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	<title>Comments on: Can a (Mostly) Silent Protest Work?</title>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 01:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I&#039;m echoing many previous comments, I agree - the bingo idea is great!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I&#8217;m echoing many previous comments, I agree &#8211; the bingo idea is great!</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifurret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifurret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 00:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Jed Smock is the one I was mentioning. He comes to our campus at least once a year. My fondest memory is of him yelling &quot;GENITAL WARTS!&quot; at the top of his lungs randomly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Jed Smock is the one I was mentioning. He comes to our campus at least once a year. My fondest memory is of him yelling &#8220;GENITAL WARTS!&#8221; at the top of his lungs randomly.</p>
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		<title>By: Spurs Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spurs Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 00:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Larry, my understanding of this is that the speaker is one of those “street preachers” who obtains permission from the university to speak in public, but is not necessarily endorsed or compensated by any organization on campus.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Tom Short is affilated with my old Christian crew, Great Commission Ministries (GCM), who focus heavily on planting churches and groups on college campuses.  I don&#039;t know for a fact, but there is a good chance ISU has a GCM group that invited him.  I would surmise the &quot;evening meetings&quot; he was attending were small group meetings within the church, probably at someone&#039;s home.  

I still have a lot of great friends in GCM churches, though of course, I have &quot;fallen away&quot; from their belief system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Larry, my understanding of this is that the speaker is one of those “street preachers” who obtains permission from the university to speak in public, but is not necessarily endorsed or compensated by any organization on campus.</p></blockquote>
<p>Tom Short is affilated with my old Christian crew, Great Commission Ministries (GCM), who focus heavily on planting churches and groups on college campuses.  I don&#8217;t know for a fact, but there is a good chance ISU has a GCM group that invited him.  I would surmise the &#8220;evening meetings&#8221; he was attending were small group meetings within the church, probably at someone&#8217;s home.  </p>
<p>I still have a lot of great friends in GCM churches, though of course, I have &#8220;fallen away&#8221; from their belief system.</p>
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		<title>By: zoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>zoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 00:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno about this guy, but I think he&#039;s like David D.G. says.  We had/have a guy like this at the school I attended and he would stand for hours on the &quot;free-speech lawn&quot; at least once a week screaming at everybody about all the things he assumed they were doing wrong.  The people that engaged him mostly appeared to be making fun of him and/or disagreeing with him.  I wonder how something like this would go there (except there&#039;s no wondering about whether it would affect him at all, unfortunately).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno about this guy, but I think he&#8217;s like David D.G. says.  We had/have a guy like this at the school I attended and he would stand for hours on the &#8220;free-speech lawn&#8221; at least once a week screaming at everybody about all the things he assumed they were doing wrong.  The people that engaged him mostly appeared to be making fun of him and/or disagreeing with him.  I wonder how something like this would go there (except there&#8217;s no wondering about whether it would affect him at all, unfortunately).</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Huffman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Huffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David...agreed. I thought he was speaking as an invited guest of some club, organization or the school. If he is just a street preacher who is rambling on and on and has not formally been invited, then that is an entirely different story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David&#8230;agreed. I thought he was speaking as an invited guest of some club, organization or the school. If he is just a street preacher who is rambling on and on and has not formally been invited, then that is an entirely different story.</p>
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		<title>By: David D.G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David D.G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry Huffman wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I guess maybe I am not understanding the situation properly. This guy was a speaker, invited by some campus group to speak? If that is the case…would it not always be proper to be silent and refrain from audible protests while the guy is actually speaking? Would we not want and expect the same thing for an atheist speaker?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Larry, my understanding of this is that the speaker is one of those &quot;street preachers&quot; who obtains permission from the university to speak in public, but is not necessarily endorsed or compensated by any organization on campus.  We had such a preacher at my college (&quot;Brother Jed&quot; Smock, possibly the same Rev. Jed that Jennifurret mentioned), and his open-air sermons by the student union building always drew a crowd of hecklers.  My understanding is that such people gain access to the school grounds through Free Speech and Free Assembly rights, but are generally missionaries from some organization outside of the school, rather than guests of school organizations.

That said, you have a point about courtesy for someone speaking, but it&#039;s a little hard to let someone rail on in public for hours without challenging &lt;em&gt;anything&lt;/em&gt; he says, especially when much of it is laughable and/or offensive.  There is no orderly &quot;question and answer&quot; session at which to raise issues; the street preacher spends his entire allotted time preaching.


~David D.G.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry Huffman wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>I guess maybe I am not understanding the situation properly. This guy was a speaker, invited by some campus group to speak? If that is the case…would it not always be proper to be silent and refrain from audible protests while the guy is actually speaking? Would we not want and expect the same thing for an atheist speaker?</p></blockquote>
<p>Larry, my understanding of this is that the speaker is one of those &#8220;street preachers&#8221; who obtains permission from the university to speak in public, but is not necessarily endorsed or compensated by any organization on campus.  We had such a preacher at my college (&#8220;Brother Jed&#8221; Smock, possibly the same Rev. Jed that Jennifurret mentioned), and his open-air sermons by the student union building always drew a crowd of hecklers.  My understanding is that such people gain access to the school grounds through Free Speech and Free Assembly rights, but are generally missionaries from some organization outside of the school, rather than guests of school organizations.</p>
<p>That said, you have a point about courtesy for someone speaking, but it&#8217;s a little hard to let someone rail on in public for hours without challenging <em>anything</em> he says, especially when much of it is laughable and/or offensive.  There is no orderly &#8220;question and answer&#8221; session at which to raise issues; the street preacher spends his entire allotted time preaching.</p>
<p>~David D.G.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was at ISU for Tom Short&#039;s preaching.  The hundreds of students were not all protesters.  There was a mix of Christians, atheists, LGBT, and many other students.  I&#039;m sure he was aware there was a protest going on.  And actually, a large number of people asked him serious questions who were skeptical of his beliefs.  So yes, it there was a mostly silent protest and a long Q &amp; A discussion, with preaching in between.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at ISU for Tom Short&#8217;s preaching.  The hundreds of students were not all protesters.  There was a mix of Christians, atheists, LGBT, and many other students.  I&#8217;m sure he was aware there was a protest going on.  And actually, a large number of people asked him serious questions who were skeptical of his beliefs.  So yes, it there was a mostly silent protest and a long Q &amp; A discussion, with preaching in between.</p>
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		<title>By: bigjohn756</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigjohn756</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the bingo card is a great idea.  Except instead of giving candy, award helium balloons with your group&#039;s logo or initials on them. Having your bingo people scattered around in the crowd might add some impact, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the bingo card is a great idea.  Except instead of giving candy, award helium balloons with your group&#8217;s logo or initials on them. Having your bingo people scattered around in the crowd might add some impact, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Christina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We had one of these guys at my college campus.  He used to rant about the sinfulness of rock music.  A local band recorded him and his decrying of &quot;rock n roll music&quot; ended up opening one of their CDs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had one of these guys at my college campus.  He used to rant about the sinfulness of rock music.  A local band recorded him and his decrying of &#8220;rock n roll music&#8221; ended up opening one of their CDs.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Huffman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Huffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do love the bingo card idea...but only for people who have already proven to be repetetive, etc.

I guess maybe I am not understanding the situation properly. This guy was a speaker, invited by some campus group to speak? If that is the case...would it not always be proper to be silent and refrain from audible protests while the guy is actually speaking? Would we not want and expect the same thing for an atheist speaker?

I would support protesting outside the speaker&#039;s venue...protesting and openly debating the guy afterwards...etc. But during...I would side on respectfully allowing him to finish (since a campus group has paid money or taken the time to set this up).

And, if it is true that this guy does more to keep people away from christianity...then it would be in an atheist&#039;s best interest to shut up and let him speak.

Whenever I see someone protest or speak over someone who is at a podium presenting...I think it makes the protester look rude and out of line...all of the time...regardless what side of an issue they are on. Much better to be respectful and allow them to finish. There is a time to protest and a time to be respectful of other people...and their ideology should not alter when those times are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do love the bingo card idea&#8230;but only for people who have already proven to be repetetive, etc.</p>
<p>I guess maybe I am not understanding the situation properly. This guy was a speaker, invited by some campus group to speak? If that is the case&#8230;would it not always be proper to be silent and refrain from audible protests while the guy is actually speaking? Would we not want and expect the same thing for an atheist speaker?</p>
<p>I would support protesting outside the speaker&#8217;s venue&#8230;protesting and openly debating the guy afterwards&#8230;etc. But during&#8230;I would side on respectfully allowing him to finish (since a campus group has paid money or taken the time to set this up).</p>
<p>And, if it is true that this guy does more to keep people away from christianity&#8230;then it would be in an atheist&#8217;s best interest to shut up and let him speak.</p>
<p>Whenever I see someone protest or speak over someone who is at a podium presenting&#8230;I think it makes the protester look rude and out of line&#8230;all of the time&#8230;regardless what side of an issue they are on. Much better to be respectful and allow them to finish. There is a time to protest and a time to be respectful of other people&#8230;and their ideology should not alter when those times are.</p>
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