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	<title>Comments on: Things I Found Out at the Anti-Gay Workshop</title>
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	<description>by Hemant Mehta</description>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/03/05/things-i-found-out-at-the-anti-gay-workshop/#comment-380035</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 03:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to chime in with this:

There is hope. I went to a private, catholic high school. My senior year, several students participated in the day of silence. How much backlash was there? None. No complaints from teachers, students, or the administration. Not every religious community is close-minded and bigoted. I think that&#039;s one of the only reasons I survived 13 years of catholic schooling as an atheist. I got lucky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to chime in with this:</p>
<p>There is hope. I went to a private, catholic high school. My senior year, several students participated in the day of silence. How much backlash was there? None. No complaints from teachers, students, or the administration. Not every religious community is close-minded and bigoted. I think that&#8217;s one of the only reasons I survived 13 years of catholic schooling as an atheist. I got lucky.</p>
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		<title>By: johnny erb</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnny erb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 03:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hemant, nicely done. I&#039;m a father of 3 in SOUTH ALABAMA and I appreciate this post. I don&#039;t want to hear about any more adolescent suicides in the news because there&#039;s this culture of ignorance. It remains an issue and i feel sad for humanity now, thanks. er uh thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hemant, nicely done. I&#8217;m a father of 3 in SOUTH ALABAMA and I appreciate this post. I don&#8217;t want to hear about any more adolescent suicides in the news because there&#8217;s this culture of ignorance. It remains an issue and i feel sad for humanity now, thanks. er uh thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&quot;You’re advocating throwing people in jail for lying. FOR LYING&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;


If that was the case, most people who call themselves &quot;christians&quot; would be sent straight to jail.  

It&#039;s no secret that &quot;christian&quot; organizations hire pathological liars to spread lies about gays, among other groups of people.  And then when their followers repeat the lies - well that&#039;s more than a busload of nutjobs going straight to hell right there.

&quot;Christians&quot; spit on the bible every time they knowingly lie about a particular group of people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;You’re advocating throwing people in jail for lying. FOR LYING&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>If that was the case, most people who call themselves &#8220;christians&#8221; would be sent straight to jail.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s no secret that &#8220;christian&#8221; organizations hire pathological liars to spread lies about gays, among other groups of people.  And then when their followers repeat the lies &#8211; well that&#8217;s more than a busload of nutjobs going straight to hell right there.</p>
<p>&#8220;Christians&#8221; spit on the bible every time they knowingly lie about a particular group of people.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 03:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This pattern of early death calls the healthfulness of homosexuality into question.”This pattern of early death calls the healthfulness of homosexuality into question.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Now compare it to the pattern for your so-called &quot;former&quot; homosexuals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This pattern of early death calls the healthfulness of homosexuality into question.”This pattern of early death calls the healthfulness of homosexuality into question.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Now compare it to the pattern for your so-called &#8220;former&#8221; homosexuals.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 02:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;do me a favor and type “gay pride parade” into a google image search. Here, I’ll even put it into a link: gay pride parade You look at those pictures and tell me that the Gay community is not about promiscuity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

First, the vast majority of gays never march in gay pride parades. Second, you either have no idea what the word &quot;promiscuous&quot; means or you&#039;re pretending not to -- and, given how many lies you pack into every paragraph, I&#039;ll go with the latter.

If you&#039;re really interested in promiscuity, google &quot;spring break&quot; or &quot;college dorm&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>do me a favor and type “gay pride parade” into a google image search. Here, I’ll even put it into a link: gay pride parade You look at those pictures and tell me that the Gay community is not about promiscuity.</p></blockquote>
<p>First, the vast majority of gays never march in gay pride parades. Second, you either have no idea what the word &#8220;promiscuous&#8221; means or you&#8217;re pretending not to &#8212; and, given how many lies you pack into every paragraph, I&#8217;ll go with the latter.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re really interested in promiscuity, google &#8220;spring break&#8221; or &#8220;college dorm&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 02:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I believe everyone should be tortured for all eternity for even the tiniest of sins; starting with myself!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Then you&#039;re insane.

&lt;blockquote&gt; You see, the penalty of committing sin is eternal suffering!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, only an insane person would &quot;see&quot; that.

&lt;blockquote&gt;But a certain someone by the name of Jesus Christ died on the cross, so anyone; homosexual, porn addict(was me), liar(me too), and thief(yep me) alike doesn’t have to suffer eternally!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There&#039;s a more straightforward reason why we don&#039;t have to suffer eternally: because your insane fantasies aren&#039;t real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I believe everyone should be tortured for all eternity for even the tiniest of sins; starting with myself!</p></blockquote>
<p>Then you&#8217;re insane.</p>
<blockquote><p> You see, the penalty of committing sin is eternal suffering!</p></blockquote>
<p>No, only an insane person would &#8220;see&#8221; that.</p>
<blockquote><p>But a certain someone by the name of Jesus Christ died on the cross, so anyone; homosexual, porn addict(was me), liar(me too), and thief(yep me) alike doesn’t have to suffer eternally!</p></blockquote>
<p>There&#8217;s a more straightforward reason why we don&#8217;t have to suffer eternally: because your insane fantasies aren&#8217;t real.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 02:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You are not a victim if you are warned of the consequences.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So if a robber says &quot;give me all your money or I&#039;ll kill you&quot; and you resist and the robber kills you, you aren&#039;t a victim?

Here&#039;s the thing about Christians, at least Christians like you: they are &lt;strong&gt;horrible&lt;/strong&gt; people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You are not a victim if you are warned of the consequences.</p></blockquote>
<p>So if a robber says &#8220;give me all your money or I&#8217;ll kill you&#8221; and you resist and the robber kills you, you aren&#8217;t a victim?</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the thing about Christians, at least Christians like you: they are <strong>horrible</strong> people.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 02:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And maybe the statistics say that more Christians buy porn because they are more likely to admit it because they feel guilty?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Maybe denial is just a river in Egypt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And maybe the statistics say that more Christians buy porn because they are more likely to admit it because they feel guilty?</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe denial is just a river in Egypt.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 02:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Christianity does not offer eternal damnation it offers eternal salvation. There is a choice.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Your second statement establishes that your first statement was a lie.

Christianity says that, if we don&#039;t stroke its neurotic god&#039;s massive ego, we&#039;ll suffer forever. Some &quot;choice&quot; that is. Fortunately, there&#039;s another choice, the correct one: your sick notions are completely fictional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Christianity does not offer eternal damnation it offers eternal salvation. There is a choice.</p></blockquote>
<p>Your second statement establishes that your first statement was a lie.</p>
<p>Christianity says that, if we don&#8217;t stroke its neurotic god&#8217;s massive ego, we&#8217;ll suffer forever. Some &#8220;choice&#8221; that is. Fortunately, there&#8217;s another choice, the correct one: your sick notions are completely fictional.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 02:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Why must atheists be liberal?

Why not libertarian?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Why must eyes be brown? Why not  blue?

The reason &lt;em&gt;this&lt;/em&gt; atheist isn&#039;t a libertarian is that libertarianism is based on fallacies, falsehoods, and lack of empathy.

&lt;blockquote&gt;• To deprive one of his/her liberty to self-expression is anathema to libertarians. Most advocate gay rights.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not including yourself, apparently:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
• To give gays access to our government schools to solicit support for hate-crime legislation (read, anti-free speech legislation) and special rights is also anathema.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So you wish to deny gays access to our government schools that other people have -- either that or you are incapable of constructing a meaningful sentence. If you believe in freedom of speech, then why is any sort of solicitation &quot;anathema&quot;? Apparently only solicitation that you agree with is ok. And what are these &quot;special rights&quot; you speak of? Other than homophobic code language, that is. If you&#039;re not a homophobe who wishes to restrict gay rights, why do you sound exactly like one?

And, of course, hate crime legislation has nothing to do with restrictions of free speech. Rather, it applies to crimes directed against people because of their group characteristics. Legislatures rightly see this as particularly dangerous to society. And the claims of libertarians that criminal penalties shouldn&#039;t depend on motivation is, like so much of libertarianism, simply quasi-religious dogma that is repeated robotically but has no logical basis.

&lt;blockquote&gt;• To support gay marriage is to endorse government licensure. A license is more than acknowledgement. It is permission. That government would be granted the power to permit one to have a spouse is an over reach of its authority. Rather than support gay marriage, we should oppose the concept of licensing family units. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is a false dichotomy even more foolish and disingenuous than that one about liberal vs. libertarian atheists. &lt;em&gt;As long as marriage licenses exist&lt;/em&gt;, support of gay marriage is simply support of equal treatment under the law. One can, at the same time as supporting equal treatment, oppose &quot;government licensing of family units&quot; -- which is really a form of discrimination against unmarried persons.

Again, the reason &lt;em&gt;I&lt;/em&gt; am not a libertarian is because I&#039;m neither a fool, an ignoramus,  nor intellectually dishonest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Why must atheists be liberal?</p>
<p>Why not libertarian?</p></blockquote>
<p>Why must eyes be brown? Why not  blue?</p>
<p>The reason <em>this</em> atheist isn&#8217;t a libertarian is that libertarianism is based on fallacies, falsehoods, and lack of empathy.</p>
<blockquote><p>• To deprive one of his/her liberty to self-expression is anathema to libertarians. Most advocate gay rights.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not including yourself, apparently:</p>
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• To give gays access to our government schools to solicit support for hate-crime legislation (read, anti-free speech legislation) and special rights is also anathema.</p></blockquote>
<p>So you wish to deny gays access to our government schools that other people have &#8212; either that or you are incapable of constructing a meaningful sentence. If you believe in freedom of speech, then why is any sort of solicitation &#8220;anathema&#8221;? Apparently only solicitation that you agree with is ok. And what are these &#8220;special rights&#8221; you speak of? Other than homophobic code language, that is. If you&#8217;re not a homophobe who wishes to restrict gay rights, why do you sound exactly like one?</p>
<p>And, of course, hate crime legislation has nothing to do with restrictions of free speech. Rather, it applies to crimes directed against people because of their group characteristics. Legislatures rightly see this as particularly dangerous to society. And the claims of libertarians that criminal penalties shouldn&#8217;t depend on motivation is, like so much of libertarianism, simply quasi-religious dogma that is repeated robotically but has no logical basis.</p>
<blockquote><p>• To support gay marriage is to endorse government licensure. A license is more than acknowledgement. It is permission. That government would be granted the power to permit one to have a spouse is an over reach of its authority. Rather than support gay marriage, we should oppose the concept of licensing family units. </p></blockquote>
<p>This is a false dichotomy even more foolish and disingenuous than that one about liberal vs. libertarian atheists. <em>As long as marriage licenses exist</em>, support of gay marriage is simply support of equal treatment under the law. One can, at the same time as supporting equal treatment, oppose &#8220;government licensing of family units&#8221; &#8212; which is really a form of discrimination against unmarried persons.</p>
<p>Again, the reason <em>I</em> am not a libertarian is because I&#8217;m neither a fool, an ignoramus,  nor intellectually dishonest.</p>
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