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	<title>Comments on: Interview with Kathryn Joyce, Author of Quiverfull</title>
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	<description>by Hemant Mehta</description>
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		<title>By: mylilones</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/03/25/interview-with-kathryn-joyce-author-of-quiverfull/#comment-822989</link>
		<dc:creator>mylilones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 02:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly you don&#039;t even need to be religious to get Hijacked and stuck in this movement, I have given birth to 5 kids, I got out lucky, because the stress of to many pregnancies had the doctors attending my kids births (due to a complication with my third pregnancy) actually managed to convince my ex to allow a Tubal (or maybe they didn&#039;t they just managed to get him out of the room) I was honestly absolutely terrified of this guy. I knew he was christian when I married him, he just seemed like the typical christian to me, after our first he started getting abusive and sabotaging any efforts at outside help or birth control. With each child it got worse, after the third due to catching chicken pox and having it  turn to pnumonia while I was 7 months pregnant putting me in ICU and making my son both preterm and later die, it got horrible, I finally left after 15 years in this, It took me that long to realize what it was doing to my daughters and overcome the fear of him. This movement teaches this, is ok, it teaches serving through fear. I know now I should have ran, the things he put me through were not good influences, his manners of punishment for me and the kids also not. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly you don&#8217;t even need to be religious to get Hijacked and stuck in this movement, I have given birth to 5 kids, I got out lucky, because the stress of to many pregnancies had the doctors attending my kids births (due to a complication with my third pregnancy) actually managed to convince my ex to allow a Tubal (or maybe they didn&#8217;t they just managed to get him out of the room) I was honestly absolutely terrified of this guy. I knew he was christian when I married him, he just seemed like the typical christian to me, after our first he started getting abusive and sabotaging any efforts at outside help or birth control. With each child it got worse, after the third due to catching chicken pox and having it  turn to pnumonia while I was 7 months pregnant putting me in ICU and making my son both preterm and later die, it got horrible, I finally left after 15 years in this, It took me that long to realize what it was doing to my daughters and overcome the fear of him. This movement teaches this, is ok, it teaches serving through fear. I know now I should have ran, the things he put me through were not good influences, his manners of punishment for me and the kids also not. </p>
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		<title>By: My Fascination With the Duggars and Quiverful &#171; SCIENCE-BASED PARENTING</title>
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		<dc:creator>My Fascination With the Duggars and Quiverful &#171; SCIENCE-BASED PARENTING</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jan 2011 02:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fascination for me.   I first heard about the Christian Patriarchy on Hemant Mehta&#8217;s Friendly Atheist blog.  He posted several excerpts from Katherine Joyce&#8217;s book Quiverfull: Inside the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] fascination for me.   I first heard about the Christian Patriarchy on Hemant Mehta&#8217;s Friendly Atheist blog.  He posted several excerpts from Katherine Joyce&#8217;s book Quiverfull: Inside the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Truth Wins Out - The Duggar Family Will Be Honored by the FRC With Their First Ever &#8220;Pro-Family Entertainment Award&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truth Wins Out - The Duggar Family Will Be Honored by the FRC With Their First Ever &#8220;Pro-Family Entertainment Award&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 23:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] For more information on the cult religious movement the Duggars are involved in, click here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] For more information on the cult religious movement the Duggars are involved in, click here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 07:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand there is a lot of comparison between the quiverfull movement and the Catholic church.  However, as a devout Catholic, I can honestly say, that while we believe the male represents the head of household, women are equal to men.  women have just as many rights in decision making in a household as men do.  While Catholic doctrine teaches generally to shun birth control, unlike the extreme ideal of the quiverfull, women and men space their children through natural family planning and long nursing periods.  Birth Control pills and hormone use is also not shunned for women who have hormonal issues.  and should a man demand sex, a woman has every right to deny or say no, for she has power over her body.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand there is a lot of comparison between the quiverfull movement and the Catholic church.  However, as a devout Catholic, I can honestly say, that while we believe the male represents the head of household, women are equal to men.  women have just as many rights in decision making in a household as men do.  While Catholic doctrine teaches generally to shun birth control, unlike the extreme ideal of the quiverfull, women and men space their children through natural family planning and long nursing periods.  Birth Control pills and hormone use is also not shunned for women who have hormonal issues.  and should a man demand sex, a woman has every right to deny or say no, for she has power over her body.</p>
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		<title>By: College Grad</title>
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		<dc:creator>College Grad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is Christianity gone mad!!Any female who defends the Duggars and their lifestyle,ought to trade places with one of the older daughters,in that family for two weeks.After the second day,you&#039;ll be saying:&quot;I WANT OUT&quot;!!They would not be able to wear jeans or slacks!!They would not be plunked down in front of the TV set watching shows like:Hanna Montana;American Idol;Dancing with the Stars;and especially Desparate Housewives!!They would have to wear attire that&#039;s straight out of &quot;Little House On The Prarie&quot;!! How hideous those outfits are!!The Jumper dresses on the younger girls look as if they were &quot;Pirated&quot; off a &quot;Chatty Cathy&quot; doll!!This ain&#039;t religion,this is a &quot;Police State&quot;,pure and simple!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is Christianity gone mad!!Any female who defends the Duggars and their lifestyle,ought to trade places with one of the older daughters,in that family for two weeks.After the second day,you&#8217;ll be saying:&#8221;I WANT OUT&#8221;!!They would not be able to wear jeans or slacks!!They would not be plunked down in front of the TV set watching shows like:Hanna Montana;American Idol;Dancing with the Stars;and especially Desparate Housewives!!They would have to wear attire that&#8217;s straight out of &#8220;Little House On The Prarie&#8221;!! How hideous those outfits are!!The Jumper dresses on the younger girls look as if they were &#8220;Pirated&#8221; off a &#8220;Chatty Cathy&#8221; doll!!This ain&#8217;t religion,this is a &#8220;Police State&#8221;,pure and simple!!</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This basically sums up the author&#039;s knowledge of what she is talking about:

&quot;I don’t know of any real research on the Quiverfull movement yet.&quot; -Kathryn Joyce

Sad that she would just try to find a few disparate voices within the &quot;movement&quot; that support her hatred of Christianity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This basically sums up the author&#8217;s knowledge of what she is talking about:</p>
<p>&#8220;I don’t know of any real research on the Quiverfull movement yet.&#8221; -Kathryn Joyce</p>
<p>Sad that she would just try to find a few disparate voices within the &#8220;movement&#8221; that support her hatred of Christianity.</p>
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		<title>By: esbee</title>
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		<dc:creator>esbee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God does not make &quot;cookie cutter Christians&quot;, meaning each christian has to follow the individual path God has laid out for them....It is a personal relationship and we do not always follow closely, sometimes not at all. For some missionaries, they chose to leave behind their one or two children to let others raise them  as they felt led by God into deepest darkest jungles to spread the Gospel. 
In my case, with my husband suffering illness after illness in our 30 plus yrs of marriage, we felt no kids was best for our situation. I never wanted any anyway, so God had already made someone to be my husband&#039;s life partner. 
Joni Eareckson, a vibrant Christian, lives her life in a wheel chair after being crippled in a diving accident as a young woman. God gave her a husband who loves her deeply but they have no children. 
Jesus never married nor had children as He was about HIs father&#039;s business. 
The problem is that sometimes we think that what God wants in our life is what He wants for every other christian, then we mistakenly try to put those ways of living on others as being the only way. Remember, there was only one Moses who led the Israelites out of Egypt, one Noah, one flood, only one David who slew Goliath, and one Mary who was visited by the Holy Spirit to become pregnant with Jesus. 
I once helped a family much like the Duggars homeschool as they were on their way to having 12 kids. The wife said to me all she could ever think of as she was growing up was having babies. I told her all I could ever think of as I was growing up was having horses, which God has blessed me with 3.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God does not make &#8220;cookie cutter Christians&#8221;, meaning each christian has to follow the individual path God has laid out for them&#8230;.It is a personal relationship and we do not always follow closely, sometimes not at all. For some missionaries, they chose to leave behind their one or two children to let others raise them  as they felt led by God into deepest darkest jungles to spread the Gospel.<br />
In my case, with my husband suffering illness after illness in our 30 plus yrs of marriage, we felt no kids was best for our situation. I never wanted any anyway, so God had already made someone to be my husband&#8217;s life partner.<br />
Joni Eareckson, a vibrant Christian, lives her life in a wheel chair after being crippled in a diving accident as a young woman. God gave her a husband who loves her deeply but they have no children.<br />
Jesus never married nor had children as He was about HIs father&#8217;s business.<br />
The problem is that sometimes we think that what God wants in our life is what He wants for every other christian, then we mistakenly try to put those ways of living on others as being the only way. Remember, there was only one Moses who led the Israelites out of Egypt, one Noah, one flood, only one David who slew Goliath, and one Mary who was visited by the Holy Spirit to become pregnant with Jesus.<br />
I once helped a family much like the Duggars homeschool as they were on their way to having 12 kids. The wife said to me all she could ever think of as she was growing up was having babies. I told her all I could ever think of as I was growing up was having horses, which God has blessed me with 3.</p>
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		<title>By: Seventhson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seventhson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 20:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Referring also to &quot;flash in a pan&quot;, I think that is the best way to weigh out the winsomeness of the quiverfull lifestyle. The children who are raised in these households will either accept it for themselves as adults or reject it as adults. The results are still out...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Referring also to &#8220;flash in a pan&#8221;, I think that is the best way to weigh out the winsomeness of the quiverfull lifestyle. The children who are raised in these households will either accept it for themselves as adults or reject it as adults. The results are still out&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: My Two Cents is Free</title>
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		<dc:creator>My Two Cents is Free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 22:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Quiverfull leaders strongly argue against allowing daughters to attend college away from home, as the encounter with worldly outsiders could damage or destroy their faith.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;/em&gt;
If you can&#039;t test it, it doesn&#039;t exist.

Faith, that is ;) Among other things.

Therefore, it&#039;s not fear that their daughters&#039; faith may be &lt;em&gt;damaged&lt;/em&gt; - just that it may be revealed their daughters never really had any true faith, they were just going through the motions they&#039;d been taught.

Imagine being stuck in a society like that when you didn&#039;t even have faith in it. Gruesome.

They should let them go, and weed out the faithless so they can go live their lives. The faithful will return and never leave. I mean, it would make the &quot;religion&quot; stronger, as it would only contain the faithful.</description>
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<blockquote>Quiverfull leaders strongly argue against allowing daughters to attend college away from home, as the encounter with worldly outsiders could damage or destroy their faith.</p></blockquote>
<p></em><br />
If you can&#8217;t test it, it doesn&#8217;t exist.</p>
<p>Faith, that is <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  Among other things.</p>
<p>Therefore, it&#8217;s not fear that their daughters&#8217; faith may be <em>damaged</em> &#8211; just that it may be revealed their daughters never really had any true faith, they were just going through the motions they&#8217;d been taught.</p>
<p>Imagine being stuck in a society like that when you didn&#8217;t even have faith in it. Gruesome.</p>
<p>They should let them go, and weed out the faithless so they can go live their lives. The faithful will return and never leave. I mean, it would make the &#8220;religion&#8221; stronger, as it would only contain the faithful.</p>
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		<title>By: Sophie's Ladder. Christian theology, philosophy, world religions, science.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sophie's Ladder. Christian theology, philosophy, world religions, science.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 18:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] control and have as many children as possible:  A New Way of Looking at the Quiverful Movement; Interview with Kathryn Joyce, author of Quiverful; Am I to gather that birth control is an atheist [...]</description>
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