Burn Those Evil Science Books!

At this Glenn Beck-approved 9/12 Project Tea Party rally (“wherein citizens protest the government’s use of taxpayer money in its response to the economic crisis — primarily in the TARP bailout, and also the $787 economic stimulus package”), you heard your typical right-wing nutty commentary…

This one was particularly telling:



The transcript:

Woman: [Shouts] “Burn the books!” [applause]

Man: “I don’t think you were serious about that, were you?”

Woman: “I am too.”

Man: “Burn all the books?!”

Woman: “The ones in college, those, those brainwashing books.”

Man: “[laughs] Brainwashing books?”

Woman: “Yes.”

Man: “Which ones are those?”

Woman: “Like, the evolution crap, and, yeah…”

That tells you pretty much everything you need to know about FOXNews Channel viewers…

(via The Daily Dish)

  • AnonyMouse

    It continues to astonish me that (1) there are people who are that willfully ignorant and (2) I used to count myself among their numbers.

    I understand the need to defend one’s beliefs. It is perhaps the most important thing you can do. But when you have to ignore factual evidence to do it, you’ve got a problem.

    The best thing we can do, I think, is continue to educate the world on evolution. Make the knowledge of what it is, how it works, and why it is not “just a theory” freely available to anyone who asks. In time, young-earth creationism will go the way of geocentricism and the flat-earth myth.

    /polite

    GROW UP, YOU MORONS! THE WORLD IS NOT OUT TO GET YOU!

  • Brian Macker

    This is not at all representative about what the tea party protests are about. They’ve been open and yes some nut jobs do take the mike, but it isn’t about right wing religious nuthoodery.

    I went to the NYC tea party on Feb 28 and there were plenty of people mad at both parties. This spending plan is irresponsible to the point of insanity. We will be experiencing massive inflation going forward. You think it is bad now.

  • MV

    That is NOT representative of most FNC watchers. I am one of them. The person quoted is what is known as an extremist.

    People can be conservative politically without being conservative socially.

    The tea parties about government spending, not about religion or any of that BS.

    Granted, I do not normally watch Beck or O’reilly, and their actual exposing of stories is weak (CNN is much better), but I find their analysis (on the normal programs, not the talk shows) top-notch.

    Be careful of the same blind bigotry and stereotyping that plagues religion. Try to be a bit more open minded than that.

  • http://gaytheistagenda.lavenderliberal.com/ Buffy

    Indeed, that does tell you pretty much all you need to know about Faux News viewers.

  • Justin jm

    Granted, I do not normally watch Beck or O’reilly, and their actual exposing of stories is weak (CNN is much better), but I find their analysis (on the normal programs, not the talk shows) top-notch.

    I hope you are not referring to Mr. Beck’s “analysis” (New World Order crackpottery) of current events.

    That is NOT representative of most FNC watchers. I am one of them. The person quoted is what is known as an extremist.

    In all seriousness, I cannot tell how common the extremists are. I think they are reading from the same script (I refer to the man in the video ranting about Soros, digital cable “brainwashing” and Communist infiltration).

    Also, I think it is safe to say that this sort of conspiracy mongering has become relatively mainstream.

  • Wes

    # Brian Macker Says:
    April 11th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
    I went to the NYC tea party on Feb 28 and there were plenty of people mad at both parties. This spending plan is irresponsible to the point of insanity. We will be experiencing massive inflation going forward. You think it is bad now.

    MV Says:
    April 11th, 2009 at 6:09 pm

    People can be conservative politically without being conservative socially.

    The tea parties about government spending, not about religion or any of that BS.

    Where the hell were you fiscal conservatives while Bush was spending a trillion dollars and thousands of lives to wage a pointless war in Iraq?

    I mean, I agree that Obama’s spending is grossly excessive. But I was saying the same thing during the Bush administration, and strangely heard only silence from the right.

  • http://lyvvielimelight.blogspot.com Lyvvie

    The orator says previously that he’s refusing to pay taxes from now on. Here’s hoping he finds prison full of sympathetic listeners to preach to.

  • Gribble_the_munchkin

    It always astounds me as a European (Brit) how mainstream the crazy right is in the States. To be sure we have our crazy groups over here (such as the racist British National Party) but they are very much fringe.
    The guy that spoke most on this video should have been laughed at widely by those attending. Brainwashing via digital cable? Communist infiltration? College brainwashing? This man is a top level paranoid crazy. That he has counterparts in the MSM such as Glenn Beck (what a joke) scares the hell out of me.

    Its like the conservative movement was totally compliant, totally silent during the madness of the Bush years as torture, illegal wiretapping, illegal wars, executive power grabs, unconstitutional secretcy all went off the charts. Now that you have a moderate democrat in charge making decisions widely agreed upon by experts in the fields (such as the economy, you may think the spending is too much but the overwhelming majority of top economists think its the right thing to do) the right wing is going crazy talking about revolution, militias, government crackdowns and the end of civilization.

    Its just crazy. I can’t understand how these people got this way.

  • http://www.otmatheist.com hoverFrog

    Who else called for book burning, I wonder? Oh yeah, it was the Nazis.

    Anyone want to call Godwin’s Law?

  • Javier

    Just wat ait until Ol’ Glenn starts making uniforms and arming these people won’t that be a fun time.

  • http://reasonableatheist.blogspot.com Bart Dorsey

    If you watch the whole thing, it’s really hilarious. There’s one guy who’s talking about Obama’s marketing, and talking about this “box” they are going to put on people’s TVs. He’s talking about the DTV transition box. There’s this conspiracy theory that they have cameras in them. It’s such a load of bullshit.

  • Brian Macker

    Wes,

    I suggest you do a Google search on “Bush Drunk Sailor” and you will see lots of right wing articles printed long before the economic crisis complaining about Bush’s spending. Maybe your problem is that you don’t read outside your own limited political scope.

    Daddy Bush was also criticized by the right for his spending.

    Despite the prolific spending by Bush this Obama character makes him look like a piker.

    Clearly us “fiscal conservatives” were there all along. If you were against Bush on the basis of spending then you are in that group. If you were only play acting and only objected to the spending because you thought Saddam was a swell guy that would be a different story, or if you believed the war was “illegal” or some such nonsense.

    Check out this graphic.

    “I mean, I agree that Obama’s spending is grossly excessive. But I was saying the same thing during the Bush administration, and strangely heard only silence from the right.”

    Did you have your fingers in your ears? I heard the complaint all the time. Many people who didn’t have a moral problem with Bush putting down Saddam had big problems with his running Iraq like a subsidized socialist enclave. Many preferred to punish and leave as Bush I did, not try to turn an Islamic society into a democratic one via social engineering.

    I heard these complains all the time.

    Remember however that in politics the candidates are not voted in on single issues. If the only issue were spending then neither Bush nor Obama would ever have gotten into office in the first place. Besides the fact that there are party issues that restrict the candidates to those that are most corrupt (without crossing the line) and willing to share the loot they steal from the taxpayer.

    That’s why we end up with these corrupt officials. It was quite clear that Obama was from one of the most corrupt political machines, hung out with extremists, etc. That was all was ignored.

    Just so you know. I’m a what is known as a strong atheist with regards to most traditional religions. I’m an igtheist only in regards to certain wishy-washy philosophical Christians and Jews. I’ve never meet or read of a Muslim of this kind, so I am a strong atheist with regards to all Muslim claims about their diety.

    I also have a very strong economic background and have know we were on the fast path to serfdom since around 1994. I always expected social security to blow up on us but noticed that other more fast acting ponzi-like schemes were going to hit us first.

    I came out for bringing domestic torture charges on the Bush administration while he was in office. So don’t complain to me.

    Now that Obama supports torture I’m against him too on that issue. Not only is he supporting torture but he is obstructing justice by not investigating the Bush administration. So perhaps he should be brought up on conspiracy charges. There is a domestic law that outlaws torture, and for any American anywhere to commit torture.

    BTW, were are you on Obama’s support of the cyber security bill? Where you on the issue of torture? Have you changed your mind on dropping missiles on “civilians” in Pakistan? What about Obama’s anti-gay positions?

  • Justin jm

    Did you have your fingers in your ears? I heard the complaint all the time. Many people who didn’t have a moral problem with Bush putting down Saddam had big problems with his running Iraq like a subsidized socialist enclave. Many preferred to punish and leave as Bush I did, not try to turn an Islamic society into a democratic one via social engineering.

    I highly doubt that I missed something important, but I don’t recall anybody trying to turn Iraq into a “subsidized socialist enclave.” Additionally, those who called for a withdrawal were called troop-haters, and were asked why they hated America. That sort of dissent was not tolerated within the Republican Party.

    That’s why we end up with these corrupt officials. It was quite clear that Obama was from one of the most corrupt political machines, hung out with extremists, etc. That was all was ignored.

    I grant you that Chicagoan politics are corrupt. However, Obama didn’t “pal around with terrorists” and whatever his connections with Bill Ayers, the issue was investigated by the media as thoroughly as any issue could be.

    If you were only play acting and only objected to the spending because you thought Saddam was a swell guy that would be a different story, or if you believed the war was “illegal” or some such nonsense.

    I can’t think of an American who thought that Saddam was a “swell guy” and I can guarantee that this is not and has never been mainstream left-wing thought in America. I don’t know about the war being illegal but we now know that it was unnecessary, avoidable, and will ultimately cause America more harm than good.

  • Alex S.

    Brian Macker

    “…this Obama character…”

    He’s called the president.

    Just sayin’.

  • Ron W

    At least we know the head of the Republican Party isn’t Rush Limbaugh.

    It’s Glenn Beck.

  • Nasty

    The ones who don’t go to college think the ones who do go to college are the mentally weak ones.

    I love Republicans.

  • ImTheRabbit

    That made my blood run cold and I’m not kidding. That one little clip scares the shit out of me.

    Burn the books? The one’s in colleges?

    Does that not scare the shit out of anyone the way it does me because I’m sure that lady is not alone in that frightening idea.

  • Brian Macker

    “I highly doubt that I missed something important, but I don’t recall anybody trying to turn Iraq into a ‘subsidized socialist enclave’”

    Then you weren’t paying attention. The US is subsidizing the Iraq economy to the tune of billions. In the process Bush was setting salaries and prices within the country, which is socialism.

    “However, Obama didn’t “pal around with terrorists” and whatever his connections with Bill Ayers, the issue was investigated by the media as thoroughly as any issue could be.”

    Don’t invent quotes and attribute them to me. I said “hung out with extremists”. Which is true. He hung out with Jeremiah Wright, and Bill Ayers. Both are extremists.

    The new pastor of his church, Otis Moss, is also an extremist. I saw a video of him claiming that white people are responsible for the bad words in rap “music”.

    Obama had his political coming out party at Ayers apartment, and was groomed by Ayers, and got appointed to boards based on his contact with Ayers.

    You don’t get to be the Senator from Illinois without being deep into the corruption.

    Investigated by the media? Are you kidding me. He wasn’t vetted much further that the Rorschach test that are the words “Hope” and “Change”.

    “I can’t think of an American who thought that Saddam was a “swell guy” and I can guarantee that this is not and has never been mainstream left-wing thought in America.”

    Oh, I remember all sorts of arguments coming out of the left about how much better Saddam was running things than the Americans. Heck some on the left even ran over to Iraw to be his human shields.

    I don’t know about the war being illegal but we now know that it was unnecessary, avoidable, and will ultimately cause America more harm than good.

    The Democrats were beating the war drums long before Bush got into power. Clinton was quite adamant about Obama having WMD and gave talks on how we were going to have to do something about it.

    I’m quite sure if Democrats were in power they would have invaded a couple middle eastern countries too. It’s not like they didn’t invade Vietnam and drop the A-bomb. Democrats are quite willing to use force. Obama’s doing so now.

    You can watch the Democrats beating the war drums with Iraq and on youtube.

    The Iraq war was overwhelmingly supported by Democrats. After the Democrats got our troops involved, that’s when they started trying to stab the troops in the back. Nothing new. They did it with Vietnam.

  • Justin jm

    Then you weren’t paying attention. The US is subsidizing the Iraq economy to the tune of billions. In the process Bush was setting salaries and prices within the country, which is socialism.

    The subsidizing, I presume, was a part of the reconstruction. Do you have proof that Bush was setting salaries and prices?

    Investigated by the media? Are you kidding me. He wasn’t vetted much further that the Rorschach test that are the words “Hope” and “Change”.

    Actually, the media obsessed over the Obama-Ayers connection, and every other controversy about him. Ayers was brought up in one of the debates, as well as a question about Reverend Wright: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/16/us/politics/16text-debate.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

    I’m quite sure if Democrats were in power they would have invaded a couple middle eastern countries too. It’s not like they didn’t invade Vietnam and drop the A-bomb. Democrats are quite willing to use force. Obama’s doing so now.

    You can watch the Democrats beating the war drums with Iraq and on youtube.

    The Iraq war was overwhelmingly supported by Democrats. After the Democrats got our troops involved, that’s when they started trying to stab the troops in the back. Nothing new. They did it with Vietnam.

    “Stab the troops in the back?” Never. We are not traitors. How does getting the troops out of a situation where they are being killed equal stabbing them in the back?

    And, the US didn’t drop the A-bomb in Vietnam.

  • Yef

    It may be labeled “Project 9/12 Tea Party rally” but the fat man refers to an election in the present tense. Meaning the video was shot pre March 13, 2009 Glenn Beck Tea Party wackiness. Pre November 4, 2008 Ron Paul rally more like it.

  • http://www.nidoinfo.com This country is now far from American

    Wow, this is going to be a mess for a long time isn’t it? In unluckily related news…

    Supposedly, RNC “owns” Fox.
    http://digg.com/d1oWC3

    Yeah, this country is a mess, and an embarrassment from what our founding fathers wanted.

  • DTG in STL

    I gotta tell you… the lady who shot that video and said “Burn the books!” is one of us (a liberal).

    I think she went in to that wingnut party stealthlike and pretended to be a wingnut just so she could capture them on film without blowing her cover.

    And the reason that I think that is because I looked through her YouTube account, and found another video by the same lady at the same “912 Project” party, and she has the video tagged as: glenn beck, project 912, morons, hicks, hillbillies, uneducated retards, fox news.

    Look through the rest of her videos, and I have a hard time believing that this Canadian woman who lives in downtown Toronto and hangs out with hipsters is a true blue, dyed in the wool, anti-science, Glenn Beck worshipping conservative wingnut. She’s parodying these morons.

    I’m pretty sure she was documenting the idiots in all their glory and shouted out “Burn the books! The evolution ones!” just to see how people would react.

    Nevertheless, her ruse worked, because once she told the guy who seemed shocked when she said “Burn the books!” that she was talking about books about evolution, his response was, “Right. Yeah, I’m with you on that.”

    She’s being an amateur Stephen Colbert. I think it’s hilarious, and I think she pulled it off damn well, because I was fooled for a minute.

    But no, the lady shooting the video who screamed, “Burn the books!” wasn’t being serious. She was making fun of wingnuts. And they seemed to fall for the trap, as evidenced by the guy who agreed that it would be OK to burn evolution books.

  • http://enlightened-atheist.blogspot.com/ Thilina

    Just wat ait until Ol’ Glenn starts making uniforms and arming these people won’t that be a fun time.

    I dont know about the uniforms but he’s already asked everyone to arm them self (much cheaper for him). and plenty of crazies are listning, since apparently the best thing to do if the govenment is gonna take your guns away is buy as many as you can.

  • http://paulforpm.blogspot.com/ keddaw

    She may be a hoaxer, but the guy speaking to the group is talking about colleges brainwashing kids.

    Parents get 18 years with their kids but a professor can brainwash them in a couple of years?

    Teaching does not equal brainwashing. Imparting knowledge and encouraging questioning of ones beliefs and challenging authority is what university is supposed to be about.

  • an observer

    And just how is evolution a science? Science deals with things you can observe, test, and record. Evolution deals with a theory that (if it is true) was never seen by anyone and cannot be reproduced in a lab. There is no actual evidence. So in the end, you’re taking it by faith. It’s not about science versus religion; it’s about one belief versus another belief. If we could all accept that, maybe we wouldn’t be so hateful. And that girl is over the line, by the way. We should never impede the free exchange of ideas (i.e. burn books).

  • Evan from Toronto

    youre willfully ignorant of the facts “an observer”
    we have mountains of evidence in the forms of dna and fossils
    evolution is documented happening in bacteria, moths and other life forms, read a case study, it can be studied it in a lab or in nature
    it has nothing to do with belief unless you are a paranoid conspiracy theorists who thinks thousands of scientists are all working to invent this knowledge as the behest of the devil or some silly scheme like that


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