Comments on: Nemenhah Parents Willing to Let Son Die Rather Than Abandon Religious Beliefs

By: Lawrence V

Lawrence V — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:50:07 +0000

It helps to think of medical and court system as representing religious view perhaps American Civil Religion is appropriate term. Atheists are part of this belief system as is clear from this website.

If individuals spiritual/religious views are in conflict, as parents of children, they have no rights in this setting.

“Daniel Hauser has Hodgkin’s lymphoma.” This is medical term and subject to medical debate.”

Mark 5.9And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.” What’s your diagnosis? What is the true identity of your self? What is the true identity of your affliction? The medical system treats symptoms or end results. Hodgkin’s is a systemic immune function disease. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/05/26/Powerful-Breakthrough-Beats-Cancer-and-AutoImmune-Diseases.aspx
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17761642?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
” New Ulm, Minn. — After a week in California the mother and son returned home; they had intended to go to Mexico for alternative medical treatment. The parents appeared at a custody hearing Tuesday afternoon and was allowed to keep custody of the boy.

Brown County Attorney Jim Olson said on Monday the family was still opposed to treating the boy’s cancer with chemo.
Larger view
Arriving at the courthouse

“The Hausers were at Children’s Hospital over Memorial Day,” Olson said. “Danny had some tests at the hospital. “They communicated to one of Brown County’s social workers that they were not going to have him undergo chemo. There was some epiphany that they had changed their minds. They told the judge that they were going to be compliant.”

Jesus crossed boundary to Gentile territory. Gadarene demoniac could not be bound by local chains. You cannot force medical compliance or adherence. Google those terms.

Gadarene/Daniel had been separated from his family. His healing by Jesus represented economic threat to community. See Swine Flu–Pork prices are down.

“Their attitude has been — and I am assuming remains — that chemo is poison. So I felt that with that underlying attitude, that certainly wasn’t going to be beneficial to Danny in trying to convince him to undergo chemotherapy.” I think that every medical doctor would consider chemo poison.

“Daniel Hauser’s tumor has grown substantially according to medical records released by the Brown County Court. A CT scan conducted on Monday shows the tumor in his chest is now larger than it was in January, when he was first diagnosed. Brown County Attorney Jim Olson said the tumor is pressing against Daniel’s thorax.”

According to naturopathy, which I do not practice, could this be a sign of healing. Hodgkin’s is actually an immune system failure and the tumors are localized appearance of systemic illness. His is nodular sclerosing which means “hard bumps”–sounds demonic when not in Greek tongue. See Gadarene from Decapolis above.

According to medical approach, which is statistical and not individual, Daniel has 5% survival chance without therapy. In this case treatment would be unnecessary and involve 100% of patients. 10% of treated will die anyway. At least some of these would have been in group that would have gotten better without any treatment. What is total cost of treating !00%? Who is expected to pay for it?

Who should get to decide? The medical and legal system have economic interests in their world view/religion being upheld.

By: GullWatcher

GullWatcher — Tue, 26 May 2009 09:45:39 +0000

@ohreally

I personally know 3 survivors using this method

Oh, puhleeze! If any alternative treatment has been completely debunked, it’s laetrile for cancer. Anyone who is still hawking it to scared, desperate people with cancer at this late date is either stupidly irresponsible, after their money, or evil.

By: flubby

flubby — Tue, 26 May 2009 01:55:50 +0000

The court shouldn’t interfere with natural selection. The mother was clearly gunning for a Darwin Award.

By: Ohreally

Ohreally — Sat, 23 May 2009 16:11:17 +0000

Carl said:

The question I have is what effect the forcing of medical treatment will have on the boy. Clearly he has been indoctrinated into crazy beliefs, and so probably looks forward to heaven,

This is BS… you are making assumptions and propagating them as truth of which you have no monopoly. There is definitely a media spin on this.

I understand you question religion as do it… but do not become arrogant that is when you stop learning.

Great video: zeitgeist Goggle video

and for Cancer… check out “world without cancer” G. Edward Griffin.

I personally know 3 survivors using this method.

By: Jonny

Jonny — Fri, 22 May 2009 17:35:33 +0000

Please be informed that the Hauser family and their connection with the
Nemenheh (spelling?) movement is not Native American and Native
Americans have no connection with this family. The news keeps implying
that this family is following Native traditions and using native herbs.

They have also used the word “sweat lodge” in one of the news articles
that I read. I would hope that the general public knows that we as
native people have no ties to them, no native spiritual people are
involved with them and by all means, as Native people, we do not condone

any of their actions. They are using us and we want to let everyone
know that we object. Please don’t let them give us a bad name.

These are new age people and have no link to our Native American
communities.

We do pray, however, that this young boy who has cancer gets the medical

help that he needs to survive.

By: Christian

Christian — Fri, 22 May 2009 07:47:13 +0000

This issue has nothing to do with religion. Danial went for chemo, he found it painful and i made him more sick so he did not want to go. Not wanting to have their son be in any more pain, they did not make him go. It’s that simple. It may not be the right choice, but it is not one based on religion. You atheists exploit anything you can to bash religion and this is just the latest example. You like to claim religious people are deluded, brainwashed, etc. These are but fallacious, untenable arguments based on your anti-religion bigotry. Oh and did you know one of your more famous atheist intellectuals, Bill Maher, refuses “western medicine?” Among other things, he claims aspirin is lethal and polio has not been eradicated and advised David Letterman not to take his medication after he had undergone heart bypass surgery. Oh but you know only religious people can be deluded.

By: Nazonee

Nazonee — Fri, 22 May 2009 02:57:37 +0000

Greystone, I too am part Native American but my beliefs in the benefits of Native American Medicine does not have anything to do with that. I for the most part do believe this whole family in search of a “better” treatment of their ill child has been led down the path by Nemenhah but…I am still a firm believer in the benfits of the true traditional medicine…that which was used PRIOR to big business being involved.
Think about all the designer drugs and the damage they do. One to grow hair on men that women should never even touch if they plan to become pregnant in the future. One to make you stop urinating on yourself when the bladder finally has gotten tired, that affects the liver and your eye sight. We need to go back to the basics. Native Americans used natural resources to treat illness. I do not think that life expectancy was ever supposed to be into the 100 yr range. Due to “modern medicine” we live longer causing over crowding of the planet along with the rampant use of resources. We have created a mess here. As far as this family is concerned the government needs to say out of it! Their child, their life, and their guilt or success. It should be left up to them.

By: greystone

greystone — Thu, 21 May 2009 18:36:48 +0000

I think the confusing issues to all of this are
1: There is a 13 year old boy living in Minnesota who is functionally illiterate, even though he was apparently home schooled by his Mother.
2: This is a 13 year old boy who is considered a “Medicine Man and Elder” of his religious affiliation even though he has been a member of this for less than 1 year.
3: People are feeling sorry for this family even though before their supposed epiphany they were fully behind their Family Doctor and diagnosis prior to the “conversion”. What real religion requires a $250.00 initial donation in order to join the “”Church”" I am part Native American and I do not support this families thought patterns. They are only ensuring the death of their son.

By: Nazonee

Nazonee — Thu, 21 May 2009 15:49:29 +0000

Wow, has any ONE of you ever been the product of a medical mistake? I have. I was given HEP C tainted blood in the late 80′s. By the middle 90′s was VERY ill. I was told to get my life in order. Yeap, 3 young kids at home and I need to make decisions for them. Wow, and stress exasperates the disease, according to the doctor. I tried the medical way and just got worse and worse. At one point some radical hospital employee thought it would be better for my children to be placed in foster care as I was too ill to care for them. According to her. Thankfully, the state didn’t agree with her. I stopped ALL MEDICAL treatment after that. I started rsearching Native American Healing and then incorporated it into my life. After a long and arduous 4 years, I had gone for my bi-annual blood draw and was told I had antibodies. The presence of them means that I AM CURED of the disease. I would indeed use the TRUE traditional treatments (Native American) from this point on in the face of illness. This is not a religious stance this is a commmon sense one.

By: Heartbroken Mom

Heartbroken Mom — Thu, 21 May 2009 03:06:04 +0000

Have you held your child as she suffered through 7 months of chemotherapy treatment? Have you ever been told that the survival rate for your beautiful daughter was 86%? We did all of the right things, all of the treatment protocols. Our precious little girl lost her ability to eat, to walk, to stand and she lost her sight. She lost everything and suffered greatly. I know. I was there every second of every procedure.
Do you really think that you have the right to judge anyone with your limited understanding of the reality of pediatric cancer, and what chemotherapy does and does not do? The toxicity almost killed my daughter.
Walk a mile. Walk a minute in the heartache of a mom whose child has cancer.
Statistics are only numbers.
I have a name. A face. A love greater than this world can hold.
My daughter died despite all the medicine and the science. She suffered. It is heartbreaking.