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	<title>Comments on: South Carolina Pastafarians in the News</title>
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	<description>by Hemant Mehta</description>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/05/13/south-carolina-pastafarians-in-the-news/#comment-321866</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 03:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a disturbing theme in this piece that people who are Christian are moral and those who are not Christian are not moral. 

Christianity has no exclusive license on morality. There are MANY religions and moral systems that help provide pro-social values. 

Many non-Christian societies flourish in all areas of human endeavor, arts, science, philosophy and spirituality. To imply that they do not because they are not Christian is the height of arrogance and ignorance. 

Historically, much of western advancement came from the influences of peoples from the near and far east, which includes China, India, Japan, Arabia... all of which are non-Christian. Were these powerful and in many ways advanced societies lacking in a moral center? Was their population in chaos?

What pro-social values does modern Christianity provide? Exclusion of gays, homophobia, blockage of equal rights under the law based on hysteria and innuendo, condemnation of others who do not agree, attacks on scientific reasoning, disruption of society, black-white thinking, and blatant attempts to force their beliefs into law and create a totalitarian state where all must adhere to &quot;Christian principles.&quot; It cannot possibly survive because it is based on a destructive construct.

I believe that Christian churches are a propaganda machine for Christianity, plain and simple. Thanks to their political activism, they have reduced their religion to a political movement based on exclusion, guilt, shame and condemnation. This naturally makes people start to question them and their beliefs.

Psychologically, Christianity is negative. It teaches that people have no inherent goodness or morality and no value UNLESS they believe in a certain religious system and are &quot;saved&quot;. This completely denies the ability of human beings to achieve, reducing them to puppets whose strings must be pulled. It rejects independent thinking, self improvement, achievement and ultimately personal responsibility.  

Their own moral system is designed to collapse in on itself and destroy morality. Since &quot;I believe, therefore I am saved.&quot; equates to &quot;It doesn&#039;t matter WHAT I do as long as I believe, I am saved.&quot; 

If one is not accountable for ones actions, as the &quot;I am saved approach&quot; implies, then one can do just about anything and get away with it. Try pulling that in a court of law &quot;I believe in the Constitution, therefore, I am not responsible for any crimes I have committed.&quot;


The decline in Christianity in the United States is a direct result of their teachings. They simply went over the top too many times. Even self described Christians are leaving Christian Churches. 

Spirituality and morality, social mores and ethics are diverse. Christianity seeks to exclude, not include. Of course, they will eventually lose followers, how could they not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a disturbing theme in this piece that people who are Christian are moral and those who are not Christian are not moral. </p>
<p>Christianity has no exclusive license on morality. There are MANY religions and moral systems that help provide pro-social values. </p>
<p>Many non-Christian societies flourish in all areas of human endeavor, arts, science, philosophy and spirituality. To imply that they do not because they are not Christian is the height of arrogance and ignorance. </p>
<p>Historically, much of western advancement came from the influences of peoples from the near and far east, which includes China, India, Japan, Arabia&#8230; all of which are non-Christian. Were these powerful and in many ways advanced societies lacking in a moral center? Was their population in chaos?</p>
<p>What pro-social values does modern Christianity provide? Exclusion of gays, homophobia, blockage of equal rights under the law based on hysteria and innuendo, condemnation of others who do not agree, attacks on scientific reasoning, disruption of society, black-white thinking, and blatant attempts to force their beliefs into law and create a totalitarian state where all must adhere to &#8220;Christian principles.&#8221; It cannot possibly survive because it is based on a destructive construct.</p>
<p>I believe that Christian churches are a propaganda machine for Christianity, plain and simple. Thanks to their political activism, they have reduced their religion to a political movement based on exclusion, guilt, shame and condemnation. This naturally makes people start to question them and their beliefs.</p>
<p>Psychologically, Christianity is negative. It teaches that people have no inherent goodness or morality and no value UNLESS they believe in a certain religious system and are &#8220;saved&#8221;. This completely denies the ability of human beings to achieve, reducing them to puppets whose strings must be pulled. It rejects independent thinking, self improvement, achievement and ultimately personal responsibility.  </p>
<p>Their own moral system is designed to collapse in on itself and destroy morality. Since &#8220;I believe, therefore I am saved.&#8221; equates to &#8220;It doesn&#8217;t matter WHAT I do as long as I believe, I am saved.&#8221; </p>
<p>If one is not accountable for ones actions, as the &#8220;I am saved approach&#8221; implies, then one can do just about anything and get away with it. Try pulling that in a court of law &#8220;I believe in the Constitution, therefore, I am not responsible for any crimes I have committed.&#8221;</p>
<p>The decline in Christianity in the United States is a direct result of their teachings. They simply went over the top too many times. Even self described Christians are leaving Christian Churches. </p>
<p>Spirituality and morality, social mores and ethics are diverse. Christianity seeks to exclude, not include. Of course, they will eventually lose followers, how could they not?</p>
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		<title>By: Jayne</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/05/13/south-carolina-pastafarians-in-the-news/#comment-309773</link>
		<dc:creator>Jayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 04:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that pastor sounds like Jim J. Bullock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that pastor sounds like Jim J. Bullock.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth B.</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/05/13/south-carolina-pastafarians-in-the-news/#comment-309428</link>
		<dc:creator>Beth B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 03:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the implication that Christian children who grow up to become atheist or agnostic reflect a defect in parenting.  Because it&#039;s not like a person would ever think independently and come to their own conclusions.  Of course not...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the implication that Christian children who grow up to become atheist or agnostic reflect a defect in parenting.  Because it&#8217;s not like a person would ever think independently and come to their own conclusions.  Of course not&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Porky Pine</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/05/13/south-carolina-pastafarians-in-the-news/#comment-309234</link>
		<dc:creator>Porky Pine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 14:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tom

You beat me to it.  I had him nailed as a pedophile or a closet gay. :)

I didn&#039;t realize that a pastafarian was a synonym for atheist.

Ramen!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tom</p>
<p>You beat me to it.  I had him nailed as a pedophile or a closet gay. <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t realize that a pastafarian was a synonym for atheist.</p>
<p>Ramen!</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/05/13/south-carolina-pastafarians-in-the-news/#comment-309208</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 12:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd Davis might be a touch gay.  Reminds me of Ted Haggard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd Davis might be a touch gay.  Reminds me of Ted Haggard.</p>
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		<title>By: Gustavo Keener</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/05/13/south-carolina-pastafarians-in-the-news/#comment-309110</link>
		<dc:creator>Gustavo Keener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 04:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank the FSM that we have so many people getting out of the rut!  All praise, glory, and honor the the almighty FSM!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank the FSM that we have so many people getting out of the rut!  All praise, glory, and honor the the almighty FSM!</p>
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		<title>By: NeuroLover</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/05/13/south-carolina-pastafarians-in-the-news/#comment-309079</link>
		<dc:creator>NeuroLover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 02:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the tone of voice all the reporters got whenever they mentioned a word like &quot;atheist *shudder*&quot; :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the tone of voice all the reporters got whenever they mentioned a word like &#8220;atheist *shudder*&#8221; <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: elf_man</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/05/13/south-carolina-pastafarians-in-the-news/#comment-309055</link>
		<dc:creator>elf_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 01:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That pastor (or at least his words were used as such, dunno if he was actually commenting on that or if it was just the editing) also implied that those atheists and agnostics they interviewed weren&#039;t raised properly Christian. Thank you my fine Scotsman.

And he says the problem isn&#039;t the message? Has he read the Bible lately?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That pastor (or at least his words were used as such, dunno if he was actually commenting on that or if it was just the editing) also implied that those atheists and agnostics they interviewed weren&#8217;t raised properly Christian. Thank you my fine Scotsman.</p>
<p>And he says the problem isn&#8217;t the message? Has he read the Bible lately?</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/05/13/south-carolina-pastafarians-in-the-news/#comment-308971</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 21:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, that poll could use some tweaking...wltx.com, page down, on right...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, that poll could use some tweaking&#8230;wltx.com, page down, on right&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: anonymouse</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/05/13/south-carolina-pastafarians-in-the-news/#comment-308962</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 21:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love how the first woman interviewed equated morals with religion. Because I don&#039;t believe in god, I am apparently raping and murdering everyone...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love how the first woman interviewed equated morals with religion. Because I don&#8217;t believe in god, I am apparently raping and murdering everyone&#8230;?</p>
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