&#8217;s happy to play along at school for the rest of the year, but he&#8217;d rather not do RE next year because none of it made sense, god probably isn&#8217;t real, or at least not the god they&#8217;re talking about and he&#8217;d rather play maths games on the computers (a much better use of his time, I agree).</p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;m glad I enrolled him in the RE class so he could learn and figure it all out for himself.  I found it very rewarding to figure it out for myself when I was young, rather than just following what my folks believed (which wouldn&#8217;t have been too bad anyway, at best my folks are agnostic).  </p>
<p>My advice to you is unless your daughter is very young (under 6-7 years) I would let her continue to see Grandma so that she can learn, and then talk about it all with her.  Perhaps even have a round table discussion with Grandma.  Discuss god, what faith means, where god stands in the various issues in the world today.  Kids have great B.S. detectors, when the best answer to &#8216;why does god let so many innocent children starve in Africa&#8217; she can come up with is &#8216;we can&#8217;t pretend to understand god&#8217;s plan&#8217; I think your daughter will see the light, so to speak.</p>
<p>But make sure you keep giving her the tools she needs to think, no one else will teach her!  Best of luck to both of you.</p>
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