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	<title>Comments on: Is This Christian Chaplain Issuing a Death Threat?</title>
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		<title>By: God and Country &#187; The MRFF, Victory, and Defeat</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/04/26/is-this-christian-chaplain-issuing-a-death-threat/#comment-460786</link>
		<dc:creator>God and Country &#187; The MRFF, Victory, and Defeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 08:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mike Tea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Tea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is only one thing worse than an atheist and that is an American atheist. You people are screaming and then some. You insist on freedom of speech and then want everyone with a religious viewpoint to SHUT YOUR FACE!

You insist that if you have to be religious then at least have some integrity about it and then take one example of a man as screaming as you are and use him as a stick to beat the rest of us. Pitiful, truly pitiful.

Of course it is not a death threat any more than your determination to shut the mouth of every believer is an assault on freedom of speech - Oh, hang on. On that basis it has to be a death threat. I take it all back. You and he are singing from the same hymn sheet - if you will pardon the pun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is only one thing worse than an atheist and that is an American atheist. You people are screaming and then some. You insist on freedom of speech and then want everyone with a religious viewpoint to SHUT YOUR FACE!</p>
<p>You insist that if you have to be religious then at least have some integrity about it and then take one example of a man as screaming as you are and use him as a stick to beat the rest of us. Pitiful, truly pitiful.</p>
<p>Of course it is not a death threat any more than your determination to shut the mouth of every believer is an assault on freedom of speech &#8211; Oh, hang on. On that basis it has to be a death threat. I take it all back. You and he are singing from the same hymn sheet &#8211; if you will pardon the pun.</p>
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		<title>By: Doreen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s horrible.

The unthinkable in a similar situation in politics happened a while back at a U.U. Church in TN. A man who was a fan of conservative commentators in the media took a few remarks in those commentators&#039; books a little too seriously and shot up a liberal church because shooting the people who voted liberals into office was the next best thing to shooting liberal politicians.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_D._Adkisson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s horrible.</p>
<p>The unthinkable in a similar situation in politics happened a while back at a U.U. Church in TN. A man who was a fan of conservative commentators in the media took a few remarks in those commentators&#8217; books a little too seriously and shot up a liberal church because shooting the people who voted liberals into office was the next best thing to shooting liberal politicians.</p>
<p>See: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_D._Adkisson" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_D._Adkisson</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gustavo Keener</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gustavo Keener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 03:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Klingenschmitt&quot; Is that German for &quot;dumbass&quot;?

Rhymes with &quot;clingy shit,&quot; which kind of describes the way Klingenschmitt is clinging to his former title.

Sorry, I couldn&#039;t help it.  (Please forgive me, all reasonable Klingenschmitts.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Klingenschmitt&#8221; Is that German for &#8220;dumbass&#8221;?</p>
<p>Rhymes with &#8220;clingy shit,&#8221; which kind of describes the way Klingenschmitt is clinging to his former title.</p>
<p>Sorry, I couldn&#8217;t help it.  (Please forgive me, all reasonable Klingenschmitts.)</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 01:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of you tell him that I, god, said &#039;screw him&#039;. I&#039;m not HIS servant, he&#039;s MINE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of you tell him that I, god, said &#8216;screw him&#8217;. I&#8217;m not HIS servant, he&#8217;s MINE.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Westley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Westley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 01:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Klingenschmitt sometimes posts to the religionlaw mailing list:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://lists.ucla.edu/pipermail/religionlaw/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://lists.ucla.edu/pipermail/religionlaw/&lt;/a&gt;

Some religious right types from the ACLJ post there, but also strong church &amp; state separationists like Marci Hamilton.

Lots of interesting C&amp;S cases get discussed there first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Klingenschmitt sometimes posts to the religionlaw mailing list:<br />
<a href="http://lists.ucla.edu/pipermail/religionlaw/" rel="nofollow">http://lists.ucla.edu/pipermail/religionlaw/</a></p>
<p>Some religious right types from the ACLJ post there, but also strong church &amp; state separationists like Marci Hamilton.</p>
<p>Lots of interesting C&amp;S cases get discussed there first.</p>
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		<title>By: Eliza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eliza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 01:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prayers which are curses may sound odd to our ears (including to Christians like Jeff), but they&#039;re part of the Bible.  It&#039;s just that they don&#039;t get much airing these days - considered shameful or something, I guess.   

&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imprecatory_Psalms&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s &lt;/a&gt; a page on Imprecatory Psalms; the bottom line wrt Christianity is quoted here:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Imprecatory Psalms...are those which invoke judgement, calamity, or curses, upon one&#039;s enemies or those perceived as the enemies of God. Major Imprecatory Psalms include Psalm 69 and Psalm 109, while Psalms 5, 6, 11, 12, 35, 37, 40, 52, 54, 56, 58, 69, 79, 83, 137, 139, and 143 are also considered imprecatory.... As a sample, Psalm 69:24 states toward God, &quot;Pour out Your indignation on them, and let Your burning anger overtake them&quot;.

...

The New Testament contains passages which quote Imprecatory Psalms. Jesus of Nazareth is shown quoting from them in Matthew 27:24, John 15:25, and John 2:17, while Paul the Apostle quotes from Psalm 69 in the Epistle to the Romans 11:9-10 and 15:3.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Heck, if they&#039;re good enough for Jesus and Paul, why shouldn&#039;t Chappy Klingenschmitt use them??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prayers which are curses may sound odd to our ears (including to Christians like Jeff), but they&#8217;re part of the Bible.  It&#8217;s just that they don&#8217;t get much airing these days &#8211; considered shameful or something, I guess.   </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imprecatory_Psalms" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s </a> a page on Imprecatory Psalms; the bottom line wrt Christianity is quoted here:</p>
<blockquote><p>Imprecatory Psalms&#8230;are those which invoke judgement, calamity, or curses, upon one&#8217;s enemies or those perceived as the enemies of God. Major Imprecatory Psalms include Psalm 69 and Psalm 109, while Psalms 5, 6, 11, 12, 35, 37, 40, 52, 54, 56, 58, 69, 79, 83, 137, 139, and 143 are also considered imprecatory&#8230;. As a sample, Psalm 69:24 states toward God, &#8220;Pour out Your indignation on them, and let Your burning anger overtake them&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>The New Testament contains passages which quote Imprecatory Psalms. Jesus of Nazareth is shown quoting from them in Matthew 27:24, John 15:25, and John 2:17, while Paul the Apostle quotes from Psalm 69 in the Epistle to the Romans 11:9-10 and 15:3.</p></blockquote>
<p>Heck, if they&#8217;re good enough for Jesus and Paul, why shouldn&#8217;t Chappy Klingenschmitt use them??</p>
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		<title>By: Wes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Richard T Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 4:29 am

You might sensibly ask if he behaves like this now, what was he like when he was in the navy as a practising chaplain?&lt;/blockquote&gt;


A guy named Norm Holcomb, who comments over at Ed Brayton&#039;s blog, used to be this guy&#039;s supervisor.  According to Holcomb, Klingenschmitt has always been insane:

&lt;blockquote&gt;

Perhaps you are getting a clear picture of what I had to deal with for 2 years as this guy&#039;s supervisor. He was like a &quot;bull in a china shop&quot; as he created adversarial relationships throughout the command. I had never seen anyone become &quot;persona non grata&quot; on such an immediate and grand scale. And yet, recognizing that he was inexperienced and had a woefully inadequate theological education, I tried to mentor him and assume some responsibility for his development. All my efforts were frustrated by his idiotic actions at practically every level. There was no doubt in my mind that I was dealing with a certain level of certifiable mental and psychological pathology but I refrained from recommending psychological evaluation because our self-anointed prophet, priest, messiah and king would have declared our attempts to help him as &quot;reprisals&quot; against him.
I am not surprised by anything that he does or says. Each sick action merely confirms my initial assessment that this person is in serious need of help.

Posted by: Norm Holcomb, CAPT, CHC, USN (Ret) &#124; April 27, 2009 11:07 AM
http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2009/04/klingenschmitt_prays_for_death.php#comment-1593436&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s not surprising at all that people who know this guy think he must have a psychological disorder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Richard T Says:<br />
April 27th, 2009 at 4:29 am</p>
<p>You might sensibly ask if he behaves like this now, what was he like when he was in the navy as a practising chaplain?</p></blockquote>
<p>A guy named Norm Holcomb, who comments over at Ed Brayton&#8217;s blog, used to be this guy&#8217;s supervisor.  According to Holcomb, Klingenschmitt has always been insane:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Perhaps you are getting a clear picture of what I had to deal with for 2 years as this guy&#8217;s supervisor. He was like a &#8220;bull in a china shop&#8221; as he created adversarial relationships throughout the command. I had never seen anyone become &#8220;persona non grata&#8221; on such an immediate and grand scale. And yet, recognizing that he was inexperienced and had a woefully inadequate theological education, I tried to mentor him and assume some responsibility for his development. All my efforts were frustrated by his idiotic actions at practically every level. There was no doubt in my mind that I was dealing with a certain level of certifiable mental and psychological pathology but I refrained from recommending psychological evaluation because our self-anointed prophet, priest, messiah and king would have declared our attempts to help him as &#8220;reprisals&#8221; against him.<br />
I am not surprised by anything that he does or says. Each sick action merely confirms my initial assessment that this person is in serious need of help.</p>
<p>Posted by: Norm Holcomb, CAPT, CHC, USN (Ret) | April 27, 2009 11:07 AM<br />
<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2009/04/klingenschmitt_prays_for_death.php#comment-1593436" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2009/04/klingenschmitt_prays_for_death.php#comment-1593436</a></p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s not surprising at all that people who know this guy think he must have a psychological disorder.</p>
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		<title>By: AnonyMouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnonyMouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lol&#039;d pretty hard at this.  I find it absolutely hilarious when one of these guys resorts to King James English when he&#039;s...

...what would you call that...

...cursing his enemies?

&quot;Let their days be few, and replace them with Godly people. Plunder their fields, and seize their assets. Cut off their descendants, and remember their sins...&quot;

That sounds like a curse to me.  A true Christian would wish them a long and happy life and eventual salvation with God.

Anyway, it gets terribly funny when they go off on one of their Biblical tangents.  The fellows down at FoC do this quite a bit.  &quot;Help us not to bite and devour one another, O Lord...&quot;  Great stuff.  And the best part?  The material never changes.  They criticise the Catholic Church for &quot;vain repetitions&quot;, yet I can recite one of their prayers by heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lol&#8217;d pretty hard at this.  I find it absolutely hilarious when one of these guys resorts to King James English when he&#8217;s&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;what would you call that&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;cursing his enemies?</p>
<p>&#8220;Let their days be few, and replace them with Godly people. Plunder their fields, and seize their assets. Cut off their descendants, and remember their sins&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>That sounds like a curse to me.  A true Christian would wish them a long and happy life and eventual salvation with God.</p>
<p>Anyway, it gets terribly funny when they go off on one of their Biblical tangents.  The fellows down at FoC do this quite a bit.  &#8220;Help us not to bite and devour one another, O Lord&#8230;&#8221;  Great stuff.  And the best part?  The material never changes.  They criticise the Catholic Church for &#8220;vain repetitions&#8221;, yet I can recite one of their prayers by heart.</p>
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		<title>By: Polly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Polly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 14:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan,

&lt;blockquote&gt;PS: Hemant, get some Cyrillic character support on this blog!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Da, saglassen. :)

Kto-nibud yeshyo?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan,</p>
<blockquote><p>PS: Hemant, get some Cyrillic character support on this blog!</p></blockquote>
<p>Da, saglassen. <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Kto-nibud yeshyo?</p>
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