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	<title>Comments on: What Do I Do At an Anti-Gay Workshop?</title>
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		<title>By: Scott F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go in drag!</description>
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		<title>By: Pseudonym</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pseudonym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 03:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with everything that Cindy said 100%.  Especially the bit about flirting with guys.

By going with an inquiring mind and an irenic attitude, you can find out for the rest of us what their actual positions are.  Then report back what you found.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with everything that Cindy said 100%.  Especially the bit about flirting with guys.</p>
<p>By going with an inquiring mind and an irenic attitude, you can find out for the rest of us what their actual positions are.  Then report back what you found.</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 00:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is probably the hardest option, but the most productive.  Go with, if not an open mind, an inquiring mind.  Strive to find out where your own strawman of their position is.  

After reading the statement from the Vatican today about the &quot;atheist&quot; stance that evolution proves there is no god,(ack, giant strawman hurts my brain) my conclusion is that the only way we move forward is to argue against the real positions, not red herrings or outlying crazy folks or our misunderstanding of their beliefs. 

Find their best arguments from their most reasonable people in spite of how distasteful it may be.  You have to assume that at least a few of them aren&#039;t complete idiots and can at least present an interesting position.

Or go and flirt with guys.   :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is probably the hardest option, but the most productive.  Go with, if not an open mind, an inquiring mind.  Strive to find out where your own strawman of their position is.  </p>
<p>After reading the statement from the Vatican today about the &#8220;atheist&#8221; stance that evolution proves there is no god,(ack, giant strawman hurts my brain) my conclusion is that the only way we move forward is to argue against the real positions, not red herrings or outlying crazy folks or our misunderstanding of their beliefs. </p>
<p>Find their best arguments from their most reasonable people in spite of how distasteful it may be.  You have to assume that at least a few of them aren&#8217;t complete idiots and can at least present an interesting position.</p>
<p>Or go and flirt with guys.   <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Vystrix Nexoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vystrix Nexoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second Mike’s suggestion (offer difficult questions under the pretense that you’re a supporter looking for responses to questions from those atheists at your blog). If they ask for your blog’s address, give them a tinyurl address that leads here. :)

Or, as some others have mentioned, make ironic arguments ostensibly favoring their position but with flaws even &lt;em&gt;they&lt;/em&gt; should be able to see, and/or that would turn others off (those who aren’t already firmly in their camp) if they were to use such arguments themselves. Perhaps, for example:“a woman being a lesbian means she’s being sexual in her own right rather than accepting men’s God-given authority over her sexuality” or “a woman being a lesbian means she’s exercising her own sexuality rather than exercising a man’s sexuality”“men who are gay are reduced to the status of women: men ought to screw, not &lt;em&gt;be&lt;/em&gt; screwed”“genitals &lt;em&gt;matter&lt;/em&gt;, people!” or “it &lt;em&gt;matters&lt;/em&gt; whether you have a penis or a vagina!”Arguments like those might well resonate with those people. However, the arguments are overtly sexist, which many people— who aren’t already firmly in the sexist camp— are offended by, or at least uncomfortable with, so such arguments might turn them away from the anti-gay side. Just as with elections: you’re not going to convince hardcore partisans from the other side, it’ll be decided by those in the middle who can be swayed.

(I chose gender as the basis for those examples because, ultimately, homophobia is sexism, in which approval of something depends on the genders of the people involved.)

Hope I didn’t post this too late for it to be considered. Heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second Mike’s suggestion (offer difficult questions under the pretense that you’re a supporter looking for responses to questions from those atheists at your blog). If they ask for your blog’s address, give them a tinyurl address that leads here. <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Or, as some others have mentioned, make ironic arguments ostensibly favoring their position but with flaws even <em>they</em> should be able to see, and/or that would turn others off (those who aren’t already firmly in their camp) if they were to use such arguments themselves. Perhaps, for example:“a woman being a lesbian means she’s being sexual in her own right rather than accepting men’s God-given authority over her sexuality” or “a woman being a lesbian means she’s exercising her own sexuality rather than exercising a man’s sexuality”“men who are gay are reduced to the status of women: men ought to screw, not <em>be</em> screwed”“genitals <em>matter</em>, people!” or “it <em>matters</em> whether you have a penis or a vagina!”Arguments like those might well resonate with those people. However, the arguments are overtly sexist, which many people— who aren’t already firmly in the sexist camp— are offended by, or at least uncomfortable with, so such arguments might turn them away from the anti-gay side. Just as with elections: you’re not going to convince hardcore partisans from the other side, it’ll be decided by those in the middle who can be swayed.</p>
<p>(I chose gender as the basis for those examples because, ultimately, homophobia is sexism, in which approval of something depends on the genders of the people involved.)</p>
<p>Hope I didn’t post this too late for it to be considered. Heh.</p>
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		<title>By: Dallas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Tom&lt;/em&gt;: Thanks so much for your well-reasoned, articulate comments. I live in California, where Kenneth Starr is trying to invalidate the 18,000 gay marriages that took place last year. I appreciate your giving me some much-needed responses to use in discussions with my less-liberal acquaintances. If you have additional suggestions, please post them here. I am learning a lot from you--again, thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Tom</em>: Thanks so much for your well-reasoned, articulate comments. I live in California, where Kenneth Starr is trying to invalidate the 18,000 gay marriages that took place last year. I appreciate your giving me some much-needed responses to use in discussions with my less-liberal acquaintances. If you have additional suggestions, please post them here. I am learning a lot from you&#8211;again, thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: grazatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>grazatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;option four. innocent and confused is always the way to go.
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I agree, best way to get honest answers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>option four. innocent and confused is always the way to go.
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<p>I agree, best way to get honest answers</p>
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		<title>By: SarahH</title>
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		<dc:creator>SarahH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 16:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A combination of #1 and #4, please.</description>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 16:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to disagree with &lt;i&gt;buffy&lt;/i&gt; - you CAN change their minds, it&#039;s just time consuming and difficult. I have changed the minds of rabidly anti-gay bigots before. One was so upset by what I drummed into his head over time that he left his radical right wing church over it, and if I remember correctly, he intended to find a new, more liberal church but ultimately stopped going to church altogether. He gave me no clue that his opinion was changing, just one day he suddenly announced that I was entirely right all along, apologized, and switched sides.

One down, one hundred million to go.

To &lt;i&gt;Bruce&lt;/i&gt;, I&#039;d like to say, it&#039;s a bad idea to record people without their permission. You can be arrested for that in some states, sued in many others. Best to walk in with video camera obviously in hand so nobody can claim not to have known what was going on, and if anyone says they don&#039;t want to be recorded, just walk away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree with <i>buffy</i> &#8211; you CAN change their minds, it&#8217;s just time consuming and difficult. I have changed the minds of rabidly anti-gay bigots before. One was so upset by what I drummed into his head over time that he left his radical right wing church over it, and if I remember correctly, he intended to find a new, more liberal church but ultimately stopped going to church altogether. He gave me no clue that his opinion was changing, just one day he suddenly announced that I was entirely right all along, apologized, and switched sides.</p>
<p>One down, one hundred million to go.</p>
<p>To <i>Bruce</i>, I&#8217;d like to say, it&#8217;s a bad idea to record people without their permission. You can be arrested for that in some states, sued in many others. Best to walk in with video camera obviously in hand so nobody can claim not to have known what was going on, and if anyone says they don&#8217;t want to be recorded, just walk away.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 16:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>option four. innocent and confused is always the way to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>option four. innocent and confused is always the way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 16:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bring a recording device or take lots of notes.  Play like your one of them.  And then use their own words against them by writing a letter to your local newspaper exposing their hate and ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bring a recording device or take lots of notes.  Play like your one of them.  And then use their own words against them by writing a letter to your local newspaper exposing their hate and ignorance.</p>
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