What Do Atheists Believe In?

This is a question all of us get asked: If you don’t believe in God, what do you believe in?

There are also a lot of similar answer most of us tend to give: I believe in the goodness of people, I believe in nature, I believe we all find different ways to answer that question, I believe in the Golden Rule, etc.

It’s really just a bad question. Just because we don’t believe in a God doesn’t mean we don’t believe in anything. And just because someone says they do believe in God doesn’t mean we know anything else about them.

Reader Claudia is trying to find a perfect answer:

… I do believe in plenty of things (love, the beauty of the universe, the joy of inquiry and discovery) but when confronted by a religious person with that question I always get the feeling that they want me to give one clear and simple “God substitute” that gives final and total meaning to my life.

I have no pseudo-God so I end up hesitating or appearing to be much less clear on what I do believe in than what I don’t.

I think it’s important to be able to answer a question like this because failure to do so only reinforces one of the more insidious stereotypes: that atheists “don’t believe in anything.”

How do you respond to the question?

Do you know of any response that just leaves the questioner breathless?

  • Tony

    I believe in myself, family, friends, and the power of science, education and reason to move humanity forward. I may get disappointed from time to time, but am optimistic in the future.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rocky-Morrison/100001552602936 Rocky Morrison

      Thats all great stuff.  And believing in the “goodness” of people is all feel good too.

      But it has nothing to do with atheism.

      You could just as well believe in the survival of the fitness or eliminating the weak, and still be a consistent atheist.

      Heck, you can be a mass murdering dictator and be an atheist…of a follower of Ayn Rand, Obama,  Lenin, Reagan, whoever.

      Come to think of it…atheism is pretty meaningless as far as all that goes.

  • http://nutsandreasons.blogspot.com/ quedula

    I believe there is no greater power than the Human Mind.

  • http://www.minervashowl.com dbuddah

    I like to say I believe in most of the ideas theists believe in–but with lower case letters. They talk of Meaning, Significance, Goodness, Hope, Love, etc. The capital letters indicate how everything has to be Ultimate and Universal. I talk instead of meaning, significance, goodness, hope, love, etc. Who needs Meaning (ultimate significance in the scope of the universe) when you can have meaning (for life’s not a paragraph and death I think is no parenthesis–eec).

  • Ron in Houston

    We all know the answer to that question.

    We believe that babies taste better fried than roasted.

  • Jason R

    I always thought that question reflected more on the person asking the question than the person answering it. To me it signifies that the person asking it is probably one of the following things (not a complete list): naive, non-introspective, lacking of imagination.

    That question is a big signal that my line of thinking is very different from theirs.

    Generally, when I am asked that question I just give a little head tilt and say: ahh reality.

    And I think reality pretty much covers it all. If its not part of reality, I don’t believe in it.

  • http://primesequence.blogspot.com/ PrimeNumbers

    The Future,
    That most people are pretty good,
    Free speech,
    Human life should be preserved,
    That genocide, slavery, rape and torture are all inherently wrong.

  • TalentedChimp

    I don’t believe, I think.

  • http://phenotypical.com Jason

    I think it’s helpful to answer that question by reminding people that many of us free-thinkers don’t necessarily rule out a God *prior* to the Big Bang. We need to win hearts and minds by delineating the evolution of our reality in the closed system that began with the Big Bang. But believers I’ve met rarely also understand that I at least am completely silent on the question of whether there is a God prior to the origin of the Universe. The question doesn’t particularly interest me – but leaving the door open seems to mean a lot to them.

  • Jakanapes

    I always ask them to define what they mean by “believe in”.

    Things that I think are important? Freedom, equality, fairness, etc.

    Things that I think are true without any evidence? Nothing.

  • TheDeadEye

    I believe in things that are believable.

  • Contented Man

    I find it impossible to give a specific answer because it is a non-specific question. Their question may as well be, what do you eat?

    That said, I really like TalentedChimp’s answer: “I don’t believe, I think.”

  • http://jedipunk.newsvine.com jedipunk

    I believe that children are our future
    treat them well and let them lead well…

    i always loved that song.

  • Anna N.

    The problem is that believing in the goodness of people, love, the beauty of the universe, etc, is not the same kind of belief as believing in god. It’s the same word, but it doesn’t mean the same thing (as so often happens in these kinds of conversations).

    There is no one thing to say, because a lot of us don’t have a replacement belief. I don’t have some hole in my mind where god-belief is “supposed to be”, that needs to be filled up with something else.

  • Reginald Selkirk

    I believe in ice cream. And I’ve actually seen it.

  • http://evilburnee.co.uk PaulJ

    I believe in the fundamental interconnectedness of all things.

    (Oops, no I don’t. That was somebody else….)

  • Tony

    I believe it’s NOT butter.

  • Frank

    The short answer: I believe in those things which I have good evidence and/or arguments for believing, and not in those things which I do not have good evidence and/or arguments for believing.

    The long answer requires a long conversation.

  • Andy D

    I usually avoid the question because everytime I have it, it goes into “Well my pastor said that you have no reason to be good, so obviously you’re not”. However, one time I was with someone who simply wouldn’t drop it so I gave them this little speech.

    I do believe in something greater then myself. I believe in the power of 6 billion human beings. I believe in something much greater then the human construct of “God”. God is only a machine that we invented to seperate ourselves based on fear and hatred. God only provides us with another excuse to divide ourselves and prevents us from reaching the true potential of the human mind. So yes I do believe in a higher power, and when I wrong somebody it only puts up more walls.

  • lurker111

    It’s a bogus question that doesn’t deserve an answer! Just because other people believe in something, so freaking what!?

  • NYCatheist

    I believe in the truth.

  • http://anexerciseinfutility.blogspot.com Tommykey

    Hemant, the way I usually hear the question is “What, you don’t believe in anything?” to which I reply, “No, I believe in lots of things, like human rights, equality of the sexes, that we have the ability to better ourselves etc.”

  • http://www.rationalitynow.com Dan Gilbert

    I’ve never been personally asked this question, but I think I would answer first with “What do you mean?” to get them to clarify. If no clarification is forthcoming, I’d answer with a question such as, “Do you believe in anything other than God? Why does belief in God preclude the belief in anything else?” (giving an example if necessary).

    Someday I’ll get a chance to put my answer to the test. ;-)

  • Jonathan Simmons

    I believe that’s a stupid question.

  • Tony

    If I were to answer seriously I would say that I believe in the power of the scientific method. Unfortunately this would be completely misunderstood as a belief that science has all the answers which of course would be something different.

  • http://darwinsdagger.blogspot.com Darwin’s Dagger

    Something like this (I’m still not sure who wrote it):

    An atheist’s creed

    I believe in time,
    matter, and energy,
    which make up the whole of the world.

    I believe in reason, evidence and the human mind,
    the only tools we have;
    they are the product of natural forces
    in a majestic but impersonal universe,
    grander and richer than we can imagine,
    a source of endless opportunities for discovery.

    I believe in the power of doubt;
    I do not seek out reassurances,
    but embrace the question,
    and strive to challenge my own beliefs.

    I accept human mortality.

    We have but one life,
    brief and full of struggle,
    leavened with love and community,
    learning and exploration,
    beauty and the creation of
    new life, new art, and new ideas.

    I rejoice in this life that I have,
    and in the grandeur of a world that preceded me,
    and an earth that will abide without me.

  • chancelikely

    I believe in reality.

  • Les

    The wonderful thing is that atheists DON’T, as a collective, believe in anything.
    The individual chooses what to believe.

    :P

    We don’t NEED a breathless answer, we need an honest one.
    And that’s it.

  • http://www.madmansparadise.blogspot.com Asylum Seeker

    I believe that this life is all that we are promised.
    I believe that supernatural answers are not answers.
    I believe that war, torture, child abuse, rape and murder are the closest things to evil that we can find in this world. Theft, lying, and adultery are simply unfair by comparison.
    And, I believe that rational skepticism is a virtue. Denial and ignorance are not. The goal of the thinking human being is to try to discern one from the other, with minimal existential crises in the process.

    Do I expect anyone else to agree with any of that? Not really (though I would think most atheists would agree with the first two). Herding cats, and all that.

  • http://chaoskeptic.blogspot.com/ Iason Ouabache

    It is my firm belief that it is a mistake to hold firm beliefs.

  • beckster

    I look them right in the eye and say, “I believe in you.”

  • http://www.myspace.com/youreundoingmybeltwronghun Tim D.

    That is kind of a silly question; like someone said before, it assumes that there’s some singular “God Substitute” that the atheist believes in in place of God.

    I’ve gotten into many irritable discussions to that end, trying to explain to people that, in some views, there simply isn’t a God. Nothing that substitutes for God, nothing that does what God is supposed to do. I don’t believe in God; that doesn’t mean I believe in something else in place of God that serves the exact same purpose. It means I don’t believe the world works the way that you — as a follower of this God — believe it does; and thus, I don’t think your explanation is necessary at all, in any form. That’s what it means.

    Take Frank Turek, for example; he and his supporters are constantly blogging about “what atheists worship instead of God,” etc. etc. People just don’t seem to understand exactly what it means to not believe in God, to the point that I tend to question whether it’s truly ignorance, or just malicious stupidity.

  • http://www.travisjmorgan.com Travis Morgan

    Atheism doesn’t define what a person DOES believe. Not all atheists are going to believe in the same things just because they happen to share a lack of belief in a god or gods. Conversely, atheists also often happen to be secularists, humanists, naturalists, materialists, etc… stances that do profess and/or offer something. These stances are separate from atheism. They are just stances that happen to portray what some people that may also happen to be atheists do believe in.

    Read More – http://www.travisjmorgan.com/blog/2009/03/19/atheism-and-hope/

  • Abner Cadaver II

    I believe in reason, liberty, justice, and humanity’s will to better itself.

    What do theists really mean when they say God gives their lives meaning? Is it the same feelings and thoughts with the supernatural facade?

  • http://thatvegangirl.com/http:// Alex

    I generally attempt to clarify the question. I might respond by reference to causing harm: Do you believe that suffering is a bad thing? Or perhaps I’ll reference killing: Is it ethically wrong to kill an innocent?

    People generally respond affirmatively to these clarifying questions. When they do so, I agree with them and follow-up.

    I don’t murder or rape, for example, regardless of the non-existence of a deity. Therefore, doesn’t this suggest that I am as moral or perhaps more moral than someone who refrains from causing unnecessary suffering for fear of divine retribution or desire for divine praise?

    From this line of reasoning I make it clear that I generally hold similar beliefs as they do save for the supernatural assumption.

  • Claudia

    The problem is that believing in the goodness of people, love, the beauty of the universe, etc, is not the same kind of belief as believing in god. It’s the same word, but it doesn’t mean the same thing (as so often happens in these kinds of conversations).

    There is no one thing to say, because a lot of us don’t have a replacement belief. I don’t have some hole in my mind where god-belief is “supposed to be”, that needs to be filled up with something else.

    That nails the issue for me. I guess a better question would be; How do you quickly and clearly make a theist understand that atheists don’t have a “God hole” they need to fill with something the way tofu burguers cover for beef burguers?

    The whole point of the confusion is that any answer given without making this clear will sound silly. I believe in the power of human inquiry, but I sure don’t believe in it like a theist believes in god.

    I don’t believe, I think.

    That’s a really good one when dealing with annoying fundies (who are thankfully entirely absent in my life). However I think that it doesn’t much help our reputation with people who could potentially have their preacher-instilled bigotry defused.

  • http://theangryphilistine.wordpress.com The Angry Philistine

    When asked that question by someone whose intent is “Well if you don’t believe in God what do you believe in” I usually just start singing Don Williams’ I believe in you.

    I don’t think the question requires a simple answer. God creates a simple answer for his “followers”. The stance I have chosen in life requires thought, evaluation and determination. What do I believe? I believe that I am still figuring that out completely and I believe that I am lucky to have that option. What I don’t believe in is “The simple answer”

  • http://www.noonespecial.ca/cacophony Tao Jones

    I think the answer to the question is to clarify the question.

    To me, statements of belief aren’t very useful as they don’t often are lacking in completeness and correctness. I strongly prefer value statements.

    For example. The statement, “Blue is the best colour in the world,” is an identity statement. However, since it is clearly cannot be objectively demonstrated to be true, it is actually a belief statement. How many religious people incorrectly apply beliefs about something to identity? “God created the earth,” etc. I’m sure many of us fall into the same trap.

    So the statement, “I believe that blue is the best colour in the world” is more precise. However the claim that is believed can still be debated. It is also somewhat trite. So what, I believe that red is the best colour in the world? So it can lead to needless conflict as the person is either right or wrong. And still, I have to wonder, what it is exactly this person is trying to say?

    On the other hand, a value statement would look something like this: “I like blue.” This statement is not debatable or confrontational. It is also what I am trying to say and no more than that.

    So I would answer with value statements:

    I value science over superstition.

    I trust logic over magic.

    I prefer fairness over tradition for tradition’s sake.

    “Our words today shape our thoughts which shape the words of tomorrow.” — Me.

  • GribbletheMunchkin

    This is quite easy for me since in addition to being and atheist i’m also a transhumanist.

    So when asked what i believe in I can say
    “I believe in the ability of humans to improve their condition. I believe this is not only possible but a moral obligation. I believe we can use science, reason and technology to improve our bodies, minds and society. I believe that we will one day change ourselves to the point when we can no longer call ourselves Homo Sapien and that this is a good thing. I believe that we are leaving behind the brutality of our past in favour of a better future but that regressive forces such as religion (to name but one) are impediments to this forward progress and should have their impact upon that progress reduced as much as is possible and ethical.”

  • Hopeful

    Wow, Gribble nailed it.

  • Steve

    To believe in something is to accept it despite any facts.
    I always describe something as either being possible/impossible or probable/improbable (together with a few superlatives e.g. ‘most’, ‘very’)
    By saying ‘I believe . . . ‘ you have automatically reduced yourself to the other person’s level of acceptance instead of judging matters from the available data.

  • Josha

    I hate this question. Humans form beliefs about the world around them. To believe is to have confidence in the truth, the existence, or the reliability of something (dictionary.com). I believe in a lot of things, I just don’t believe in anything supernatural.

    My friends respond, “How can you not believe in anything supernatural!” To which I say, “How can you?”

  • Mathew Wilder

    I believe I can fly…I believe I can touch the sky.

    Nah, I’m just fucking with you. I agree that “I don’t believe, I think” is the best answer yet.

  • Morgan55

    Of the several replies I’ve given to that question, the one that seems to be most readily understood is, “I probably believe in all the same things you do, except for the supernatural stuff.” I leave it to them, or any subsequent discussion on religious compartmentalism, as to how that’s possible.

  • http://aurorawalkingvacation.blogspot.com Paul

    My answer is simlar to the one Dan Gilbert gave above. I try to emphasize the similarities between myself and the questioner. I try to point out several things that we both share a common belief in. I then point out that we both believe many things, and some of our beliefs are the same, and some differ. Like everybody.

  • BernieK

    We’re being concrete in accepting the question as a philosophical one. Of course it’s better to know something on evidence than take a leap of faith to believe an untestable idea. Most people with religious beliefs know that (I almost said believe that.)

    When a religious person thinks about giving up an irrational belief in God, they are worried about a lot more than the philosophical question.

    Religions include communities, families, business relations, children and grandchildren, feelings of self-worth. To come out of the closet of agnosticism (which is very common within religionists in their heart of hearts) re-quires a big leap socially, not just philosophically.

    I think we remind them of their agnosticism or out-right atheism, which they can’t imagine giving up.

    Look at what Jim Haggard had to do to stay a Christian. He had to renounce homosexuality, talk the Christian Sexual Conversion stuff, that he’s really heterosexual with a problem sexualizing his poor relationships and ideas about men. Why? Because he misses the Christian community, and family, and business associates, etc. Because of the shame of rejecting his religion, and the loneliness.

    It’s not a philosophical issue, it’s psychological and sociological. We shouldn’t be so concrete in accepting the question.

  • Inono

    Short answer, “I believe there is no god.”

    Long answer, written by Penn Jillette:

    I believe that there is no God. I’m beyond Atheism. Atheism is not believing in God. Not believing in God is easy — you can’t prove a negative, so there’s no work to do. You can’t prove that there isn’t an elephant inside the trunk of my car. You sure? How about now? Maybe he was just hiding before. Check again. Did I mention that my personal heartfelt definition of the word “elephant” includes mystery, order, goodness, love and a spare tire?

    So, anyone with a love for truth outside of herself has to start with no belief in God and then look for evidence of God. She needs to search for some objective evidence of a supernatural power. All the people I write e-mails to often are still stuck at this searching stage. The Atheism part is easy.

    But, this “This I Believe” thing seems to demand something more personal, some leap of faith that helps one see life’s big picture, some rules to live by. So, I’m saying, “This I believe: I believe there is no God.”

    Having taken that step, it informs every moment of my life. I’m not greedy. I have love, blue skies, rainbows and Hallmark cards, and that has to be enough. It has to be enough, but it’s everything in the world and everything in the world is plenty for me. It seems just rude to beg the invisible for more. Just the love of my family that raised me and the family I’m raising now is enough that I don’t need heaven. I won the huge genetic lottery and I get joy every day.

    Believing there’s no God means I can’t really be forgiven except by kindness and faulty memories. That’s good; it makes me want to be more thoughtful. I have to try to treat people right the first time around.

    Believing there’s no God stops me from being solipsistic. I can read ideas from all different people from all different cultures. Without God, we can agree on reality, and I can keep learning where I’m wrong. We can all keep adjusting, so we can really communicate. I don’t travel in circles where people say, “I have faith, I believe this in my heart and nothing you can say or do can shake my faith.” That’s just a long-winded religious way to say, “shut up,” or another two words that the FCC likes less. But all obscenity is less insulting than, “How I was brought up and my imaginary friend means more to me than anything you can ever say or do.” So, believing there is no God lets me be proven wrong and that’s always fun. It means I’m learning something.

    Believing there is no God means the suffering I’ve seen in my family, and indeed all the suffering in the world, isn’t caused by an omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent force that isn’t bothered to help or is just testing us, but rather something we all may be able to help others with in the future. No God means the possibility of less suffering in the future.

    Believing there is no God gives me more room for belief in family, people, love, truth, beauty, sex, Jell-o and all the other things I can prove and that make this life the best life I will ever have.

    • Gray

      How do u not need heaven? What about your kids? Are u saying u dont want them to live in joy after they die. I don’t mean to be disrespectful but that is just selfish.

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  • Richard Wade

    The confusion starts from not clarifying the two very different meanings of “believe in.” One is to assume the truth or reality of something in the absence of evidence. The other is to hold something in esteem, to value or support it. I do as little of the first as I possibly can, and plenty of the second.

    If I’m asked by a theist, “Do you believe in anything?” they are almost always keeping the two definitions undistinguished. If I try to answer without clarifying the difference, the confusion will continue. Such clarity takes time and effort on my part, and patience on the questioner’s part, so the first thing I ask is “Do you have about 5 or 10 minutes for a clear answer?” If they don’t, I say that it wouldn’t help to give a quick, sound-byte answer.

    So my clear response has to include an explanation of what skepticism is, and then a list of the values I hold. When I get to that part, the questioner and I most often have plenty in common. We mainly differ in what we need to be convinced of a claim.

  • http://www.blogd.com/wp/ BlogD

    To me, that question reveals a basic inability to imagine something outside the Christian’s own belief system. I used to work with a fundamentalist who found out I was agnostic and accused me of “backsliding.” They are just applying their own world upon us and expecting us to have the same basic needs, because they can’t imagine anything else–like Christians who are unable to imagine anything other than Christianity as a basis for morality, so non-believers must not be moral.

    The question “but what do you believe in??” I think is not asking about your belief in rainbows or puppy dogs; instead it is the person saying they don’t understand the ability to not rely on faith, so they restate the same question, expecting some answer that is similar to a belief in god. You can’t possibly not believe in god, so you must believe in something. In this case, “believe” means religious faith. It’s like the guy in Spinal Tap showing the dial that goes to eleven. When the interviewer asks why not just label the louder point as “ten,” he can’t understand, and insists, “but this goes to eleven!” because he can’t see it any other way.

    I think the correct answer is, “in the sense of believing in a higher conscious power such as god, I don’t believe in anything.” I would ask that person why they think it’s necessary to believe in something, and get around to the wisdom of accepting that there is knowledge we are not privileged to, and that’s okay.

  • stephanie

    I believe in one less thing than a theist.

    • Kingfisher10101

      That is a really good answer, but not correct. There are two other places you dont belive in that a theist does, heaven and hell. So i guess there is at least three things if not more.

  • http://twitter.com/untheist Eddie

    I believe in people.

    When pressed to explain, i go into the typical humanist refrain.

    Speaking of which, I wish this “Atheist Movement” were more of a Humanist Movement. It would be more effective in showing how secularism is better, remove the myth that we have no morals, and in general me more productive to society. Instead we seem to focus on trying to reason with generally unreasonable people, fighting over complex ideas that the typical person doesn’t understand or care about. Idk, just a thought, total digression…

  • http://www.hammatime.net Hamma

    I usually fire back with “Why do I need to believe in something” if that doesn’t work my response is the same as many here. I believe in myself, my friends, family, science and the human drive to know more.

    • Kingfisher10101

      Im a christian and i believe in all of that as well.

  • Jay

    I believe in reality
    I believe in the natural world
    I believe I’ll have another beer

  • Siamang

    The question “but what do you believe in??” I think is not asking about your belief in rainbows or puppy dogs; instead it is the person saying they don’t understand the ability to not rely on faith, so they restate the same question, expecting some answer that is similar to a belief in god.

    I think it’s even less of a question than that. I don’t think it’s even a question, as much as a bunch of words they parrot, reflexively.

    I recognize the response well. I’m a confirmed meat-atarian, married to a vegetarian, and the “lash out first, formulate a sentence that makes sense second” was my normal MO when dealing with vegetarians before I kind of grew up in that area.

    It’s an “oh yeah, well what’s your answer to this one mr. smarty-pants!!!” kind of thrust. Best to slowly, calmly work the question into a different mode.

    I honestly think the best response is along the lines of Richard’s. The best thing to do is to get them to go over the question slowly, to try and get them to think about what they’re really asking.

  • GullWatcher

    When I’m being polite, it’s “I believe in lots of things, but I don’t worship anything”.

    I think I’m gonna be borrowing the ‘reality’ or “I think instead” answers for when I’m not feeling so polite.

  • Veritas

    I believe in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms; in the Constitution of the United States; in the central concept that at our hearts, all men and women are equal and most are good.

  • http://nealjansons.com Neal “thePuck” Jansons

    I believe in nature, sort of a philosophical paganism that acknowledges reality and humanities place in the huge systems of interconnected matter and energy.

    Ethically, I believe in Superman. No, seriously. In any given circumstances, if you know sufficiently enough about Superman (modern…please ignore the ethical status of the covers of “Superman’s Pal Jimmy Olsen” and so on) then all you have to do is ask yourself, “Assuming full information and barring kryptonite and magick, what would Superman do?” Hasn’t failed me yet, and far more realistic than Kant or Aristotle. If you are on the opposite side from Superman in an ethical issue, then you are most likely in the wrong.

  • http://mrbadaxe.blogspot.com MrBadAxe

    I seem to recall an article cited on Daylight Atheism, featuring a 91-year old atheist woman. When they asked her what she believed, she said, “I believe in people and ideas.”

  • http://www.otmatheist.com hoverFrog

    I believe in a good number of things.

    I believe that the world would be a better place if everyone had reliable and up to date anti virus and anti spam software.

    I believe that politicians work for us and should therefore do what is best for us. Not necessarily what we want but we should be able to trust them to do what is best. I don’t but I think I should.

    I believe that war is a last resort and never the best option.

    I believe in the power of goodness, niceness and happy thoughts.

    I believe in science as a way of knowing.

    I believe in an awful lot of things. It’s a shame that some people only believe in one thing.

    • Eatmyballs

      If you are talking about monotheistic god believers or preachers you are wrong we beleive in many things as well as you do I can’t think of one major religion that believes in only one thing if there was a religion like that it would not stand.

  • Siamang

    Here’s a good answer:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB_htqDCP-s

    Storm by Tim Minchin

  • http://jewmanist.com Rose

    I love Claudia’s response, it similar to what I would say.

    I feel that I do have a purpose: evolution.
    I am a part of something bigger: the universe.
    I believe in the wonders the universe holds. The beauty it possesses. Sure, these aren’t things I “believe in”, per se (I don’t have “faith”), but its all semantics. Nature and, on a bigger scale, the universe are amazingly beautiful things that inspire me and bring joy into my life on a continual basis.

    • :)

      but actually, we all have fait :) When we sit on a chair we have faith that it’s gonna hold us :) n things like that, but we all have faith :)
      And…that’s so cool…but um…since u said evolution…do ya mind explaining how that works? ;D Can ya do an explotion and have something wonderful come out of it?!

      • Yourmom

        You really are the dumbest person on the whole Internet. Wow.

      • Cocksuckers

        Who is saying anyone can make an explosion?  You make me rage!! You ARE the dumbest person on the whole Internet. 

  • Shauna

    Things just are. The world doesn’t require my belief to exist.

  • http://wesleyschair.com David Hines

    A good question and it’s got a lot of good responses. I run an atheist-friendly Christian website,and one of my aims is to promote the view that atheists are human beings and believe in lots of the same things that open-minded Christians believe in. Your answers prove it.
    I like Seneca’s comment: “I am a human and nothing human is alien to me.” He was a pantheist, I think, but the same sentiment could be found among numerous belief systems.
    My site is http://www.wesleyschair.com.

  • Polly

    I believe in myself. And after years of being told that I’m a worthless sinner, boy does that feel great.

    I believe in my capacity to think problems through and determine, if not the final truth, as reasonable an approximation as anyone else. And, I know I can get a hell of a lot closer to the truth than a book of stories.

    I believe that I’m WAY better and smarter and well-informed than Jehovah, Allah, and Jesus all put together. Jesus was an asshole. It needs to be said. He was a racist who called Samaritans ignorant and Phonoecians “dogs.” He virtually introduced the concept of Hell into the global consciousness.

    • Kingfisher10101

      A fool says in his heart “there is no God”

    • Rchagoya

      WOW something really bad must of happened in your life to make you so hateful! Even if you do not believe in Jesus you have no right to put Christianity down,I’m sure that you don’t like it when someone puts you down for your beliefs,so why in the world would you put others down?! I really hope that you find peace and quit being an black hearted bitch :) take care!

  • Mathew Wilder

    Batman is a way better (and cooler!) moral exemplar than Superman!

  • http://religiouscomics.net Jeff

    I believe that there is no final answer, but with a little cleverness, we can make a better world for us all.

  • http://religiouscomics.net Jeff

    Siamang Says:

    Here’s a good answer:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB_htqDCP-s
    Storm by Tim Minchin

    Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I posted it on my blog as well!!!

  • http://ecstathy.blogspot.com efrique

    For once I find myself in the position of being able to say what answer I did give, rather than guess what answer I might give if I were in this situation – since I responded to precisely this question only a few hours ago.

    My response, after some thought, was to point out that the question assumed some kind of god-substitute, and that I couldn’t answer such a loaded question in those terms, but I offered to attempt to answer a less loaded question.

  • AxeGrrl

    I believe that if human beings dedicated more energy to truly caring for one another, and ensuring a more ‘level playing field’ for all, then the need for the belief in some supernatural ‘God’ would (eventually) disappear.

    I say this because I think that a lot of ‘God belief’ arises from the apparently inherent unfairness of the natural world….

    If we successfully created a world that was more fair in terms of the most basic needs (like food, shelter and education), I think we’d see a significant drop in religious allegiance.

    And despite the very real fact that such a goal is unlikely given our ‘current global situation’ I DO believe that human beings have the capacity to (ultimately) achieve this.

    • :)

      Cool…so what’s our purpose in life? :D 

  • Autumnal Harvest

    I believe in Crystal Light. Because I believe in me.

  • Andrew Price

    Do no harm

  • Karma Jingpa

    I am vegetarian and I get asked all the time: “If you don’t eat meat, what DO you eat?”

    To me, this is the same stupid question from people who can’t imagine living life differently than they do.

    • Nene Anne

      I relate 100%. Similarly, it when people ask me “if you were starving would you eat a cow?” and I say they say “then you aren’t a vegetarian”. It’s like asking a Christian “If you couldn’t take care of your baby would you do abortion?” If they say yes they will say “then you aren’t Christian!”. Sigh.

  • Silverback

    I do not believe. I reason.

    • :)

      of course u believe! everyone believes!! :) and u have tons of faith if ur an atheist! :) I mean, it takes a lot of faith to believe we don’t have a creator right? Well, everything has a creator…even POOP! ;D

  • marcus

    I believe in psychology. It’s the only thing that will help humanity and the problems that confront us. We put almost no funding towards psychology. If we don’t understand ourselves, our injuries, our emotions, our defenses, our subconscious, our core belief systems, our childhood…we will never make healthy decisions. Politics, chemistry, science, astrology, astronomy, sociology, are all not psychology and will not enable us to understand where we are headed and why. Especially in America the topic of psychology almost seems taboo, mostly out of pure ignorance. The advertising and war industries are the only ones interested in psychology, and that, only as a manipulating tool, not for healthy and balanced reasons. People too often rely on spirituality instead of psychology, just think of 12 step based groups to deal with addiction and other diseases. The pharmaceutical industries are merely look at the person from a purely chemical point of view. Besides the medical industry can only cure 10% of illnesses. Most every article or book I read on any topic is usually lacking psychological insight, which is the main thing of importance when it comes to the human condition. Psychology is what I believe in and what needs much more support, financing and reverence. Read any book by Alice Miller to get an insight going! Or read my manifesto and see my paintings at livejournal.com under boycott2008.

    • Noneof Yourbeeswaxe

      i belive in god the i am , he is real u all will figure that out someday … yes medical indstry can only cure !10 % of illness but my god the god that gave his only son to die on the cross for all of our sins and cure 100% of illness !  before its too late belive ! my GOD IS THE GREATEST GOD EVER !!!! 

      • Randyreviewer

        Just came on this post– loved the line above “My god is the greatest god ever!!!” (couldn’t make myself use the all-caps shouting again.) So, they seem to feel there have been a lot of other gods as well, and there was some sort of game show or something and “their” god came out on top? Love it.

        • Lucas Bluecat

           It reminds me of teen girls screaming “THE B-BOP BOZ ARE THE GREATEST BAND EVER!!”

          yeah.

          • chosen

            how does that have anything to do with the main question?real faith in jesus christ teachs we are to love on anuther.i realy feel bad for atheists.i wonder what did god do to make you so threatend by thoughs who believe in him as the one true god.im so sorry,and your right,it is a choice we all have to make.for our selvs.but it is the most important choice you will ever make.chose wisely and think befor you speak.

        • :)

          haha!! nah, i think he’s just excited about all the awesome things God has done in his life that that’s why he said it like that!! :D 

  • Hank Bones

    Atheist: I don’t believe in god.
    Christian: You don’t believe in God? Then what do you believe in?
    A: Well, do you believe in Santa?
    C: No.
    A: You don’t believe in Santa? Then what do you believe in?
    C: That’s not the same thing.
    A: You’re right, no one kills in the name of Santa.
    /applause, bow to crowd

  • Kevin

    “Don’t waste my time with such an outmoded question.”

  • Richard Wade’s Evil Twin

    I’d like to try this:

    Theist: “So, you don’t believe in God?”
    Me: “No, I don’t.”
    Theist: “Then what do you believe in?”
    Me: “I believe that somewhere in the darkest niiight, a candle glowwwwwws.
    I believe for every drop of rain that falllls, a flower growwwwwwwwws.
    EVERY TIME I HEAR A NEWBORN BABY CRYYYYY, OR TOUCH A LEEEEEEAF OR SEEE THE SKYYYYYYYYYYY
    THEN THAT IS WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY IIIIIIIIIIIIIIII BEEELIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVE!!

  • AxeGrrl

    Autumnal Harvest said:

    I believe in Crystal Light. Because I believe in me.

    *teehee*

  • http://iava.org David Chasteen

    Being a soldier gives me a bit of a cheat:

    Duty.
    Honor.
    Country.

  • ashton clark

    I believe in the world
    I believe that you should live your life the way you want to live your life, and not by the rules of somebody else

    • Laurie Rangel

      But, If god isn’t really there, Just like kids, why would  you want to believe that. don’t you dwell, about  it?  Imagine you were dying,  or you have a  uncurable disease, wouldn’t it be more simpler to believe you were going to a better place. If your kid was dying, what would you say? I’m not trying to judge, I’m just trying to understand. My husband is an atheist, we have 3 kids, and I don’t push my beliefs on him and he doesn’t on me. What I know, makes me dwell. Basically I would have been better off not knowing, even if it’s not true. 

    • :)

      omigoodness!! Imagine if every driver thought that way?? :O lol “I believe in cars, I believe that u shld drive ur car the way u want to drive ur car, and not by the rules of stop signs n stop lights” Actually, rules were put there for our own good…we have stop signs n stop lights to protect us, so that it’s fair for everyone, n so that no one gets hurt. I hate having to stop when im running late, but how many accidents have taken ppls lives just bc someone ran a stop light?? or was driving under the influence?? :’( It’s not always easy or pleasent to follow rules, but they’re for our own good. Of course, some of them…haha :P but u get my point?? :O hehe

    • Grizzlyjoeblotsoffur

      So if you want to lie then lie if you want to steal then steal if you want to kill then kill
      dose that sound right …NO
      Wy because somthing in are heads tells us its not
      look at nature and think about it
      its all about survival
      Do you think a dog or a pack of dogs feals sorry for a weaker dog going hungry. NO is he going to take up a collection for it No
      But we as humans show love compaction a higher form of intelligence that no outher living thing on this earth has man was put here by GOD.

      • Edd

         Anyone can do whatever they want to do to, each their own consequence. We didn’t need god to tell us something that requires common sense. Don’t you think that we are also like a pack of dogs? Sociable, but turns a blind eye on the needy. By the way, why would you think dogs would take a collection? They don’t have the capability for it. Why would you judge someone or an animal on their incapability, how does that make you better? Why do you hold yourself with such high regard? We, the humans with such a high form of intelligence, were put here by god? For what? to pollute, cause war, famine, and destroy the Earth? Or is it just you that is perfect? We are just like that pack of dogs you described, would you give a damn about a weak dog that was not in your pack? A starving African child on another continent? A laboring Chinese child? Victims of natural disasters? A weak homeless dog? Do you take a collection up for them? No, because you can’t and you don’t want to, and even if you did it would leave you as poor a rat.  Even if you were perfect and rich, it wouldn’t make a change, because not everyone has the same values as you. But god put us here right? So it’s o.k. Belief in god relieves us of personal responsibility. It’s all about survival for us too.

        • Jaredakemp

          When Adam and Eve were first put on the earth. Earth was perfect  and everything was. But they sinned against God and this is how the earth came about how reckless it is today. But God loved us enough to come back and save us. And die for our sins . So that whoever sall believe in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. In the book of Revelation it talks about everything that is happening now. And now our purpose on earth is to spread his word and tell about him to the nations. And yes us Christians do care about these starving people. We also care about the lost and we have a heart for them. I hope you realize that Jesus is real one day and he loved you enough to die for you. God bless you.

          2 Corinthians 13;14

          The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen.

    • Crowfeather197

       I almost completley agree with you, Clarke. 
       But I do not agree with the fact that athiests do not believe in god. 
       But that is my opinion, and that is what I choose to believe, just like you choose to believe in the world, and no god. 
           But there is one thing that you could also ponder: 
       What happens to you after you die? 
           May be I do not know the facts, and I’m pretty sure that no one here knows the real truth. Because I dont think that any of you have died before. That is some thing for us all to figure out one day, we might. 
                       There is some thing that disturbs me here, though. 
       How the athiests use better vocabulary than the christians. -_- 
           Oh, come on, christians! If you wanna fight for your team, you might as well sound smart about it!!!!! 
       Not that you arent smart, of course. 
       Now, please, athiests, dont act like the christians are stupid, even if they are, or seem to be. 
       And making your self sound smarter, doesnt prove your point at all. 
       Did the world really come from nothing, and who created those rocks, and that dust? 
       Of course, you dont have to do this if you dont want to, but try praying some time, and see if it works and helps your problems, if you have any currently, or ever, or in the past. ( I wonder how that would work…..? ) 
       And, well, until then, I hope that you guys see the light. I know that sounds very stereotypical of us christians, but really. 
       And what if you arent a christian or an athiest? ( i’m not saying that im not either one, but well then, any ways. ) 
       Let’s just all live and exist and breathe, in peace, if you can, until we leave this Earth.  

  • SeeingisBelieving

    It’s not “what I believe,” it’s what I know. I know that a man named Jesus Christ walked the earth, I know that many people saw him and witnessed his teaching and manipulations of matter (miracles), I know that he spoke about love and righteousness and explained who God is. I know that He is the word in the flesh (God). I know the Catholic church’s BS drove many people away from this.

    • Ari

      Then you don’t know the meaning of the word “know”. You’re confusing belief and knowledge. You don’t know Jesus was real because there’s no physical evidence for him: IF he lived, he left nothing behind.
      Your only “evidence” of him comes from a book written by anonymous Bronze Age authors, heavily edited over centuries into several different versions, with some events having been written about decades after they happened, in an age with no Twitter or digital cameras. I’ll admit that Jesus isn’t just in the Bible, though! He’s also in the Quran: have you read that yet, to find out more about your dear lord?

      Interesting name you have there: SeeingisBelieving. How can you believe in god or Jesus if you’ve never seen them? Your lord Jesus is about as real as Lord Voldemort.

      • yello

        How can you believe in air or wind if you’ve never seen it? You can’t see it but can feel it and know it’s there.

        • Edd

           But you know how it’s generated, how do you know god is around you? You can feel it. Why? because……

          • Crcaudle

            Ellen,  Please tell me exactly how air & wind are generated?  If man evolved from an ape then why are there still apes?  Where did the ape come from?  Where is evolution’s missing link that would prove that evolution actually exists?

            • Nene Anne

              Humans didn’t evolve from apes. This is a common misconception of the theory of evolution. According to this theory, humans and present day primates came from a common ancestor, that was neither a human nor a monkey. Somewhere along the line of time, some of these ancient ancestors split and evolved differently, and those branches split and those branches split and so on, which is why we have different species of primates. Think of it as a big family. The ancient ancestor is your grandma, and monkeys are your cousin. Your graandma had two kids, your mom and your aunt, and your mom had you and your aunt your cousin. Your grandma, your mom, your aunt, you, and your cousin are all different speiceis, but you all came from that one grandma or ancient ancestor. Similarly, the farther down the generations of apes or your family goes, the less and less they look like the original ancestor or another species. (If you want to know how living things change over time it’s because of random mutation and heredity)

              Air isn’t generated, it is just multiple elements (oxygen, nitrogen, carbon dioxide, etc.) that are in the gas phase around us. Wind has to do with the circulation of hot and cold air.

              Personally, I believe there is a scientific explanation for everything, but I think people should be able to believe whatever they want without people bugging them about it.

      • Jaredakemp

        First off the only evidence isnt’t from “anonymous” authors. we clearly lnow who wrote all the books of the Bible and the four Gospels Matthew,Mark,Luke, and John are eye witness accounts on the life of Christ. Also they were not written “decades” after they happened. It was only A few decades. Christ is said to die at about 33 A.D. the last books of the Bible were completed in 98 A.D in which the apostole John wrote. We are not sure on one book of the Bible and thats the book Hebrews but Paul is  to thought have wrote it. If seeing is believing then how can we believe in the mayans? no one from this generation has seen them. Yes they left things behind but you never saw them? so what they arent real either? So before you go and say that “anonymous” authors wrote the books i think you need to have some more knowledge on the Bible cause it seems you dont have very much. And also, No one would just make this story up? who would take there time to write that if it wasnt true? who could come up with everything in the Bible? The Four Gospels were eye witness accounts. But for all you atheist out there I hope you realize how much Jesus loves you one day.                                                                  

        Romans 5:8
        But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

      • guest

        How can you know that there isn’t a God? You don’t and so you believe that there is no God. Show me the evidence that there is no God.

      • http://www.facebook.com/mason.mattocks.3 Mason Mattocks

        We cant see or feel your brain therfore it doesnt exist

      • RichInGodsLove

        Why do you all complain?? To Believe God you take it by Faith as it does
        if you don’t believe, if there isn’t a God there is nothing to look
        forward to after we die, and we might have been put here by some kind of
        alien and laughing at us all, Or there is a God that Loves us and had
        his only Son die on the cross for our sins, Truth is none of us will
        know til we are dead and it will be too late to tell anyone the truth.
        In saying that not sure why we cant get along and let people believe
        what they want to. You like can act kids or a adult.

      • Ari

        People who say that they know God is real like my self. Don’t simply say it out of belief but out of experience. If you have never tried a mango it doesn’t matter how much I describe the taste to you, you will never know what a mango tastes like unless you try it for yourself. The only way to find out if God is real or not is to taste him. Try him. Because say we’re right and you don’t try him you will go to hell. But if your right even if we continue to believe in God there’s no consequence for our wrong because you don’t believe in hell. So you better be sure because if not you will be sorry.

        • dragonfly4

          wow, this is the best comment I’ve read on this page so far!

        • ChristianTeen

          Best comment ever

          • 3lemenope

            You need to get out there and read more comments.

  • CalliopeTheMuse

    I believe in Humanity and their ability to eventually overcome primitive superstitious beliefs in gods. They did it before, with the Greek and Roman gods. They can do it again. Just give them time.

    • :)

      Cool…so what’s our purpose in life? :)

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  • Taydra.

    I believe things happen randomly. Nothing revolves around this “thing” people call god…

    • :)

      cool, so what’s our purpose in life? :)

  • Rachael

    I have come from a catholic / religious background. When i was looking for what my new beliefs related too ( i no longer believe in a God), i must admit when i came to this site i thought , im not an atheist, i believe in something, just not a god’ . But after reading all these posts about believing in humanity, truth, the mind, and the universe, it actually brought me to tears that i actually found people with the similiar views of life and death to what i have come to now live by.

    I dont believe, i think!

    Thank you all !

    • :)

      Cool…so what’s our purpose in life? :)

      • Azel

        Whatever purpose we find for ourselves. That there is no God, and thus no externally imposed to us purpose, doesn’t mean that we can’t create one for ourselves.

    • Jrsaxonred

      I feel many aethist like you started in a similar place you did…in church. Religion is bad but Jesus Christ saves. Many people have had bad experiences under leaders preaching false gospel. They focus on legalism, fear, growth, and prosperity. I totally understand why people don’t believe sometimes. Reason and logic is man made. Anything created by man will fail and let us down in due time. Focus on the Gospel. It is a true story that has been challenged many times for credibility and it always prevails. The main problem is that bored men think they are smarter that God.

  • http://infidel-man.blogspot.com/ Adithya

    My Answer:
    ‘I believe in evidence’.

    • Paulyd2011

      um the whole world is evidence ,you are evidence . boy not that smart  are you .

  • choobie

    I believe in a properly performed scientific method.

  • matty

    family, friends, and the power of science, also i beleave in the power of science very strongly i beleave in evaluation

    • :)

      cool, so can u show me how an explotion creates awesomeness? cause all i’ve ever seen it do is create a mess. and like i said before, we have to have a creator…even POOP does!

    • :)

      Oh, n i almost forgot…um…u do know that EVOLUTION IS JUST A THEORY RIGHT? :) oh, n did u know that science still can’t explain human emotion??? i mean if u believe in the power of science…n technically science cant explain human feelings…than do u not believe in emotions either?? :O 

  • steve

    As a theist, I see the question in terms of world view/belief system. Not believing in something is ok, but it says nothing about what you do believe in. Obviously there is a great deal of diversity (as there is within theism) but are there some general tenets that are common to a reasonable percentage of atheists? There are a number of areas to discuss – origins of life, meaning of life, etc. One that probably gets more discussion is ethics and morals…are there absolute standards similar to the fundamental laws of physics or are they derived from consensus?
    I enjoyed reading many of the responses to this thread…

    Steve

  • Cesc

    I am not a beliver in god but that does mean i have no stand in life….i belive with the strength and power of our mind as we thats what will help us determine our life rather than putting everything of fate or god…we make our choices in life and we have to stand up to it…god does not do anyhting to us

  • becky

    We had an atheist at church wednesday night. we were studying the book of Daniel. It was good to have him there. He said some good things. I hope he comes back. No one tried to convert him nor did he try to convert us…we just all listened to each other.

  • http://www.correntewire.com chicago dyke

    way to Step Up, atheists! very nice thread; i’ll be stealing a lot of the good ones. titter, it would be fun to go make trouble at a religious event with some of you, i can see that. ;-)

    if i like them and just don’t want to embarrass them, i say, “well, i studied comparative semitic philology and the anthropology and languages of pre-monotheistic religions in Divinity school for ten years, so it’s sort of complicated.” people’s eyes glaze over and they change the topic, quick.

    if i don’t like them, i say, “i believe you’re an inferior for asking the question, but really, do you want to know?” again, i rarely get an affirmative reply.

    • Rchagoya

      I don’t think people are necessarily asking you to be rude or to be judgmental(if they are that’s a whole other story). but i think its simply human nature to feel like you should believe in something. not that all people do but but for most people its natural. please don’t believe that you are above people for there beliefs just as you wouldn’t want them to look down on you for your beliefs(or lack of).i think that you should be more open with the discussion of mind and the things you believe to be true or not. i thought this was a “friendly atheist” website?!

    • Youranidiot

      The funny thing is….you’re the inferior one and you don’t even know it!! I think the absence of the tube steak is making your brain soft!!

      • Paulyd2011

        taht was the most ignorant thing i have ever read .grow up!!

    • At Peace

      You assume here that all believers are unintelligent.  I understand every word of your attempt to make yourself sound superior, and I’m not impressed.  I have met different “types” of people who call themselves atheists.  Some seem to be at peace, which is hard for me to understand, because my peace comes from knowing God.  However, that is not for me to judge.  Then, I see people who are angry, clearly not at peace with their anti-religious philosophy.  This makes more sense to me, but it makes me sad. 

      If you have confidence in your belief system, you would have no need to make those different from you feel inferior.  I understand that people of all faiths behave this way, and it wrong on all accounts.  I can appreciate that atheists are tired of certain stereotypes, so are Christians.  It is automatically assumed, that because of my faith, I am lacking in intellectual ability.  It just isn’t true, and I hope that more people would understand this. 

      That being said, as a Christian, I am not here to “fit in” with the world.  My heart is with all of those who are suffering, and I hope that you all find peace.  I just think that greeting misunderstanding with hostility is no way to treat anyone.  It will only tear down communication, and widen the gulf between people of different beliefs.

      • Jfdominguez91

        Wow, very well said..

    • Paulyd2011

      godless hethens is all you are

  • fiddler

    Rofl, chicago dyke! I do the same quite often, though worded slightly differently.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Thales-Borges/100002021365845 Thales Borges

    I believe in life, moral rules, happiness…
    Not in religion or any kind of creature who “rules” everything.

    • Kingfisher10101

      Who sets the moral rules?

      • Lucas Bluecat

         You and I do.  Our society does.  We always have and will. 

        • :)

          Actually, our Nation was founded in Christian beliefs :) 

          • http://twitter.com/Gekthegecko Matt A.

            Actually, no it wasn’t. Direct quote here: “As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion…”

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli#Article_11 

          • me

            Haha no it was not. It was founded on the ideal that all people should have religious and political freedom. Also, a lot of our founding fathers were deists soooo… ^-^
            [Learned all this in a basic American History class.]

            • Nene Anne

              I have to agree with :). Although there is freedom of religion, notice how we celebrate Christmas and Easter and have Sundays off. You can believe whatever you want but I would say it is based off of Christianity. Plus, I’m pretty sure Christianity is the largest practice religion in America, and that atheism is very small (even though that’s what they teach in public schools which is kinda weird but whatever).

              • Nene Anne

                [Learned all this in a basic American History class]

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pop-Goes-Duane/605201376 Pop Goes Duane

            so stealing land from the natives and  enslaving africans are christian beliefs?….hmm….

  • Faiq

    If we want to be objective, let us put away whatever prior knowledge and prejudice first. Then, let us try to read Holy Quran with our open mind. I am sure we will find a new horison of a new way of viewing our wolrd. Just try to read, Dear friends….

  • Kingfisher10101

    “I do not believe in atheist’s, therefore atheist’s do not exist”

    God

    • Lzebra

      I believe in the correct usage of apostrophes being used; for contractions and to show possession ;)

  • Anonymous

    I believe… 
    the earth revolves around the sun
    the earth is about 4.5 billion years old
    our universe is about 13 billion years old
    in seperation of church and state
    in the other ten ammendments to the constitution
    that science education is important and practical 
    that religion does more harm than good
    mysticism has had it’s day and should be abandoned

    • :)

      actually, did u know that basically…all the wise sayings come from the bible? they’ve just been phrased diff? :) and all the good advice ppl give, it was first written in the bible? :D And all those things that God said not to do bc they are sins…actually end up hurting us if we do do them? Crazy huh? It’s like, He’s trying to protect us, not boss us around :) 

      • http://www.facebook.com/llbraun Laurie Lasseter Braun

        Well said.

        • Lucas Bluecat

           Is he protecting you when you are sent to hell because you are an atheist?

          • GRH

            No. It is your choice to choose to believe God or to choose not to believe him because He loves us so much he gave us the choice

            • Lucas Bluecat

              He loves us so much he is sending MOST of us to hell. Even if you are a child and grew up in a non christian country. TO HELL!!!

              See how ridiculous that sounds.

              You do have a choice. To choose to believe in something based on BS or believe in things based on evidence.

              • SC

                I totally agree with you. How can Christians say God loves all his creations and he created us all but if you do not believe that his son Jesus is the only way to salvation than you are going to a place called Hell for punishment. When there are so many people in the World that has never even heard of God and “all” the wonderful things he can do. There are so many contradictory statements in the religion that I am surprised that they even know what they believe in.

      • Me

        You are an idiot.

        • Crowfeather197

           You are all idiots. 

        • Linda

          No, you are the idiot! I pray to God for people like you. You need to give yourself an chanch and read the Bible. There are things that we are not ment to know untill our bodies die. God will help you if you ask him too. Don’t be afraid. We all walk by faith and not by sight. Come on grow up!

          • Edd

            This is why I don’t understand “people like you”. You contradict sooo much you don’t make sense. First you say, “There are things we are not meant to know…” then you say “God will help you if you ask him too”. So what’s wrong with being curious? And why aren’t we meant to know things? I didn’t know there was a rule against this. And why would god wanna help answer something he didn’t want us to know until we kick the bucket? So how would he be of any help? And why do you say “Don’t be afraid”? People only say that if there’s a reason to be afraid, so what should we be afraid of? Losing our minds? And I also heard that crazy people don’t like admitting they’re crazy….

      • Edd

         Did we really need god to tell us something that just requires common sense?

        • Marley Friends

          Then where does common sense come from?

          • Edd

            Common sense: Good sense and sound judgment in practical matters. If common sense tells me god doesn’t exist, then I will heavily lay my assumptions that god didn’t create common sense. At least, that he doesn’t control what I think. It is very similar to individual intelligence and inquiry.

            • Hisprincess 000

              So, if common sense tells me that God DOES exist, then I should heavily lay my assumptions that God DID create common sense?

              ~A loving Christian.

              • Lucas Bluecat

                 Sorry your common sense is NOT GOOD.  Nor is it considered sound judgment.  And lets not forget practical.  
                :-)

                • Lucas Micheal

                   I wouldn’t say that their common sense is not good. Common sense is separate from religion in that it is not based upon sensory functions, therefor common sense doesn’t apply. It comes down to what feels right for the individual and the problem arises when someone feels a need to force their religion or lack of upon another.

                • Lucas Bluecat

                   You are correct!  And a Lucas.  Double Awesome!

                • Edd

                  OK, forget all the stuff about common sense. That was looong ago. But, when people question others about their religion or lack of is only natural I would say. Especially when the subject has been debated lots of times so that must mean that questioning like any concept isn’t gonna stop until it’s understood or resolved. And when an individual with whichever perspective tries to force their views down on another, doesn’t it mean that they are frustrated with the concept? And so it goes on until its been beaten down enough times until it’s understood by both sides? But isn’t it still pretty new in its debate to reach any conclusion soon? Especially with politics and all?

          • Linda

            You brain comes from God along with your body and He died on the cross to give you a chanch to use it. That is where common since came from. Just thank God that you were born with a good one and the choice to use it is all yours.

            • Edd

              OK, so how did god give me my brain? Can you please explain the process? And what if you’re an atheist? And how do I know if he gave me a good one? Does he have bad ones too? So what about disabled people? Does he have defective ones? And the people with bad brains? Can they repent and then switch it to a “good” brain?….. See all these questions? Doesn’t it give you the feel of a story for kids?

            • eric

              Okay so if no one else is going to do it I will. The word is
              chance not chanch. Chanch is a village in India FYI. And what are you talking about, we cant explain the air we breathe. Here is an idea go to the library, find the non-fiction section, read some of those. I think the world might make more sense to you after reading books that are based on facts.

        • Crowfeather197

           Sigh. 
           Why does everyone keep arguing, when they know that neither side will win? 
           Let’s just admit it. 
           NOBODY KNOWS IF GOD IS REAL OR NOT. 
           YOU CANT TELL ME “GOD IS REAL” OR “GOD ISNT REAL.” BECAUSE, GUESS WHAT, YOU DONT KNOW PROBABLY!!!!! SO WHY ARGUE ABOUT SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE COMPLETLEY BLIND OVER?! 
           That is what I call, not having common sense. 

          • Ben

            Yeah i agree with the fact that its pointless to argue on matter of principle – maybe on matter of influence is another story, but even though no-one does know if Gods real or not for sure, to say its something that people are completely blind over is a bit wrong, there is literally no conclusive or scientifically supporting evidence to support the claim that there is a God. Rationale would then dictate that claims in the belief of God do not differ in reality from claims to the existence of boogeymen. I know that is a worn out analogy, but it is a good one. I’ll have to side with the Atheists on this one.

          • Linda

            I know God is real! If you would ask Him then He will reveal Himself but you must understand that God works in mysterious ways. I would suggest you read the Bible and at least give yourself a chanch to get to know Him and what he is all about. He loves you but there are things that none of His children will understand untill we shead this old body of ours and just know that our souls never die. We live by faith not by sight. There are a lot of things on this earth that we can’t explane like, can you see the air your breathing now?

        • Joe montana

          It wouldnt have been common sense if he didnt tell us first

        • http://www.facebook.com/orlando.perez.3511 Orlando Perez

          obviously till this day people still make the dumbest mistakes that require no common sense so yea maybe we DO

          • Edd

            Wether or not you believe in god you’ll keep on making mistakes throughout your life.

      • http://www.facebook.com/zack.lystedt Zack Lystedt

        I agree compleatly!!! : )

      • Edd

        Do you seriously believe that ALL good values come from the bible?? If you do, you are truly an idiot. And why do you even think that god is trying to protect us? I mean, have you really been living under a rock? Isn’t putting up what’s a “sin” (making rules) a way of bossing people not to do that? But yeah, I agree there are some pretty good “sayings”, but that’s not the only source that contains good “sayings”, and it certainly isn’t the originating source of good values, if you care to realize after all the corruption that’s happening because of the manipulation of its use, and its manipulators are pretty content most of the time if not for the occasional scandal.

    • kay

      then u believe in science unless u tell me are an astronaut because you have not seen that earth revolving around the sun. what professing is faith. believing in something you have not seen. that is what it is to believe in God.

    • GRH

      religion may do more harm than good but does God?

      • http://www.flickr.com/groups/invisiblepinkunicorn Anna

        Since there’s no evidence that deities exist, there’s also no evidence of them doing anything. What we do know is that religion exists. People who believe in different gods and goddesses exist. And both of those, IMO, do much more harm than good.

    • Patty

      Religion is harmful when there’s a lack of knowledge, true knowledge

    • Luisa48

      Don’t you believe in yourself? Don’t you believe in your own abilities? Don’t you believe in your achievements? If you don’t believe in a God, then you have to believe in yourself. If you don’t believe in yourself then you don’t exist.

  • NUTAMUG

    I do not believe in God. I believe in a scientific way of the Earth built. Rocks & dust formed to create each planet in the universe like it does with stars. All the materials that are discovered and undiscovered in the Earths ground is what was floating in space before Earth was joined. God, to me, doesn’t exist and it’s what I choose to believe. I do not believe in the bible or any of the biblical stories. Some myths and legends are often believed by me. Sorry, but that’s my view.

    • Basketballsamu

      then how can you explain human beings… someone had to create us, and you also can’t explain how the universe even happened… everything has a creator you think it just appeared?? 

      • Lucas Bluecat

         Evolution.  Check it out.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/MEALZ4UQBMLBYQIKT4WCQWHOKY Simon

          Do you think God had a hand in that…

          • Lucas Bluecat

             Oh answer for everything is Dog. 

        • :)

          Oh really? Cool, so…um…u mind showin me how that works? :) Can ya do an explotion and have awesome things come from it? ;D 

          • Ellen

             Can you show me how to make a woman out of a mans rib?

            • Hisprincess 000

              Simple answer: No. No one can show you that. Only God can.
              But let me ask you this… Have you ever wondered why men have one less rib than women do?

              Something to ponder over.

              ~A loving Christian.

              • Lucas Bluecat

                 How about  you ponder facts.

                The book Genesis of the Bible tells that Eve was created from one of
                Adam’s ribs. This has led some people to assume that men have one fewer
                rib than women, but upon inspection this is false: men and women both
                have 12 pairs of ribs. In addition, removed ribs usually regenerate
                within 2-3 months of sectional surgery, as in the surgical procedure rib
                thoracoplasty.

                :-) 

                • Hisprincess 000

                  So Adam had sectional surgery?

                • Lucas Bluecat

                   If I were to even entertain the idea of ‘Adam’ existing…

                  What would you call it if you had one of your ribs removed?

                  Men and women have 6 pairs of ribs.  This is a fact. 

                  What did you say before?  “Have you ever wondered why men have one less rib than women do?”

                  Wake up and get real.

              • Ben

                Hey man, its fine to make mistakes sometimes about things. and what I’m about to say applies to all things in your life; business, relationships, wikipedia, not just on matters of religion. But I think everyone should try to question and find mutually supporting evidence for things that people or websites tell them before they make up their own minds about things – try not to rehash stuff without researching it yourself first. 
                Because even things the people we love have told us or passed down to us, and despite the fact that we trust them above all else does not always mean that they are right or have learnt what they know from a reliable source. Unfortunately we are all human, even our elders, which means we are open to influence and delusion under the right circumstance. This is how con-men get away with so much – by feeding the vulnerable areas of the human psyche.
                I don’t hold any resentment towards you trying to defend what you believe is true, that’s an admirable quality to stand up for something that you believe is important and true, but I would suggest that if you’re going to stand for something make sure you do a thorough analysis and find real, conclusive evidence to support your claims. Unfortunately ‘faith’ is just accepting what you are told, and not wanting to investigate any further – which I think is crucially important to dispelling ignorance and discovering our own truths. I can’t remember who it was but a very good quote I heard the other day was that ‘real knowledge is to understand ones ignorance’ and by that same token Stephen hawking stated “the greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, but the illusion of knowledge” I think this rings very true in this forum
                alright ill leave it at that
                have a good day man

                • RichInGodsLove

                  Why do you all complain?? To Believe God you take it by Faith as it does if you dont believe, if there isnt a God there is nothing to look forward to after we die, and we might have been put here by some kind of alien and laughing at us all, Or there is a God that Loves us and had his only Son die on the cross for our sins, Truth is none of us will know til we are dead and it will be too late to tell anyone the truth. In saying that not sure why we cant get along and let people believe what they want to. You like can act kids or a adult.

            • Ben

              ha!

        • Questions-answers

          Did it ever occur to you that God designed the Big Bang to create the world?
          There is proof that God exsists, and there is also proof that there was a massive explosion that created the lump of earth that we call our world.
          on the subject of evolution however, there is more evidence against it than for it. maybe do some research and decide for yourself like i did.

          • Lucas Bluecat

             Did it occur to you that people like you can make up any answer you want?

            If there is proof you sure keep it quiet. 

            More evidence against evolution?  Wow you didn’t share anything for another claim.

            Please cite your research.  :-)

      • Wilsonruston

        although, I do beleive in jesus, there are ways to claim “jesus didnt create us.” like, what really created the universe? well, what about “the big bang theory.” then it began a process, from all kind of creatures, being passed down. The question could be not “who made us?” but, “what did we come  from?” like, what if we come from cave men? And next, something could come from us.
        like i said, i am a beleiver in jesus. And i do beleive he died for our sins, just answering your question. SO, there are other ways to beleive how we came about.

      • Lucas Micheal

         From an atheists perspective someone did not have to create us. Therefor making this argument completely useless.

        • Ivan

          You keep on going about evolution. I really want to believe you but why aren’t apes and gorilla’s becoming humans any more

          • Hklaus68

            they never have – humans and apes originate from the same species and evolved separate – read biology books!

          • Dae Alexandra Malinowski

            Nobody ever said we came from apes or monkeys they say we evolved from something similar to but not the monkeys/apes of today. Keep in mind as we evolved so did all the other creatures on earth….and we as well as every other living thing on our planet will continue to evolve and change as long as our planet and its main energy source the sun are in sync. Now why is this question so important to everyone anyway??? What we all do know is that our lives in the body we r given right now is rather short. Shouldnt weall just try to have the best time we can while we r here? That is my belief: everyone alive should b happy! Just be!

        • The non crusading Christian

          It is interesting to see that Atheists are not much different from all the other “Faiths”. They preach that their way is the right and only way. It is challenging to respect the views of an Atheists because all they seem able to do is dismiss all other viewpoints and beliefs. Atheists seem to have an insecurity about their stance. As a Christian I am not out to “get” or “convert” atheists or non Christians. Yet, I do not appreciate a superiority complex that has a negative answer to all of my beliefs while not being able to present respectfull alternative.

          • Nene Anne

            I SO agree with you. I find it really irritating when atheists try to convert people when Christian missionaries try to convert people usually it’s because they want to help that pgrbn so they can go to heaven. Athiests are just trying to prove that they are tight and everyone else is wrong. Although I do consider useless an atheist, I find atheist missionaries more annoying than Christian ones simply because of their intent. I think it is good to teach people what your beliefs are, but don’t make them believe exactly what you do. Just leave them to thin what they think and let them decide on their own and only teach if they ask. Leave them be, even if you are tyin to help them.

      • Mark

        I do not believe in the man-made Biblical God nor do I believe in randomness.I am not an atheist.I believe in God as the equivalent of the Universe or Nature.I am not an atheist nor a theist.God is everything (Universe).And the only way we could study and realize this God which we are all part of (Universe,oneness)is through science and not bigoted religion…

      • X4rz11

        how did God appear?

    • Tress4you

      How can anyone lay down on this beautiful earth and look at the sky and say…. I dont believe in God.
      The heavens are so beautiful! I am looking forward to the day that we hear the trumpet sound from heaven to call all of the Christians home! To become a Christian, you need to ask God to forgive you for all of your sins and ask him to come live in your heart. You will feel a change that moment and he will take it from there. He loves you And created you for a reason. He picked you!
      For God so loves the world that he gave his only son, that whosoever believes in him, should not perish but have EtERNAL life!!!!!! John 3:16
      Where are you going when you die?
      Heaven or burn in hell forever? The decision is yours!

      • Dae Alexandra Malinowski

        No one is going to hell or heaven….atleast not the ones u r refering to…its just not like that. Its way more complicated than any of us can even comprehend! Cant we all just b happy within ourselves knowing and believing in whatever it is we “feel” is “right” or ” true”! Personally i believe u and i will likely come back to this realm un”til we have “learned” all we can…once we become “enlightened” THEN maybe we will get to see what else is up….

    • dragonfly4

      then Who created the rocks and dust… the stars and all the other materials? Someone had to – that someone is GOD!

    • Aubz8

      The universe can’t just pop up out of nowhere. If there was nothing there before it then it wouldn’t be here today. Nothing makes itself. Animals need a man and a woman(creators) to come into existence. Waves in the ocean don’t create themselves. So wether you like it or not everything has a component that creates it. Therefore the earth and the universe itself was created if it wasn’t then it wouldn’t be here at all.

    • ChristianTeen

      You mean the big bang theory? Theyre teaching us about the way thevearth formed, in other words “THE BIG BANG THEORY” which is FAKE!

      • 3lemenope

        Wow. Well, that’s convincing.

  • Imadam23

    To all the at atheist’s out there.. When you guys say “I dont BELIEVE  in anything”  key word believe, then why do you people BELIEVE in evolution, rocks, trees, formation of the planets coming together creating this so called world of ours as you guys would say it.. when you believe in something, and it can be anything you want then that makes you a believer because in somehow someway whatever u believe in has a creator and that creator is GOD. . What bothers me is that atheists say that the world was made by rocks and all these weird things. Then let me ask you this question, if the world was created by evolution then Who created humans, dinosours and etc?

    • Lucas Bluecat

       Wow!!  First let me say Atheists dont say ” We dont believe in anything!”

      Atheists DO believe something. They actually believe MORE than a
      Theist. Look at a shelf of science and biology text books. Look at a
      shelf of encyclopedias. In fact look at an entire library of
      non-fiction material.

      Look at people, look at logic, look in the mirror at yourself.

      That is what an Atheists believes in.

      BTW when you say ” What bothers me is that atheists say that the world was made by rocks and all these weird things.”  What do you mean?  Atoms?  HA!

      You are clueless… 

      Have a nice day!
       

      • :)

        Actually, i have had a lot of Atheists say that to me too, so i can understand where he’s coming from. 
        But yeah, i also agree that u guys have tons of faith! :) 
        I mean, it takes alot of faith to believe that out of an explotion all this awesomeness was created!! Cause honestly…ive never seen that happen, all explotions ever do is make a huge mess :P lol 
        And believing that we don’t have a creator!!! That’s huge faith right there!!! Cause i mean…even POOP has a creator!! :P 

      • http://www.facebook.com/llbraun Laurie Lasseter Braun

        Who created the atoms? Rocks? Monkeys?

        • Lucas Bluecat

           Why WHO?   Why do you HAVE to have an answer to everything.

          Take a deep breath.   Its ok to NOT know all the answers.

          And its WRONG to make up an answer the DOG made it.

      • Ivan_yousif

        Hi Lucas atheist believe in science mad by human text book written by human. What you see what you feel what you smell is all that what you believe in. That makes you a God be cause you created and build everything. You don’t believe in God but yet indirectly call yourself one. One more question what ever is that you smoking stop its killing you

        • Lucas Bluecat

           I dont smoke anything.   And YES you are correct.  God IS made in a humans image.   BTW your last statement isn’t a question … :-) wake up.  ( look at the errors in your text)

    • Gjwilliams33

      I never argue or even debate with those that believe in a creator.  I don’t because I totally understand that those believers must believe in order for them to live happily here on earth.  I don’t put their beliefs down as they have every right to believe in anything that makes their life on earth as rewarding as it can be no matter how much it goes against my common sense.

    • Jimmy Jo Jo

      As an atheist it would bother me too if other atheists said ‘the world was made by rocks and all these weird things’.

  • JOHN

    AN  ATHEIST  WILL ALWAYS ASK FOR PROOF THAT GOD EXIST . THE PROOF IS THERE  LOOK AROUND , HOW CAN A GAS CLOUD MAKE THIS BEAUTIFUL  UNIVERSE . HOW CAN EACH PLANET BE PERFECTLY ROUND .IF IT WAS MADE BY A GAS CLOUD THEIR WOULD BE NO AIR ON EARTH NO OZONE LAYER . BECAUSE THE WORLD WAS THERE BEFORE LIVING LIFE .HOW WOULD A GAS CLOUD KNOW OF MAKING A OZONE LAYER FOR LIVING LIFE . THERE WOULD BE DUCKS RUNNING AROUND WITH A LIZARDS HEAD .EVERY ANIMAL IS PERFECT EVERYTHING IN THIS WORLD IS BALANCED OUT PERFECTLY. HOW CAN SOMEONE  ASK FOR PROOF OF GOD WHEN GOD IS IN THE SPIRITUAL REALM. HOW CAN A ATHEIST BE SURE THAT  THERE IS NO GOD ,IF THEY NOT WILLING TO BELIEVE IN A SPIRITUAL REALM.  IF THE WORLD  THAT THE ATHEIST BELIEVE IN WAS THE TIP OF THE ICE BERG , THE HUGE MOUNTAIN OF ICE UNDER THE  TIP OF THE ICE BERG  WOULD BE THE SPIRITUAL REALM . WE CANT SEE THE HUGE BLOCK OF ICE UNDER THE WATER ,WE CAN ONLY SEE THE TIP ABOVE THE WATER .THAT IS HOW IT IS IN THIS LIFE ,WE ARE IN HUMAN FORM NOT SPIRITUAL FORM YET . AND THE  ATHEIST WOULD SAY WERE IS THE  PROOF LOL  WE ONLY SEE THE PROOF WHEN WE DIE .  IF THE ATHEIST BELIEVE IN A GAS CLOUD OR BIG BANG ,WHAT CREATED THE GAS CLOUD .WHAT CREATED THE ATMOSPHERE  AROUND THE GAS CLOUD ,EVEN BETTER WHAT CREATED THE NOTHING. WERE DOES NOTHING BEGIN OR END   . ATHEIST OR TO QUICK TO THINK THAT NOTHING EXIST OUTSIDE THIS WORLD  ,BUT THEY ARE FORGETTING  THAT HUMAN MINDS OR TO PRIMITIVE TO UNDERSTAND . SURE ! HUMANS MADE IT TO THE MOON AND BACK . BUT THAT WOULD BE CHILD’S PLAY TO GOD.  JESUS  THE SON OF GOD AND THE ATHEIST WILL SAY WERE’S  THE PROOF . THERE IS PROOF ATHEIST  ,FIRST OF ALL ACCEPT THAT THE HUMAN BRAIN IS TO PRIMITIVE TO BEGIN WITH  . AND THEN TRY AND IMAGINE THIS WORLD BEING IN THIS UNIVERSE  SURROUNDED  BY NOTHING AND NOTHING AND NOTHING FOR LIGHT YEARS AWAY  .IF WE ARE THE ONLY THING IN THIS NOTHING WHAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF BEING HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. WHAT FOUNDATION DOES NOTHING REST ON . THE INGREDIENTS TO MAKE THIS NOTHING HAD TO COME FROM SOMETHING.THAT INCLUDES THE SO CALLED GAS CLOUD  (EVOLUTION)     . THERE IS MORE TO LIFE THEN WHAT MEETS THE EYE.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/MEALZ4UQBMLBYQIKT4WCQWHOKY Simon

    I think Joseph Campbell said it best, “God is a metaphor for that which transcends all levels of intellectual thought.  It’s as simple as that.”

  • Whitt_adam

    You all are goin to burn. Sad to say.

    • Magan

      Just saying- Not the best way to get someone to convert.

  • Grizzlyjoeblotsoffur

    Every thing of this world has a beginning and a end
    So lets look at evaluation
    so how ever long ago all the dust and matter floating through space come together to form the earth. Let me ask this. What happens when two objects meat when in motion ……….do they join…
    no they bounce off and if its moving in space there is no gravity to slow it down it keeps moving but lets just say by chance it did gather together to make the earth whats next water? How did it get here? Ok so lets say its floating through space too and it also joins the dust matter too whats next? Air you cant have life with out it right? How do you think it got here ? But it got here and it made the o zone to keep are atmosphere separated from space .then what? Plant life right? Every plant comes from a seed or seed like start .so where did the first seeds come from? But somehow plant life started after the water and land divided whats next ?Life. ????? How? Well lets just say it up and poped out of nowhere. There is a the first living thing on land lets call him frank. Now frank is a little blob of life . Frale little blob. So frank sets out into this new world .but when he crawls out of the shade he dried up and dies. But he comes back and says i got to have a thicker skin to keep me from drying out so he comes back with thicker skin and trys again but after a long time of crawling hes getting nowhere so he dried out again and died but he comes back again but this time he has legs …do you see where this is going …evaluation is bs to many maybes and what ifs is it so hard to believe that the earth was created every thing came from something

  • Phodge0919

    Its not a matter of believing in those things it’s a matter of knowing where they come from, take love for instance, it’s a non-tangible thing. How do you know to love? Who put love in your heart? How did you even know it was actually love? Take the goodness of people, who declared their deeds good? Who made the “Golden Rule” and declared works to be good, where does the inspiration of law abide? Who gave men their thoughts? The reality is you would have to believe in someone higher than you or your belief becomes a unsolved mystery

  • JoAnn Williams

    My answer to this question is:  I don’t need to believe in god and heaven to know that I can live a very happy and satisfying life and be content with the fact that when I die that’s the end.  I totally understand why the majority of humans believe in a god.  They believe because they must.  It would not be possible for them to happily live their lives on earth not believing that they will be going to heaven and seeing the loved ones they have lost and that there is “something” after death.  It would be devastating and totally unbearable for them to believe that this is all there is of their lives.  I feel  sad for the majority that have the need to believe because, even though they believe in god and heaven, I feel they must have a great fear of death.  If this isn’t true then why wouldn’t they end their lives when they lose the love of their life and could see them again if they ended it? 

  • Sydneybrown7

    To everyone who’s asking what created that atoms that evolved into the earth, and are saying that everything has to have a creator.. who created your “god”?

  • Sspringventura

    I am also atheist. I believe when you die, you die. That there is no heaven or hell. How could there be a god? How can someone create the earth? And if he did, who creates him? It just dosent make sense to me. And no matter how many time I explain my beliefs to people, they try to change my mind.

  • Senpai

    No one can KNOW if God is real or not. One thing I do know, however:

    If we evolved from apes, there would still be an in-between. I do believe in Evolution; but Humans have always been Human and only Humans have evolved to other forms of Human.
    I also know that if things are just the way they are because they are, I’m one that survives death and always will, because I was not only legally STILLBORN (dead at birth), I was also declared dead during a surgery mishap in Fourth Grade and I came back from that, as well.
    So, if there are no higher powers, please begin bowing down to me.

  • Lucwaug@comcast.net

    I believe atheist are lost and I pray they find there path back to god. There is no way you can say god does not exist. Big an atheist reads this… God is real… I will pray for you….I hope others will pray to… Oh and I’m 14… And I am smart enuf to belI’ve in god. I don’t need prof

    • Edd

      That’s a really narrow minded perspective you have there. What makes you so sure  you know you’re on the right “path”? If you think prayers are the solution to atheists, aren’t you being a little illogical? What will your prayers do? If you believe in god and atheists don’t believe in your specific religion or god, I don’t think praying is going to be very effective. You’re think you’re smart enough to believe in god, but you’re not quite smart enough to think about the situation and the specific statement that you are making.

      • Hisprincess 000

        You could always be a little more sensitive. The kid is fourteen years old, after all. At least he/she had the gall to comment on this and to tell you how he feels, and that he is praying for you all. In fact, so am I.

        I have a question for you. If we truly “evolved” from apes, where is the evidence? If the universe truly just came from a little blob that exploded, where did the blob come from? How do you know what was in the blob? What was in the blob that caused the explosion?

        I’m not saying you’re absolutely, positively, undoubtedly wrong. That could have happened. But that is absolutely, positively, undoubtedly NOT what I believe is true.

        There is no evidence that the earth is 4.5, 3.2, 6.9 or how many ever billion years old. There is no evidence that we evolved from monkeys. There is no evidence that particles in a small blob caused a random explosion and every human being, every plant, every animal in the universe just “evolved”.

        If we just exploded, who taught our cells to die and more to be created? If we just exploded, who taught birds how to break open the egg they were born in? If we just exploded, how did a Praying Mantis learn how to devour a mouse? If we just exploded, who taught eagles to soar high above the ground in search for a specific type of fish? If we just exploded, who taught the left side of our brain to control the RIGHT side of our body? If we just exploded, who taught us how to think? If we just exploded, who taught our brains how to send faster than light messages throughout our bodies to control how we think, talk and move?

        I know one thing. NO one taught you how to lie. NO one taught you how to steal. NO one taught you how to cheat. NO one taught you how to want to see pornography. NO one taught you how to hate another human.
        You know why?
        Because we were born with a sinful nature, because “In the beginning…” Adame and Eve ate from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Satan took a hold of her mind and soul, and taught her how to sin.
        SATAN teaches you how to sin, secretly and silently, in your mind. SATAN lays upon you bad situations, but God allows him to, because he has a greater purpose. Satan just wants you to hate God.

        Have you noticed that Christianity is one of the most hated, ridiculed and argued over religion in the world? That’s because in the back of your mind, you know it could be true, even if you strongly believe against it. Satan wants you to hate Christianity. And God. And people. And life. And the truth.

        “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.”
        Genesis 1:1 (The very first verse of the Bible.)

        I hope God causes this verse to stay stuck in your mind after you read this.
        ~A loving Christian.

  • we are all God

    CAN’T WE JUST ALL AGREE THAT NONE OF US KNOW SHIT!!!!! WE LITERALLY DON’T HAVE A CLUE OF THE ANSWER TO “WHY” SCIENCE TELLS US “HOW” RELIGION TRYS TO TELL US “WHY” BUT IN THE END, NONE OF US KNOW FOR REAL “WHY” WE ARE HERE. just be happy, do what you do…. that’s all “god” or “yourself” wants.

  • Christineme101

    I just say I only believe In what i see

  • Hisprincess 000

    “God is dead.”
    -Nietzsche, 1883
    “Nietzsche is dead.”
    -God, 1900

  • Hisprincess 000

    “God is dead.” -Nietzsche, 1883
    “Nietzsche is dead.” -God, 1900

  • Anna

    I am a Christian, and I am about to say something that may annoy other Christians. But let’s be honest – the Bible is a book written BY MAN, about God. As much as we refer to the Bible for help, and I do believe it has inspiring and encouraging words in it that I personally believe God had a part of, it IS written by man, and going by our rules it means that it is not infallible. Perhaps Christians should consider that factor before deciding what they believe. However, in saying that, it is therefore not fair for atheists to attack Christians about believing in such ridiculous stories, because confused Christians will not know how to answer the same way atheists may struggle with the answer above. I believe that both sides can gain respect for each other, and perhaps even determine the full truth of what “God” is to us, if we are open minded and, rather than asking questions that shut each other down, discuss it. 

  • cheryl kempton

    I am an atheist and I believe in many, many things. I believe in positive moral and ethical behavior because it is right not because I am being threatened by some form of eternal punishment. I believe there is no ultimate truth or answer and I believe that is ok. I believe in the power of collective thought. I believe it is easier for most to believe in things that have already been mapped out for them, than to seek their own way in life and I think that is a shame. I believe people do good things and people do bad things because of the human condition and not because some mystical force is behind them working through them. Those are just a few things I , as an atheists, do believe.

  • Aaashleyyyy

    The one true God is like a parent. He knows what’s best for us just like you know what’s best for your child even if they say they “hate” you for not letting them have their “way “…and they wont understand until they get older. U know how u tell them ” u will thank me when u get older”

    When u were a kid u wanted some things that u now know are bad for u (hopefully). But at that time u just didn’t understand why and u just wanted to be free and have everything the way u wanted. Where would u be if your parents let u do everything u wanted without raising u? U would be a product of your environment (very trustworthy eh?)

    I know there’s so much confusion with all the different religions (I was an atheist) . But until I became enlightened on the order of connectivity of body and spirit my only regret was not believing earlier. However I do believe that none of the religions that are “out” are 100% true although one is very close. But there will b a major revealance that u wont b able to deny.

    We are spirits inside of these bodies made up of elements. There is something bigger out there. Just like u realize now what u didn’t realize when u were a child. When u were a child u couldn’t think like an adult. This is how unbelievera are spiritually.

    God is real. He’s not going to go out of his way for people who don’t believe in him when he already put enough proof out there. Have u ever had someone believe u were lying and u were not? Were u more or less compelled to show them u were not lying? Chances are u said something like “fine don’t believe me u will c an u will feel stupid when u realize I was telling the truth”. God is a real person. We can’t see him just like we can’t see our own spirit but do u believe u have one or do I think u are just a coincidental group of elements whose feelings and love and attraction is meaningless? The evil attracts evil and creates evil to have someyhing to attract itself to. Misery loves company. I know I will get so much negative feedpack from this but I am a woman of faith and I KNOW that ONE person reading this will understand that something I said is the MISSING LINK to their questions about God. He will confirm this to u the same night u read this. He needs you to change because lately u have been questioning your purpose but you can’t reach it unless u reach Him because your purpose is greater than a material gain. Its not what u can make its what only u can create. U are probably the only one who read this to the very end. Ask Him right now to forgive u for not seeking Him sooner when u had that chance and soon understanding will flow as though u are drowning in it. Enjoy! Praise the Lord not man.

  • asdfghjkl

    If everything has a creator, then who created god?, my history teacher told me that people first started to believe in a god since they liked to think to themselves that after a loved one died, they were resting  in peace in a good place . 

  • Joedebby

    try “I believe in gravity”

  • Mark

    I do not believe in the man-made Biblical God nor do I believe in
    randomness.I am not an atheist.I believe in God as the equivalent of the
    Universe or Nature.I am not an atheist nor a theist.God is everything
    (Universe).And the only way we could study and realize this God which we
    are all part of (Universe,oneness)is through science and not bigoted
    religion…

  • http://www.facebook.com/darrell.lucas Darrell Lucas

    Faith by definition is believing in something with zero evidence.

    I also teach that we are to love one another.

    God doesn’t threaten me cause he’s a fairy tale.

    Christians however do plenty of threatening.

    My choice is to believe in what is proven and measurable.

    You should choose wisely and read what you’re typing. Misspellings, and horrendous punctuation. Put some effort in.

  • Hklaus68

    I believe in scientific research and factual discoveries only, but I accept reasonable theories also. Religion and belief in a god as only caused military conflicts and killings

  • Bobbybob

    God is real Jesus Christ is real god created the heavens and earth and gave his only son to die on the cross so that our sins could be forgiven and so we could get to heaven. If you don’t believe in god and except Jesus Christ as your savior you will perish and burn in hell for eternity so you should start to believe, and except Jesus as your savior.

  • Hklaus68

    Any god was created in the minds of ancient people, without scientific knowledge. Such god or any god cannot exist in reality and we don’t need proof of it. The elephant in the living room does not exist either – I don’t see one and nobody can! Besides, there are too many gods  – and have been in the past.  How do I choose the right one should I choose?

    • Lindsey

      Thank you! Gods were created by ancient people to explain events that they couldn’t explain any other way, things that we can easily explain now. Since then god, religion, has consistently been used to control people. I study the history of religion and it’s really interesting to find out how much people are confused about, especially religious people who claim to know so much more than me, a lowly atheist.

  • ImraazRally

    That’s right. It kills me when people ask “If not for god, then what do you believe in ?” I’ve written an article about this. Some even believe, atheism is a religion. what ? yes they do. Please take poll : atheism IS/ISNOT a belief/religion at http://www.the-antitheist.com/atheism-is-a-religion-why-are-you-an-atheist/

  • lana

    i believe……. you are worshiping yourself. period.

    • http://www.flickr.com/groups/invisiblepinkunicorn Anna

      Why would atheists worship themselves? I don’t worship anything. In fact, I think the very concept of worship is messed up.

  • GRH

    Don’t you believe in yourself if you don’t believe in God? Because you based your unbelief in God off of knowledge that you gained?

  • Sandy C.

    I have often wondered about this myself. But in the respect that, EVERYONE believes in SOMETHING. So I have often wondered what athiests believe. I havent wondered as a judgement call (although being a Christian myself, I cant imagine not believing in God), but more of a curiosity question. Like I said, everyone believes in something.

  • Sandy C.

    Why cant these pages be used to learn about and understand one another? Why do they all have to be battle grounds? I am here to learn about the beliefs of others. If I dont like what they have to say or take offense then I dont have to come here. I wish these pages could be used the way they are suppose to be used. NEWS FLASH if the people that are calling themselves Christians are on here acting badly, how does that make Christianity look. You are giving Christianity a bad name. Yes, I am a Christian. I can only hope that all Christians would try their best to behave as one.

    • http://friendlyatheist.com Richard Wade

      Hi Sandy,

      I appreciate your spirit of good will and sincere curiosity. Not all the pages here on this blog are entirely battlegrounds. Once in a while people manage to understand each other rather than just try to defeat each other. A few people like you, both believers and nonbelievers come here to communicate rather than just to express themselves, come to find and affirm our common humanity rather than just our divisions and differences of opinion. We few have to be patient with the rest, and lovingly remind those on our own “side” to keep taking the high road, keep practicing our best behavior, but mainly we have to keep doing that ourselves.

      To respond to your first comment, confusion arises when people forget that there are two basic meanings to the word “believe.” One is to assume the truth or reality of something, such as to believe in a god or to believe in what a politician says. The basis of atheism is skepticism, which is not the mulish refusal to believe something, but the willingness to withhold belief until acceptable evidence is presented. So atheists are merely unconvinced of the existence of gods, just as you might be unconvinced of the existence of, say, aliens lurking on the far side of the moon. For belief in gods, atheists need the same kind of clear, hard, tangible, physical evidence that you would probably need to overcome your skepticism about secret lunar aliens. Please understand that I don’t use this example to ridicule your belief in God. I’m only trying to illustrate an example of an extraordinary claim that would need evidence to be believed.

      The other meaning of “believe” is to be in support of something, to favor something, to value something, such as to believe in democracy, or fair play, or freedom for all, or my family. So when you think that “everyone believes in something,” you might be incorrectly applying the first meaning to atheists, while correctly assuming the second meaning. So if you don’t believe in, for instance, Poseidon, or that Elvis is still alive, you and an atheist probably share those positions of skeptical disbelief. Yet you probably both believe in kindness and good will to people, or in honesty and forthrightness.

      This is a very old post, so probably few if anyone else will read your and my comments here, but please keep visiting the more recent pages, and adding your positivism.

  • Truth In God We Trust

    Why do atheist think we are here by pure accident?

  • http://www.facebook.com/kevin.r.cross.9 Kevin R. Cross

    My reply? I don’t believe in anything.
    There’s nothing out there that requires belief. There’s what we can see, and measure, and theorise, and there’s what doesn’t exist.

  • atheist

    i believe we are animals. i believe we as a species were not meant to live this long, or live at all for that matter. i believe we are a big beautiful mistake, though at the same time, ugly as the insects the crawl beneath us and fly over us. when we forget what we really are we become beautiful and un-Savage-like. but when instinct is a factor the ugly comes out.

  • Patty

    I hear a lot of talk on joy life the now and.leaving behind memories, who establish these thoughts? Who calls these things joy?’how do u know it’s joy? A legacy of only memories? So you go into the earth and that is that? U cease to exist? , ok who made you? Who made the skin you’re in?your eyes nose mouth? If we supposedly came from animals who made them, how did we evolve but still have those same animals as animals?

  • tf

    It seems the concept to “believe in” doesn’t make sense. Things exist or do not exist. It has nothing to do whether we “believe” or not. It seems that to “believe” in something requires “faith”. As a scientist, I do not accept the concept of “faith”. I have to be able to measure something.

  • Mitch

    For Atheists to believe rather in science than God, is just plain stupid and rediculous.Science created itself? Bull shit. I suppose science decided how to design the human anatomy? Science decided to created all the different species of life from humans to animals to insects to birds to fish? To me, the word atheist is synomymous with the word assholes.

    • Edd

      And this is one of the reasons why a lot of people choose to “stray from the path of god”. If someone doesn’t agree with a certain religious view they are picked on or shunned. This person is clearly a “perfect example” of what we all want to be. Believing in something that justifies disrespect for others and aggravates conflict is something I don’t want to be a part of.

  • Ra-One

    Athiests do not believe in God. Animals also do not beleive in God !

  • sherripie

    If you do not believe in a master creator, God, then how can you explain how everything got here. It all came from a master DNA, and everything came from that.
    God did not intend for us to suffer, but we chose it. We are only on earth a short time and this is our learning place. We go to our creator when we die, and you might say, He takes us home. Jesus came to guide us and give us rules, he also died for our sins. Yes, sins, people were having sex with animals and worshiping animals as their Gods, and just bad, sinful people. Jesus gave us words to live by and to prove his love, died on the cross, as His Father asked of Him. I am sorry for people who do not believe because I can’t figure out how they come up with answers. Where is the end to the sky, how is everything held together. The CERN project found the missing particle, the God particle, that holds everything together and is the DNA for all. The imprint on the Shroud of Turin is a reverse negative with a 3D element, and is the negative of Jesus when he arose from the dead on his burial cloth. There is nothing in our world that is capable of doing this print front and back. We do not have all the answers, but we do have the spirit of our creator inside us.. God made us in His image. So, if you want proof, just look in the mirror.

    • sherripie

      P.S. I don’t know where the end of the sky is either, but my point is that you can see that it exits, but we cannot explain it nor have the answer. This is just one of many that is before us and is real, but no answer.. Just because you cannot touch and feel something, does not mean it does not exist. It is beyond our intellect..

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  • sherripie

    We have a master creator who made all things. The master DNA was in the third particle found recently by the CERN project and is the God Particle that made all things stick together. The Shroud of Turin, which is the burial cloth of Jesus with the reverse negative on it front and back has the imprint with a 3D element built into it. No capability known to man on this planet can make this negative and with the face of Jesus on it. The end of the sky is not known to man, however, it exists, even if it is beyond our intelligence to know the answer. God exists with the secrets of mankind and the universe, but we do not share in that answer. Proof of God is very simple, go look in the mirror.

    • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

      I call Poe! No one could possibly make that many stupid claims that have been repeatedly debunked and actually mean it.

      • sherripie

        I feel sorry for those who never do research before they make judgement calls about things they know nothing about..

        • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

          Then you’re aware that the Higgs boson is only called the God particle because people didn’t like the researcher’s actual name, which was the Goddamn particle, because it was being so elusive? It has nothing to do with DNA and everything to do with how mass exists. The scale of DNA is soooo much bigger than the Higgs- the Higgs is sub-atomic. It’s much, much smaller than an atom and is an excitation in the Higgs field that we can measure as a particle or a wave function. It’s like light that way. DNA is a very large, long chain of proteins, each of which is made of many atoms. Your sense of scale is all off.

          The Shroud of Turin was recognized at the time as a painted-on forgery. “In 1389, the image was denounced as a fraud by Bishop Pierre D’Arcis in a letter to the Avignon Antipope Clement VII, mentioning that the image had previously been denounced by his predecessor Henri de Poitiers, who had been concerned that no such image was mentioned in scripture. Bishop D’Arcis continued, ‘Eventually, after diligent inquiry and examination, he discovered how the said cloth had been cunningly painted, the truth being attested by the artist who had painted it, to wit, that it was a work of human skill and not miraculously wrought or bestowed.’” It’s actually pretty easy to paint things onto a piece of cloth- people in the 1300s could certainly do it. The shroud has also been dated to the late 1300s/early 1400s with carbon dating AND has been shown to be anatomically incorrect.
          http://skepdic.com/shroud.html
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin#Scientific_perspective
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Shroud_of_Turin

          Well, we know what’s beyond the sky. Space, the final frontier. There’s other planets and our sun and other stars and their planets and galaxies and nebulas and black holes and all sorts of things. We, as humans, can’t even really understand the immensity of the universe in which we live. Our brains just can’t handle numbers that big. It’s a flaw in brains that evolved to handle this one world on which we live, where we can’t get more than about 12,500 miles away from where we were born. For example, it takes light 0.1344 seconds to travel around the earth, which is ~25,000 miles around. It takes light about 8 minutes to travel to the sun from Earth. Some people can handle that, others give up there. It takes light 4 years to travel to the next nearest star. At that point, pretty much all our brains just give up and put it into the “REALLY BIG” category. We also don’t know what’s past the edge of our universe, this is true. That doesn’t mean Goddidit. It means we don’t know, and we may never know.

          • sherripie

            You cannot prove that God does not exist. I answered this, but it is not here. So, here is a quick answer. The Shroud of Turin is not paint, it is human blood. That was determined to be in error, the result you are talking about, in fact, several years ago. The CERN project did produce a third particle and is called the God Particle, because it is more fitting since we would not be here if it were not there when the beginning of time began. There are several ideas about the beginning of time, and some do not think we even had a beginning. I do not believe we were created by aliens, nor do I believe there were master membranes rubbing together. I believe in a master creator, God, and many scientists have determined there is order to our universe, complicated equations, and if those equations were off by any small tiny amount, we would not exist. You see, for the reason I exist, I believe I have the better proof that there is a master creator, call it what you like, but we did not pop up from nothing. Try creating a living, breathing, human being who can reason, think and make determinations. Of all, we have a soul, which makes us different than any other thing in our world. Jesus, came in form of God, to die for us, and this I believe. What do you believe?

            • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

              *Facepalm*

              Of course I can’t prove God doesn’t exist. It’s pretty much logically impossible to prove a negative. You, as the one making the claims. must prove that they are correct. My only job as your audience is to listen to your evidence and determine if it is convincing or not.

              So, here is what you need to prove:
              1) There is a God, and
              2) it created the universe, and
              3) it’s the specific God you believe in.

              Good luck!

              As for your other claims, I suggest you go to YouTube and look up Minute Physics for the Higgs boson. The Shroud of Turin thing requires citations (which I note you failed to provide) and was recognized contemporaneously as a forgery, as well as being so seen today. As for the development of humanity, we didn’t pop up from nothing. Our very earliest ancestors were probably self-replicating RNA strands, which over billions of years developed greater and greater complexity, eventually leading to the diversity of life we see today. Life as we know it certainly didn’t just “pop up”. Go read up on evolution for a more complete understanding; talkorigins.org is a good starting point. As for a soul, there’s no evidence for such a thing. Find me experimental data on the soul and we’ll talk.

              • sherripie

                No, I do not have to prove anything, I am already convinced. If you do not see what is in front of your eyes, then it is your loss. I have done all I can do, which is far more than you have done. So, let’s just leave it at that. You have to put other things bigger and more important in life than war games. Good luck.

                • Kevin R. Cross

                  We do see what is in front of our eyes. Unlike you, we are not blinded by delusion.

  • sherripie

    Read the latest findings about the Shroud of Turin, “The Real Face of Jesus Christ (Shroud of Turin), will give you the latest findings, which is not paint on it, but human blood. The report you were referring to was proven to be inaccurate a few years ago. Also, read or bring up the video “The Universe”, God and the Universe, which is a neutral report on different versions of how the universe started. The CERN project was able after 50+ years of research, able to collide two small atoms together going faster than light to simulate the beginning of time with finally bringing the third particle that made it all happen. It is called the God particle because without it, everything would not exist. The whole universe are equations in math and if only one of those equations were off by the tiniest of measurements, we would not exist. I have one question for you?? Can you make a living, breathing human being? You people are all alike, full of hate for anyone who does not believe the way you do.. insulting will not influence me.. try someone else.

  • sherripie

    Let’s leave all the hateful messages out and just simply answer the question presented. What do Atheists believe in..?? What happens after you die, what do you think happens to your loved ones after they pass away, children, parents.. what happens to them? We know that Atheists believe we somehow just came about someway from nature, but who created the beginning? Where do you get your inspiration? This was the question, not a debate over is there a God or not, just what do you believe?

    • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

      After we die, we’re dead. We didn’t exist before we were born; ourselves are our brains and our brain activity. After we die, that brain activity ceases, and so do we. That’s true for everyone.

      Waaay back in the beginning, the Big Bang? We don’t know what caused it. The beginnings of life on Earth? We’re getting a pretty decent grip on that, though we might never know for sure. See, amino acids can form spontaneously in nutrient-rich water. Amino acids can also spontaneously combine into RNA strands. RNA strands can replicate themselves. Voila, a virus without a shell! Everything else eventually arose from that first, fragile, self-replicating strand of organic chemicals.

      I get my inspiration from the things around me, of course. The rain and lightning and thunder, the flowers, the sunrise and sunset, the beauty and cruelty of humanity, the beauty and cruelty of nature. Learning how circuits work- electricity is fucking weird, by the way. Thinking about how plants eat sunlight and that is so cool. Writing an elegant piece of code- it doesn’t just work, it’s also just … pretty. Beautiful. Sometimes approaching perfection. Writing a D&D encounter and giggling at the expressions my players are going to have when they fight it. The satisfaction in a job well done, the smell of a baking cake, even the frustration of a screaming argument with a spouse. Pain, joy, love, anger, hatred, compassion- where else can one pull inspiration from but our own experiences?

      • sherripie

        Thank you. That is really all I wanted to know. I do not hate people who do not believe in God. The same with gay people, I have had several friends who are gay and I thought they were good people. I don’t hate anyone. I feel that everyone has a right to his or her feelings. What is a D&D encounter? Is that a military type of thing? I have lived a lifetime and now in the winding down mode, so I am interested in lots of things, as I have the time now. Thanks.

        • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

          Dungeons and Dragons. It’s a mostly-cooperative tabletop game, where one person (the DM) controls the world and everyone else makes a character (usually a hero). The DM sets up the story and controls the bad guys, random people in the world, monsters, etc. The other players work together as a team to figure out what’s going on and fight the bad guys.

          • sherripie

            Sounds like fun. I would probably get hooked on it.. I have a grandson who does stuff for Facebook. He is a cartoonist and a professional artist. I have 2 sons, 5 grandsons, one of which is in medical school, and 5 granddaughters. They are all beautiful, smart and creative. I am very lucky, but they do not live close to me. I am in California and they are in Texas, New York, San Diego, San Francisco, etc., pretty much scattered. Good luck enjoyed the chat. I have lived many lifetimes..

            • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

              Sounds like you have an awesome family. I’m glad your life has gone well and is going well! I like these sorts of conversations too.

              I don’t hate, and have never hated, theists. I think they’re wrong, and I think they can be pretty silly sometimes, but never hatred. I live in the American South- the vast majority of the people I know (including my parents, grandparents, at least one sibling, and in-laws) believe in God of some sort. Most of them aren’t very religious, but they do believe.

              If you’re interested in finding a D&D game, see if there’s a local gaming shop near you! It’ll be a place that sells comic books and board games, usually. They often have events where people can walk in and play, and they’re also usually very friendly to new players.

              • sherripie

                Life is never perfect. I have breast cancer but doing good now. Had surgery several months ago. I had it also 21 yrs ago too. Lost my husband and mother just a few years from each other, but I know that is taken care of .. Also, I have heart stuff I have to stay on top of, but it is non-threatening. I am active and been cleaning my garage. I also keep up on stuff like chem trails which is very scary due to what is in the spray. Aluminum and stuff, read up on it and make them stop, he,he.. Good luck..Oh, I have a daughter too, she is pretty much her own person, so we mainly keep in touch. I did volunteer with the cancer patients, but had to stop for awhile. take care..

            • sherripie

              I am in central California, but originally from Texas and born in Okla City. The weather is really bothering me and wonder what is going on.. Yes, I am from the bible belt, but like to think positive about life after death. That is just me..

          • sherripie

            P.S. I think the monsters are becoming real.
            My lifetimes have all been in this one.. all rolled into one..

      • sherripie

        Thank you. This is really all I wanted to know. I have had friends who did not believe in God, I think, but we never did discuss it. I do respect those to their opinions. I believe there had to be something more to it, the way life began. Maybe Master Creator, or Master Engineer would be better. Anyway, I do not hate anyone, everyone has a right to their opinion. I love to smell a baking cake too, and all the other things. I have time now to take my 3 dogs out in the country for drives and observe nature. We see sheep, cows, horses, and all the crops that are beginning to grow now. I have the time, so I am interested in many things. I like to get other’s ideas and perspectives on things. So, thanks, and I wish you good luck. The picture is me and my son when he was small. He is a grandfather now. How time flies.

  • sparks

    So, I have a question for atheists. I am writing a research paper and I would like to know what atheists say we are.

  • Bob

    I think we just agree to disagree and move on with our lives. Why fight over this ?

  • Aubz8

    Everything in this universe requires some type of component that creates it. Therefore no. The universe did not just pop up out of nowhere? Do you realize how dumb that really sounds? If there was nothing there before the universe began then there would be nothing here now and humankind would not exist. Science itself was created by God. He put it here on earth in order for us to be intuitive he wants us to think. He wants us to choose to follow him not be a doll and be forced to. All he wants is a relationship. He was lonely. You would be too.

  • jake

    if all the creatures here on earth was made by god, then who created god?

  • sherripie

    If there was not a master creator, then how did you, I, universe, everything that works so perfectly to protect this planet come about. Even if you say we just popped out of the ground or water, there was a beginning to all of that.. You see, we as humans are the ones who ruin everything, not our creator. We will eventually ruin the planet that was created for us and through our greed and violence, will destroy it all. The beauty that was given to us, will all be gone one day. Then it will not matter if there is a God or not, we will want it to be so..When it is all over, you will pray that it is true, to have a place to go and have peace.

  • Sammy

    ATHEISM IS A GATEWAY TO TRUE HAPPINESS BUT ATHEISM BY ITSELF IS NOT:

    Atheism is a stepping stone to something much greater, but atheism alone allows you to be ignorant about what we are, what happens after death and how we came to be. Buddhist monks aren’t just sitting around with their eyes closed. They are in a DEEP altered state of mind, so complex and detailed that we cannot begin to conceive of while clicking away at our computers and shopping at the mall. They are gaining the answers to every question in the entire universe, just by looking deep within. Merely by grabbing some floor, and experiencing true happiness. No more setting goals, reaching goals, only to set more goals. No more experiencing whole, imperfect moments. No more desire, no more suffering. There is an entire map of the universe within all of us, but we have so many distractions that most of us never find that out – and that’s the biggest problem with this society. If everyone realized the answers were within and that going about busting our asses in our daily lives was actually counter productive, the entire system would collapse. What do you think the entertainment industry is for? Distracting people, encouraging desire, and doling out the idea that happiness is attainable, when in reality the pursuit of happiness will ALWAYS be a pursuit until you meditate.

    • Edd

      Monks aren’t the only philosophers around you know. Just by saying that they are answering all the questions in the entire universe and then saying, “No more setting goals, reaching goals, only to set more goals” is super contradictory because that’s the only way you can make progress.I mean, take a simple math problem, which finding the answer is the goal, solving it is the progress of reaching the goal, and the answer means that you gotta move onto the next until you finish the homework assignment and move towards finals so you could get into calculus next year. So how are they “gaining” if you say, “No more setting goals, reaching goals, only to set more goals”? And I would’ve liked your post more if you said a little more about what the answers are instead of being vague about it like a lot of theists.

  • Joseph O Polanco

    As has been correctly surmised, the overwhelming majority of people are born with a conscience that reacts when they do something wrong.

    The issue, however, is that, like any precision instrument, our conscience needs to be properly calibrated otherwise, like a compass disoriented by a magnet, it will leave us stranded. A clear example of this can be seen with child soldiers. These are more violent and vicious than their older counterparts.

    “More than 300,000 children—some as young as 7—are fighting as soldiers in 41 countries around the world,” said an Associated Press dispatch. Most are between the ages of 15 and 18. “Besides being used as front-line fighters, children are used to detect land mines and also as spies, porters and sex slaves, according to the Coalition to Stop the Use of Child Soldiers.” Drugs are often administered to make children fearless. Those who refuse drugs are killed, said a 14-year-old rebel soldier in Sierra Leone. Regarding his fighting in 1999 when he was 15, a North African youth reported: “They put all the 15- and 16-year-olds in the front line while the army retreated. I was with 40 other kids. I was fighting for 24 hours. When I saw that only three of my friends were alive, I ran back.” The Coalition’s report stated that governments recruit children because of “their very qualities as children—they can be cheap, expendable and easier to condition into fearless killing and unthinking obedience.”

    And so we arrive at the crux of our discussion. As we’ve seen whether or not a person has a conscience isn’t really the issue. It’s whether or not a person has a reliable conscience and whether or not he/she obeys it.

    This dilemma calls to mind an old Cherokee legend. It goes something like this:

    “An old Cherokee is teaching his grandson about life. “A fight is going on inside me,” he said to the boy.

    “It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves. One is evil – he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.” He continued, “The other is good – he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith. The same fight is going on inside you – and inside every other person, too.”

    The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather, “Which wolf will win?”

    The old Cherokee simply replied, “The one you feed.””

    With that in mind, consider what another equally wise and ancient passage tells us.

    “This is what Jehovah has said [] “I, Jehovah, am your God [Creator], the One teaching you to benefit [yourself], the One causing you to tread in the way in which you should walk. O if only you would actually pay attention to my commandments. Then your peace would become just like a river, and your righteousness like the waves of the sea.” – Isaiah 48:17,18 (Brackets mine.)

    • Edd

      First, what I always like to look for in a statement is whether there is any contradiction, to test out it’s reliability. This is the one I found in yours, “…the overwhelming majority of people are born with a conscience…”, clashes with, “whether or not a person has a conscience isn’t really the issue…”. Points off for contradiction. Completely contradicts your following examples used for enforcing the point that there is a line separating good and bad. So good=conscience and bad=no conscience? You mention the soldier children, as an example to prove how a conscience can be modified and used for wrongful purposes. You state your point, that a conscience has to be obeyed or be reliable, following off with a cute moralistic tale of how you ultimately choose which side you wanna be on, the bad side or the good side. It’s either the good wolf or the bad wolf, but c’mon nobody is 100% perfect or 100% bad, so it’s really just a narrowed down label of you’re either good or bad. Not everything is black and white. As I stated before, contradiction on your opinion of the importance of a conscience. Your perspective of a consciousness is a good source for debate. Finally, you end off on a religious passage that you should’ve just posted in the first place as a means of the solid, main debate without the beating around the bush introduction. A little ironic. Jehova, a pupeteer, “the one causing you to tread in the way which you should walk”, then the “manipulator” ironically and contradictorily continues, “O, if you would actually pay attention to my commandments”. So is he the manipulator or not? More contradiction creates a bigger reason for the dismissal of the statement.

  • Mo

    How can anyone even want to believe in, worship or be “friends” with a “god” that creates a being that if it doesn’t do what he says it should do then that creation will burn forever…what? That’s not love folks. Religion is just a way to control people. Whatever put is here is not helping us and doesn’t love us. Sheesh open your eyes and look at all the suffering. I do more than that “god” does to help suffering people and animals. Common sense isn’t very common.

  • Ron

    It’s simple.
    Ok. You don’t believe in heaven and you live to be 89. There ends up being no heaven. What have you lost? Nothing.
    Ok. So you don’t believe in heaven and you live to be 89. There ends up being a heaven. What have you lost? Eternity.
    It’s much, much harder to not believe than it is to believe. I like to believe heaven exists because hell is living on this earth.

    • Edd

      So are you just sucking up to a god in order to avoid going to a possible hell? Just in case? I wouldn’t believe in anyone/anything that threatens me. Sounds more like fearfully giving in to a bully and being submissive. What type of god would that be? Doesn’t sound like a good one.

      • Shawna Russell

        Everyone has to pay the price for their sins, the loving God we have provided an extremely easy way to do that penalty free and that’s accepting Jesus as Lord as He took our place as the sacrifice and payment for our sins, if you choose to simply not believe (and that’s literally the only criteria) than you must personally pay the price for your sins and unfortunately that is hell. What everyone is missing on this is that we are talking about paying the price for sin TO GOD, GOD. You say He doesn’t sound like a good one – as if God should bow down to you or he doesn’t met your standards – like compared to God we should even be allowed to express standards (not meant to be harsh, not starting a fight….). I’m trying to emphasize He is GOD, He is Holy, and Perfect and Infinite and GOD. So Him coming down in the form of a man, and taking the price for our sins by being hung on a cross so we can reign with Him for all eternity without having to bare the burden of sin ourselves says to me He is an extremely loving God. Bottom line whether anyone likes it or not God is without sin, we are not Gods so every single person on this plant NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE commits sin and in order to live with God in His holy place for all eternity we have to have our sins paid for. These are GODS rules contrary to how man feels about them (i.e,, that’s crap why would a loving God do that or who is God to send ME to hell) when you become God than you can decide the rules for the civilization you created. We are here for God, not the other way around.
        As for just sucking up to God to get into Heaven, it’s not like that I literally talk with God daily and He is AWESOME, like it’s a really cool trip and I genuinely love Him to my core. He’s nothing like anyone would think, He is extremely loving and patient and just the coolest thing ever.
        Shawna

        • http://rolltodisbelieve.wordpress.com/ Captain Cassidy

          That sounds pretty obscene and unjust to me, that your god would set up a system whereby someone got punished forever and ever and ever for being simply human, the way they were designed, and that god doesn’t even make it clear what he wants or how to do things the right way. I also question just how “extremely easy” your religion’s “easy out” is: it wasn’t easy at all for most people I knew and was quite emotionally damaging to most people. Sorry, there’s no way I’d kowtow to a being who set up a cosmology that brutal and sickeningly immoral. You can worship the schoolyard bully if you want though. I don’t think he’s very holy, good, just, perfect, or infinite. And I don’t think one can “love” something that abusive and monstrous. But you have fun with that.

  • Shawna Russell

    Has anyone here ever just said out loud “God if your real, or whoever is up there, I just want to be right with you?” I’m not joking, God WILL reveal Himself to you – how I found He was real. I don’t think it’s necessary to argue what everyone thinks – I actually really just care what happens to people in general. It’s really weird to be on this side of the coin, having spoken to GOD/Jesus more times than I can count, knowing He is 100% real and not truly having the right words that would convince anyone else of this. Me just saying He is real, doesn’t mean a thing to anyone here. This isn’t about converting people to win some points when I die, I truly love God to my core and it breaks His heart that there are people that still don’t believe in Him.
    For no other reason than what do you have to lose, just say out loud “God reveal yourself to me please.” Put aside religion and man made whatever and just search for truth – after all the truth is the truth right (not based on what I believe, not based on what you believe – it’s just truth). From there you can sleep easy at night knowing beyond a shadow of doubt what the truth is. I went on this search and I can say with certainty I found the truth.
    Please don’t disregard this post, it’s meant with extreme care for just people in general.
    Shawna

    • http://batman-news.com 3lemenope

      Has anyone here ever just said out loud “God, if you’re real, or whoever is up there, I just want to be right with you?”

      I tried this when I was very young. Because, why not?

      No dice.

      • Shawna Russell

        Really, without being pushy can I ask if you are 100% sure God didn’t reply? A lot of people believe God to only speak to them thru some divine supernatural here comes God on a cloud type deal, but I have learned first hand He will use any method He can to get your attention we just don’t always choose to notice. How I did it was after I asked the question, I literally starting saying God, God, God, you there, God, God, God, hey God, God hello, God, hi how ya doing, hey God, God…………. not joking. Bottom line DO NOT GIVE UP. I vow to you He is real and He loves us all equal – trust me my background would scare a criminal – not a sin in the bible I HAVEN’T COMMITTED. I hear from God all the time now, if nothing more than Him saying He loves me. The harder you try to reach God, the closer He is going to come to you and when He does your going TO TRIP OUT. It’s the most surreal thing ever to speak to GOD. Like it’s GOD – He’s super cool and loving and He don’t play meaning your life is going to change for the better with Him in it (and Jesus, which btw is truly the only way to get to Heaven. Its not a lie and once you understand just how much God did by giving us Jesus – you will have a whole new look on things I promise.) Just trust me, it’ll be the best thing that ever happens to you.
        Just don’t stop trying – don’t say something one time. A sure fire way to get God’s attention right away is to just accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Than start saying God over and over again, He will answer you in time.
        Shawna

        • http://batman-news.com 3lemenope

          Really, without being pushy can I ask if you are 100% sure God didn’t reply?

          Yup.

          Let me put in this way; either there is no god, there is a god but he didn’t bother to respond, or there is a god and he responded but did so in a way that was embarrassingly ineffective as communication.

          In exactly that order of probability.

          • Shawna Russell

            Just keep trying please, I know your thinking hey lady enough but it kills me to know that I KNOW there is a God who wants a relationship with us. Just don’t stop trying – it’s worth it. If it were me I would just start screaming at God if you have to – haha, bottom line, I’m telling you He’s real.

            • http://rolltodisbelieve.wordpress.com/ Captain Cassidy

              I can’t speak for her, but I can say for myself that I’m done trying. I think I’ve done more than enough. If one has to half-believe the ritual before one can believe the ritual, that’s a pretty stupid ritual. Doing it over and over again just because some bright-eyed Christian is convinced that it works (on the basis of no objective evidence at all) is the act of a desperate prey animal, not of a thinking human being. I bet you send a lot of chain forwards and Facebook shares because “who knows, it just might work.”

              Pony up your evidence–objective and real evidence only please, not the kind Christians usually give when asked that depends entirely on “a certain point of view”–and we’ll revisit the magic incantation again. Until then, I’m not talking to the ceiling again.

              • Shawna Russell

                Dude, simmer down a little. I’d hate to see what you did if someone you knew said they won the lottery – you punch them in the face??????
                I seriously don’t get your hostility and you truly have NO IDEA who I am or where I came from so don’t lump me into some bubble wrapped person who follows the herd.
                I’m not trying to sell you religion – don’t give a crap about religion – just thought knowing there really is a God might be kinda cool for some is all.
                Either way seriously don’t stress so much, it’s all good.

                • http://rolltodisbelieve.wordpress.com/ Captain Cassidy

                  See above response: you are actually selling your religion. It is intellectually dishonest of you to claim anything else. That is exactly what you are doing: you want people to say your magic spell so they will believe your god is real like you do. And you are questioning people’s integrity when they inform you that they already performed your magic spell and got no result at all and that they do not believe things on the basis you present. And now that you got well and truly called out, you have to attack. Way to follow the herd, there, Christian. In your reaction you are no different than a thousand thousand bubblegum Christians just like you.

                • Shawna Russell

                  Alrighty you win. Sorry I insulted you.

                • http://rolltodisbelieve.wordpress.com/ Captain Cassidy

                  Apology accepted. Thank you for understanding.

            • Gaiuse Strome

              You sound lonely.

          • Shawna Russell

            Another way is praying to God and ended it with in Jesus name. God ALWAYS hears prayers, just start praying something like “God please let me know your real, in Jesus name.” Simple as that – again it can’t hurt to just get your ducks in row just in case…

            • Gaiuse Strome

              Does god have ears? Like, actual ears?

            • http://batman-news.com 3lemenope

              If the name matters, in what language’s rendering of the name should I use?

              • Gaiuse Strome

                fyi, speaking of names, I always want to call you ‘antelope or ’3 menelope’

                • http://batman-news.com 3lemenope

                  You would not be the first. :)

              • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

                Ia, ia, Cthulhu f’taghn!

                Use that one.

                • Shawna Russell

                  So I can just call you Frank and you’ll answer cause really what’s in a name right – doesn’t need to be correct? His name is Jesus – call Him THAT in any language that has a different name for JESUS (i.e., Yeshua) but don’t substitute another religions false belief in who God is by saying Jesus and say Allah are the same thing.
                  I also get there are 1000 different (false) gods out there and it’s confusing, what I don’t get is why everyone is so against the idea of Jesus. Literally ALL you have to do to be assured of an eternity in paradise is believe He is Lord (God clearly says, it’s ME, I am Jesus – otherwise it would be blasphemy and worship of a false god). THATS IT – NOTHING ELSE. Why are people so against this and want to follow other false religions where you have to work so hard at getting to heaven (which you won’t go to Heaven, you choose to worship a false god – you can’t be expected to go to someone place wonderful when you die – the false god isn’t a god and can’t protect your soul for all eternity) or choose to just not believe in a God (which why would we live for 80 years and then just go away, that’s it no afterlife – nothing cause God doesn’t exist?)
                  Why are Christians so hated? (besides how some of the people act – I get that okay. People can be a-holes no matter what they believe, just life.)
                  And how much more proof does a person need since people keep saying SHOW ME EVIDENCE AND PROOF. Walk outside already and look around, I’m NOT buying the random act of some atom exploding JUST PERFECTLY or that it’s just a pure miracle of science an egg and a sperm produce A FREAKING HUMAN BEING or when someone is instantly cured from a disease or that our air stays just the right consistency not to turn into carbon monoxide and that the earth spins at just the right rotation to maintain gravity (if I’m not saying the above in the right scientific terms just get my drift, yes science can EXPLAIN it but something is holding it together and something had to have put it here), where did all the stars come from and how are they so perfectly lined up – to they point they can guide you in the night sky and don’t even get me started on the spirit realm WHICH JESUS HIMSELF SAVED ME FROM (spirit realm is insane and extremely scary I messed up and went into the occult and learned more than I could ever want to learn about evil, even had real life sorcery abilities, could move the wind and rain around, made an actual cloud once, could project my voice onto like the radio and change the person singing to my voice and much more – there is an ENTIRE world of insanely smart, fully thinking and speaking spirits that walk this world unseen yet sadly I acquired to ability to SEE and HEAR them ALL OF THEM) – bottom line on spirits is there is always a counter to something – I saw evil and I saw Jesus save me. There is just too much unexplained stuff in this world to say it’s random or mathematical yet its so much easier to believe we used to be monkeys than it is to have a little faith that there is a one true God – please that’s insanity.
                  Can someone at least explain any of the above to me?

              • Shawna Russell

                Not sure what your asking, sorry.

                • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

                  You said you have to say Jesus. But if God is universal, it shouldn’t matter which name we use- Adonai, Jesus, Allah, Vishnu, etc. And if the name does matter, what language should Jesus’s name be in? His name was Yeshua ben Yosef in the original, or should we use the Spanish pronunciation, or what?

                • Shawna Russell

                  Jesus in any language your prefer to say it in, as long as it’s Jesus and not Allah or Vishnu (not sure who that is). Not the same as God.

                • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

                  Why does it have to be Jesus? And if it has to be Jesus, why does the language not matter?

                  That doesn’t make any sense. Either the name matters or it doesn’t.

                  BTW, Vishnu is “the Supreme God of Vaishnavism, one of the three main sects of Hinduism and Purushottama or Supreme Purusha in ancient sacred texts like the Bhagavad Gita. Vishnu is also known as Narayana and Hari. The Vishnu Sahasranama declares Vishnu as Paramatman (supreme soul) and Parameshwara (supreme God). It describes Vishnu as the all-pervading essence of all beings, the master of—and beyond—the past, present and future, the creator and destroyer of all existences, one who supports, preserves, sustains and governs the universe and originates and develops all elements within.”
                  -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vishnu

                • Shawna Russell

                  See above post for answer to this, I posted in the wrong spot

                • http://batman-news.com 3lemenope

                  Feminerd and marshmallow covered it. If the name matters, why does it matter? How does it matter? If it matters, then it means there’s a right way and a wrong way to do it, or at least more and less effective ways. If that’s the case, how is a person to know which are the ways it is likely to work? I tend to think that if there is a god that is worth talking with, that god wouldn’t be hung up on the little details. But then again, I’ve tried the generic, all-purpose “is anyone out there?” to no effect, so your advice doesn’t seem to be good advice, insofar as it has already been tried and has failed.

            • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

              If there is a deity, the chance it’s the Christian one is really freaking small if we just did a straight probability test (there’s been thousands of gods over human history, so the chance a deity is the Christian version is 1/1000s), ignoring all the logical contradictions that make the Christian god completely impossible. Wouldn’t it piss those gods off more to pray to the wrong one than to pray to none at all? You’d be completely screwing yourself by doing the wrong magic ritual.

              No thanks. Pascal’s wager is a really dumb idea.

    • http://rolltodisbelieve.wordpress.com/ Captain Cassidy

      It’s going to really suck when you finally realize that most non-believers raised in Christian societies have done exactly this and gotten no answer at all. I screamed, I prayed, I spent hours and hours on my knees and with my hands raised, I wept hot blinding tears… and nothing. I spent years chasing that dragon… and nothing. I did every single thing a human being could be expected to do… and nothing.

      Either that god does not exist, or that god is not able to communicate with me in any meaningful way–in order of possibility, as 3lemenope has put it so well.

      I know it’s important for you to believe that your god really loves people and wants to talk to them, and that if someone does try your magic ritual and incantation that it will succeed, but lots of people *have*… and nothing.

      I just wonder exactly what someone has to do to persuade you that they did the ritual right and didn’t get the magic effect you think they should get. I wonder how many people exactly will need to tell you that they did whatever it is you think they should do and got nothing before you realize that your delusion is very pretty but not real for anybody but you.

      • Shawna Russell

        I’m sorry it’s been like that for you and others, I wasn’t trying to insult anyone. Believe me I have suffered my share of disappointment in this area and when I finally found a way I just wanted to reassure others He is real.
        My intentions are not to be some peppy cheerleader who doesn’t live in the real world or who lives in a bubble, just sucks that after everything I went through and than found Jesus I just want others to know we aren’t alone is all.
        Its like you discovered some really great secret but nobody believes you or is too bitter by now to care.

        • http://rolltodisbelieve.wordpress.com/ Captain Cassidy

          You don’t want to be insulting? Then tell you what: when someone says they did the magic incantation you suggest and nothing happened, take their word for it and don’t keep pressing and implying they did something terribly wrong or obviously it would have done.. something. You never do make clear what, so I’m assuming it’s just a nebulous bolt from the blue or something.

          You may not be wanting to come across as a naive cheerleader in a bubble, but here we are.

          And you’d be surprised how many non-Christians aren’t “bitter” at all. Angry about being deceived and deluded for so long perhaps, if they were Christian once, but not “bitter” in the sense that they would refuse to believe something if presented actual evidence. A pity you don’t have any, so you must keep pushing this magic ritual you are convinced does… something. It’s disrespectful of you to insist that people must believe you without evidence, or that if they do not they are “bitter.” Maybe they’re just skeptical and open-minded, and refuse to swallow any old guff just because someone is very, very sure it’s true.

          • Shawna Russell

            Damn, dude whatever. I don’t even have a response to you anymore. Did you fall off the bed when you woke up this morning? What is wrong with you – why you so in my face. Seriously cut back on whatever it is your doing, your like hostile times 10.
            You also might try actually READING my posts, at no time was I insulting or demeaning, that is actual CARE you saw. I can’t stand people like you in general, you take ANYTHING anyone says and twist it into that psycho crazy I’m attacking you crap when I simply was trying to be nice, your the one in attack mode.
            God bless dude!

            • http://rolltodisbelieve.wordpress.com/ Captain Cassidy

              Way to tone troll there; I’m surprised it took you this long. I didn’t answer the way you wanted, so obviously you have to attack me personally to avoid engaging with anything I actually said. You are the one who pressed and pressed and pressed someone to say your magic spell the “right” way so they’d get the result you’re so sure they should get. You are the one who insisted that your god is “real” even though you have no evidence for thinking this way. You are the one who flat-out told people who told you they had already indulged your fantasy ritual that they clearly did something wrong because they didn’t get the result you imagine you get. You are the one who thinks that people should totally believe your fantasies on the sheer basis of you believing it very much and then gets offended when informed that things don’t work that way.

              I’m not twisting a thing. You were/are an obnoxious, insulting Christian and you got/are getting called out for it. You have no evidence for your claims and nowhere to go from here really, so you’re reduced to painting yourself as a martyr victim so you can refuse to listen to anything that contradicts your cherished self-image.

              By the way, you were actually quite insulting and demeaning in your constant demands for people to say your magic spell even when they told you they already had. You were not “nice” at all. Cheerful and perky, yes, but not “nice.” I hope one day you understand what being “nice” really looks like. Your intention is not a magic shield–you may not have wanted to be obnoxious or insulting, but here we are: instead of apologizing, though, your response is to drill down on the obnoxiousness. Very telling that when push comes to shove, you can’t walk the walk. It’s almost as if there’s no real god inside you at all, isn’t it? I forgive you though. I know it’s not a real god or a valid religion, so you can’t help but react like anybody else when a cherished delusion gets questioned. I forgive you.

            • http://rolltodisbelieve.wordpress.com/ Captain Cassidy

              BTW, the “god bless dude” is also rather insulting. You are 100% aware that I know your god is fake. You did that just to rub my nose in the fact that you think he is real and that he can (or wants to) bless anybody. It was a blatant attempt to regain superiority and feel smug. Did you feel good and smug doing that? Very loving, wasn’t it, that feeling? Zing! Look at that zinger go! Haha, blessed her anyway! Haha! Good for you.

              I forgive you anyway. I know you can’t help it, being that there’s no god inside you making you a better person. Of course you had to say something smug and hateful and divisive and mean-spirited after everything else. Way to sell your religion there! Good work! YOU WIN! (ETA: Written before the Christian apologized.)

            • Gaiuse Strome

              We neither need your care nor your condescension.


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