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	<title>Comments on: Don&#8217;t Fear Atheists; We&#8217;re the New Lutherans</title>
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	<description>by Hemant Mehta</description>
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		<title>By: Reginald Selkirk</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/02/23/dont-fear-atheists-were-the-new-lutherans/#comment-275537</link>
		<dc:creator>Reginald Selkirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;from the bizarre theatrics of Madalyn Murray O’Hare&lt;/i&gt;

O’ Sullivan and the WSJ need to do a little fact-checking and spell-checking. I presume he means Madalyn Murray &lt;b&gt;O&#039;Hair&lt;/b&gt;.

&lt;i&gt;So far, American atheists have no figurehead with the brilliance or literary and scientific prizes of Britain&#039;s Mr. Dawkins, the recently retired Simonyi Professor of the Public Understanding of Science at Oxford, where Balliol College named one of its most prestigious awards after him.&lt;/i&gt;

Steven Weinberg comes to mind. He is an excellent writer (Steel Foundation Science Writing Award, 1977, Lewis Thomas Prize for Writing about Science, 1999, James Joyce - Ronan McNulty Award, University College Dublin, 2009), and it&#039;s hard to beat the Nobel for a scientific prize. He is not as widely known outside science, and although he has written and spoken on behalf of atheism (and humanism), is not as thoroughly identified as a spokesperson for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>from the bizarre theatrics of Madalyn Murray O’Hare</i></p>
<p>O’ Sullivan and the WSJ need to do a little fact-checking and spell-checking. I presume he means Madalyn Murray <b>O&#8217;Hair</b>.</p>
<p><i>So far, American atheists have no figurehead with the brilliance or literary and scientific prizes of Britain&#8217;s Mr. Dawkins, the recently retired Simonyi Professor of the Public Understanding of Science at Oxford, where Balliol College named one of its most prestigious awards after him.</i></p>
<p>Steven Weinberg comes to mind. He is an excellent writer (Steel Foundation Science Writing Award, 1977, Lewis Thomas Prize for Writing about Science, 1999, James Joyce &#8211; Ronan McNulty Award, University College Dublin, 2009), and it&#8217;s hard to beat the Nobel for a scientific prize. He is not as widely known outside science, and although he has written and spoken on behalf of atheism (and humanism), is not as thoroughly identified as a spokesperson for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spurs Fan... totally agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spurs Fan&#8230; totally agree.</p>
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		<title>By: Spurs Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spurs Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Spurs Fan… maybe those surveys were just talking about sarcastic, condescending athiests… who knows.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Maybe that&#039;s true, but can I see a citation?  :) Sarcastic maybe, but when did it become condescending to point out (albeit in sarcastic fashion) that you misspelled the name of the main blogger?   

&lt;blockquote&gt;It also seems to me, from a cultural perspective, fundamentalist Christians suffer far more from the disdain of popular culture and media than non-religious people do.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is a decent point and not one I would disagree with.  Unfortunately (or fortunately?), these things do not dictate serious matters like law, family bonds, etc.  Just because Ned Flanders is made fun of in the Simpsons doesn&#039;t mean that I wouldn&#039;t at most, suffer discrimination and at least, be viewed as an immoral beast  here in the Bible Belt.  

Christopher, I&#039;m very glad to hear that you seem to live in a world where rational and reasoned thought flourishes.  And I admit that if I moved to a more metropolitan area, things would be easier.  However, my family lives in rural Texas, and I want to stay here near them.  I should be able to live here by choice without fearing implications from people who see me as inferior and I should be able to live under laws not dictated by a fundamentalist view of the Bible, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Spurs Fan… maybe those surveys were just talking about sarcastic, condescending athiests… who knows.</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe that&#8217;s true, but can I see a citation?  <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Sarcastic maybe, but when did it become condescending to point out (albeit in sarcastic fashion) that you misspelled the name of the main blogger?   </p>
<blockquote><p>It also seems to me, from a cultural perspective, fundamentalist Christians suffer far more from the disdain of popular culture and media than non-religious people do.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is a decent point and not one I would disagree with.  Unfortunately (or fortunately?), these things do not dictate serious matters like law, family bonds, etc.  Just because Ned Flanders is made fun of in the Simpsons doesn&#8217;t mean that I wouldn&#8217;t at most, suffer discrimination and at least, be viewed as an immoral beast  here in the Bible Belt.  </p>
<p>Christopher, I&#8217;m very glad to hear that you seem to live in a world where rational and reasoned thought flourishes.  And I admit that if I moved to a more metropolitan area, things would be easier.  However, my family lives in rural Texas, and I want to stay here near them.  I should be able to live here by choice without fearing implications from people who see me as inferior and I should be able to live under laws not dictated by a fundamentalist view of the Bible, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 02:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand your point about calling it a self fufilling prophecy being offensive if you&#039;ve personally exprienced being ostracized.  I guess I was speaking in generality regarding people who don&#039;t announce their beliefs out of fear of reprucussions.  I have hard time believing the majority of families would forsake a loved one because they don&#039;t see emperical evidence of a creator. 

But like you mentioned, I probably won&#039;t get that since that&#039;s not the environment I live in.

It also seems to me, from a cultural perspective, fundamentalist Christians suffer far more from the disdain of popular culture and media than non-religious people do.  Perhaps it&#039;s the &quot;athiest&quot; label that scares people more than the simple fact that someone doesn&#039;t believe in a god.  Perhaps they need a new label without the historically negative connotations.  Or no label at all.  Something for smarter minds than mine to ponder. 

I myself am in a skeptical phase of my life, unsure of what I believe.  People on all sides try to convince.  But I can tell you this.  None have shunned me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand your point about calling it a self fufilling prophecy being offensive if you&#8217;ve personally exprienced being ostracized.  I guess I was speaking in generality regarding people who don&#8217;t announce their beliefs out of fear of reprucussions.  I have hard time believing the majority of families would forsake a loved one because they don&#8217;t see emperical evidence of a creator. </p>
<p>But like you mentioned, I probably won&#8217;t get that since that&#8217;s not the environment I live in.</p>
<p>It also seems to me, from a cultural perspective, fundamentalist Christians suffer far more from the disdain of popular culture and media than non-religious people do.  Perhaps it&#8217;s the &#8220;athiest&#8221; label that scares people more than the simple fact that someone doesn&#8217;t believe in a god.  Perhaps they need a new label without the historically negative connotations.  Or no label at all.  Something for smarter minds than mine to ponder. </p>
<p>I myself am in a skeptical phase of my life, unsure of what I believe.  People on all sides try to convince.  But I can tell you this.  None have shunned me.</p>
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		<title>By: Ty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 01:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad you are that open minded, but calling it a self fulfilling prophecy smacks a lot of blaming the rape victim for being too attractive.

And I never viewed myself in that context until AFTER I was shunned by my former friends.  This is learned behavior, not a preconceived idea.

I think you still don&#039;t really get it, but that&#039;s ok.  I don&#039;t know what it&#039;s like to be a black man in the South, either.  The best either of us can do is be open minded and sympathetic, which it appears you are.

Also, I&#039;m talking about this stuff because it is in the context of the blog post and your comments.  I never talk about being an oppressed and hated atheist outside of this pretty narrow situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you are that open minded, but calling it a self fulfilling prophecy smacks a lot of blaming the rape victim for being too attractive.</p>
<p>And I never viewed myself in that context until AFTER I was shunned by my former friends.  This is learned behavior, not a preconceived idea.</p>
<p>I think you still don&#8217;t really get it, but that&#8217;s ok.  I don&#8217;t know what it&#8217;s like to be a black man in the South, either.  The best either of us can do is be open minded and sympathetic, which it appears you are.</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m talking about this stuff because it is in the context of the blog post and your comments.  I never talk about being an oppressed and hated atheist outside of this pretty narrow situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ty, your coming out of the closet example tells me how athiests percieve themselves in context with those around them.  I wonder if some of it is a self-fufilling prophecy, though clearly the survey I posted and your own anctedotal evidence suggests some of it is founded.

I&#039;m a cop in a major midwestern metropolitan area. In my precint, of roughly 40 officers, 2 are devoutly religous, a handful secular catholics, one a secular jew, the rest non-religious or athiests, including my best friend at work, an athiest.

And we all go out for a beer with each other (except the Nazarene who drinks Dr. Pepper all night) and nobody gives a damn what religion they are or aren&#039;t.  

I&#039;m sorry you experience prejiduce for what you believe.  I&#039;m sorry you&#039;ve lost friends because of it.  And I&#039;m thankful that world is foreign to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ty, your coming out of the closet example tells me how athiests percieve themselves in context with those around them.  I wonder if some of it is a self-fufilling prophecy, though clearly the survey I posted and your own anctedotal evidence suggests some of it is founded.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a cop in a major midwestern metropolitan area. In my precint, of roughly 40 officers, 2 are devoutly religous, a handful secular catholics, one a secular jew, the rest non-religious or athiests, including my best friend at work, an athiest.</p>
<p>And we all go out for a beer with each other (except the Nazarene who drinks Dr. Pepper all night) and nobody gives a damn what religion they are or aren&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry you experience prejiduce for what you believe.  I&#8217;m sorry you&#8217;ve lost friends because of it.  And I&#8217;m thankful that world is foreign to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Wikipedia:  Legal and social discrimination against atheists in some places may lead some to deny or conceal their atheism due to fears of persecution. A 2006 study by researchers at the University of Minnesota involving a poll of 2,000 households in the United States found atheists to be the most distrusted of minorities, more so than Muslims, recent immigrants, gays and lesbians, and other groups. Many of the respondents associated atheism with immorality, including criminal behaviour, extreme materialism, and elitism.[4] However, the same study also reported that, “The researchers also found acceptance or rejection of atheists is related not only to personal religiosity, but also to one’s exposure to diversity, education and political orientation — with more educated, East and West Coast Americans more accepting of atheists than their Midwestern counterparts.”[4]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Wikipedia:  Legal and social discrimination against atheists in some places may lead some to deny or conceal their atheism due to fears of persecution. A 2006 study by researchers at the University of Minnesota involving a poll of 2,000 households in the United States found atheists to be the most distrusted of minorities, more so than Muslims, recent immigrants, gays and lesbians, and other groups. Many of the respondents associated atheism with immorality, including criminal behaviour, extreme materialism, and elitism.[4] However, the same study also reported that, “The researchers also found acceptance or rejection of atheists is related not only to personal religiosity, but also to one’s exposure to diversity, education and political orientation — with more educated, East and West Coast Americans more accepting of atheists than their Midwestern counterparts.”[4]</p>
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		<title>By: Ty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that many atheists speak of &#039;coming out of the closet&#039;, or frankly, of staying firmly inside the closet with friend and family should tell you a lot about how most atheists are treated.

I personally lost every friend I made during my thirty years as a Christian once I came out of the closet as a deconverted atheist.

In some ways, being an atheist in America is very much like being gay.  Yeah, a lot of decent people won&#039;t treat you any differently, but it&#039;s not until you&#039;re living openly that you realize just how much discrimination exists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that many atheists speak of &#8216;coming out of the closet&#8217;, or frankly, of staying firmly inside the closet with friend and family should tell you a lot about how most atheists are treated.</p>
<p>I personally lost every friend I made during my thirty years as a Christian once I came out of the closet as a deconverted atheist.</p>
<p>In some ways, being an atheist in America is very much like being gay.  Yeah, a lot of decent people won&#8217;t treat you any differently, but it&#8217;s not until you&#8217;re living openly that you realize just how much discrimination exists.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spurs Fan... maybe those surveys were just talking about sarcastic, condescending athiests... who knows.

Hemant, sorry about misspelling the name, brother.

In the mean time, I&#039;m gonna google around for those surveys and see exactly what they say and who the survey population was.  Though to be honest, I&#039;d rather hear real life stories than stats any day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spurs Fan&#8230; maybe those surveys were just talking about sarcastic, condescending athiests&#8230; who knows.</p>
<p>Hemant, sorry about misspelling the name, brother.</p>
<p>In the mean time, I&#8217;m gonna google around for those surveys and see exactly what they say and who the survey population was.  Though to be honest, I&#8217;d rather hear real life stories than stats any day.</p>
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		<title>By: Ty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I think you’ll find any recent survey about which group is the most ostracized refuting this. Atheists are well below Muslims, Homosexuals, Mormans, and any other group.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yarp.  I was going to mention this as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think you’ll find any recent survey about which group is the most ostracized refuting this. Atheists are well below Muslims, Homosexuals, Mormans, and any other group.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yarp.  I was going to mention this as well.</p>
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