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	<title>Comments on: Ted Haggard on Oprah</title>
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		<title>By: absent sway</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/01/27/ted-haggard-on-oprah/#comment-265345</link>
		<dc:creator>absent sway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed the Oprah interview; something that stood out was his children feeling partially relieved that, in spite of all the pain, they could relate to their father better when he was not on a pedestal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed the Oprah interview; something that stood out was his children feeling partially relieved that, in spite of all the pain, they could relate to their father better when he was not on a pedestal.</p>
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		<title>By: writerdd</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/01/27/ted-haggard-on-oprah/#comment-265274</link>
		<dc:creator>writerdd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; I guess you didn’t see his appearance on Oprah then ~ he declared he was a ‘heterosexual with complications’ and chalked it all up to ‘demons’ (surprise, surprise).
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I watched it last night. I think he had made some impressive progress but I am also disappointed. I guess not really surprised since apparently is going back to his old life and I know how difficult it is to leave evangelical Christianity. I will also not be surprised for the same problems to crop up again in the future because, his wife even more than Ted himself, is still in denial. 

I do think it&#039;s possible and OK for a gay or bi-sexual man who is married to want to keep the family together and to truly love his wife. In that case, the problem is not that he is attracted to other men, but that he cheated on his wife. It is no more or less right to cheat on your spouse with someone of the same sex than it is to cheat with someone of the opposite sex. They did not touch on this idea at all on Oprah. 

And they didn&#039;t discuss the drug addiction at all. I wonder if that will be covered at all in the HBO documentary. Did he go to rehab?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> I guess you didn’t see his appearance on Oprah then ~ he declared he was a ‘heterosexual with complications’ and chalked it all up to ‘demons’ (surprise, surprise).
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<p>I watched it last night. I think he had made some impressive progress but I am also disappointed. I guess not really surprised since apparently is going back to his old life and I know how difficult it is to leave evangelical Christianity. I will also not be surprised for the same problems to crop up again in the future because, his wife even more than Ted himself, is still in denial. </p>
<p>I do think it&#8217;s possible and OK for a gay or bi-sexual man who is married to want to keep the family together and to truly love his wife. In that case, the problem is not that he is attracted to other men, but that he cheated on his wife. It is no more or less right to cheat on your spouse with someone of the same sex than it is to cheat with someone of the opposite sex. They did not touch on this idea at all on Oprah. </p>
<p>And they didn&#8217;t discuss the drug addiction at all. I wonder if that will be covered at all in the HBO documentary. Did he go to rehab?</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;he declared he was a ‘heterosexual with complications’&lt;/blockquote&gt;

LOL. Sounds like he might actually be bisexual (if he really does enjoy sleeping with his wife). Do bad he won&#039;t admit it.  He does seem to be on the &quot;preffering men&quot; side though.</description>
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<p>LOL. Sounds like he might actually be bisexual (if he really does enjoy sleeping with his wife). Do bad he won&#8217;t admit it.  He does seem to be on the &#8220;preffering men&#8221; side though.</p>
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		<title>By: AxeGrrl</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/01/27/ted-haggard-on-oprah/#comment-265227</link>
		<dc:creator>AxeGrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>writerdd said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;But I’m happy to see that he may be coming out.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I guess you didn&#039;t see his appearance on Oprah then ~ he declared he was a &#039;heterosexual &lt;em&gt;with complications&#039; &lt;/em&gt; and chalked it all up to &#039;demons&#039; (surprise, surprise).

However, it WAS nice to see Oprah actually &#039;take a stand&#039; and NOT accept/endorse something Haggard&#039;s wife said ~ his wife said something to the effect of &lt;em&gt;&#039;our &#039;feelings&#039; don&#039;t make us who we are&#039;&lt;/em&gt;, and Oprah (much to my surprise/joy) interrupted and said she didn&#039;t agree, and then talked about all the gay people she knows.......to say that they ALL &#039;knew&#039; their orientation since they were &#039;little people&#039;.

Nice to see, especially because Oprah disappoints me so often on such issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>writerdd said:</p>
<blockquote><p>But I’m happy to see that he may be coming out.</p></blockquote>
<p>I guess you didn&#8217;t see his appearance on Oprah then ~ he declared he was a &#8216;heterosexual <em>with complications&#8217; </em> and chalked it all up to &#8216;demons&#8217; (surprise, surprise).</p>
<p>However, it WAS nice to see Oprah actually &#8216;take a stand&#8217; and NOT accept/endorse something Haggard&#8217;s wife said ~ his wife said something to the effect of <em>&#8216;our &#8216;feelings&#8217; don&#8217;t make us who we are&#8217;</em>, and Oprah (much to my surprise/joy) interrupted and said she didn&#8217;t agree, and then talked about all the gay people she knows&#8230;&#8230;.to say that they ALL &#8216;knew&#8217; their orientation since they were &#8216;little people&#8217;.</p>
<p>Nice to see, especially because Oprah disappoints me so often on such issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaleena</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/01/27/ted-haggard-on-oprah/#comment-265182</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaleena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 04:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More here on Colorado Public Radio:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://podcastdownload.npr.org/anon.npr-podcasts/podcast/32/510072/99992039/CPR_99992039.mp3&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;The Trials of Ted Haggard&quot; Documentary&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More here on Colorado Public Radio:<br />
<a href="http://podcastdownload.npr.org/anon.npr-podcasts/podcast/32/510072/99992039/CPR_99992039.mp3" rel="nofollow">&#8220;The Trials of Ted Haggard&#8221; Documentary</a></p>
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		<title>By: Matt Feath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Feath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 04:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s time for you to get a DVR/TIVO, Hemant!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s time for you to get a DVR/TIVO, Hemant!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 03:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can watch the whole thing on youtube, if anyone&#039;s interested:

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=ted%20haggard%20oprah&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;hl=en&amp;um=1&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;sa=N&amp;tab=wv#</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can watch the whole thing on youtube, if anyone&#8217;s interested:</p>
<p><a href="http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=ted%20haggard%20oprah&#038;oe=utf-8&#038;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&#038;client=firefox-a&#038;hl=en&#038;um=1&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;sa=N&#038;tab=wv#" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=ted%20haggard%20oprah&#038;oe=utf-8&#038;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&#038;client=firefox-a&#038;hl=en&#038;um=1&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;sa=N&#038;tab=wv#</a></p>
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		<title>By: i am a dodt</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/01/27/ted-haggard-on-oprah/#comment-265164</link>
		<dc:creator>i am a dodt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 03:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may be wrong, but doesn&#039;t the article say that Haas said no?  A consensual relationship is one thing, but this doesn&#039;t seem like it was, at least initially, consensual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may be wrong, but doesn&#8217;t the article say that Haas said no?  A consensual relationship is one thing, but this doesn&#8217;t seem like it was, at least initially, consensual.</p>
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		<title>By: Joanna</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/01/27/ted-haggard-on-oprah/#comment-265105</link>
		<dc:creator>Joanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 00:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ABC Nightline is going to have a program about this subject...for those of you that don&#039;t have cable access for the HBO program or are working during the day for Oprah. Not sure what night..Friday maybe? I forget.

Personally, I think this is just one more way Haggard is getting attention he doesn&#039;t deserve.  One more &quot;reality show&quot; formatted performance piece.  

He can have his second chance but I wish it was less public...if his wife forgives him, that&#039;s true love.  He&#039;s not a criminal; more like a crooked salesman to be wary about.   Hard to trust his sincerity.

Personally, I can&#039;t help thinking he&#039;s just trying to profit from this whole thing. Glorying in the attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ABC Nightline is going to have a program about this subject&#8230;for those of you that don&#8217;t have cable access for the HBO program or are working during the day for Oprah. Not sure what night..Friday maybe? I forget.</p>
<p>Personally, I think this is just one more way Haggard is getting attention he doesn&#8217;t deserve.  One more &#8220;reality show&#8221; formatted performance piece.  </p>
<p>He can have his second chance but I wish it was less public&#8230;if his wife forgives him, that&#8217;s true love.  He&#8217;s not a criminal; more like a crooked salesman to be wary about.   Hard to trust his sincerity.</p>
<p>Personally, I can&#8217;t help thinking he&#8217;s just trying to profit from this whole thing. Glorying in the attention.</p>
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		<title>By: SarahH</title>
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		<dc:creator>SarahH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with writerdd about this being more sad than horrifying.  If public figures (both religious and secular) weren&#039;t pressured to be seen as almost asexual, &quot;normal&quot; stodgy people, they wouldn&#039;t go to such unhealthy lengths to deprive themselves of pleasure and sometimes unsavory lengths to eventually get the pleasure they need.

So long as no crimes are being committed, I think the sexual lives of all public figures should be irrelevant - however, too many people enjoy reading about scandal for certain elements of the press to stop obsessing.

Instead, we end up with politicians from all parts of the liberal-conservative spectrum, pastors, teachers, etc. hiding relationships or lying about past affairs and eventually suffering tons of fallback for the&lt;em&gt; lying&lt;/em&gt; part (not to mention damage to their reputations, just as they&#039;d feared, due to the nature of the relationship).

It&#039;s all sick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with writerdd about this being more sad than horrifying.  If public figures (both religious and secular) weren&#8217;t pressured to be seen as almost asexual, &#8220;normal&#8221; stodgy people, they wouldn&#8217;t go to such unhealthy lengths to deprive themselves of pleasure and sometimes unsavory lengths to eventually get the pleasure they need.</p>
<p>So long as no crimes are being committed, I think the sexual lives of all public figures should be irrelevant &#8211; however, too many people enjoy reading about scandal for certain elements of the press to stop obsessing.</p>
<p>Instead, we end up with politicians from all parts of the liberal-conservative spectrum, pastors, teachers, etc. hiding relationships or lying about past affairs and eventually suffering tons of fallback for the<em> lying</em> part (not to mention damage to their reputations, just as they&#8217;d feared, due to the nature of the relationship).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all sick.</p>
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