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	<title>Comments on: Why Are We Atheists?  A Misguided Christian Answers</title>
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	<description>by Hemant Mehta</description>
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		<title>By: Subjective morality &#8212; wow, why am I even trying..? &#171; Irresistible (Dis)Grace</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/05/13/why-are-we-atheists-a-misguided-christian-answers/#comment-312010</link>
		<dc:creator>Subjective morality &#8212; wow, why am I even trying..? &#171; Irresistible (Dis)Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 03:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and then posted his articles anew with no comments, but I guess that was to be predicted, after Hemant Mehta sic&#8217;d his minions on the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and then posted his articles anew with no comments, but I guess that was to be predicted, after Hemant Mehta sic&#8217;d his minions on the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cafeeine</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/05/13/why-are-we-atheists-a-misguided-christian-answers/#comment-311797</link>
		<dc:creator>Cafeeine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 14:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if this was in any way related, but the recent exchange between some atheists and Randal was expunged from the blog, and the CP account I created in order to post there has also been deleted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if this was in any way related, but the recent exchange between some atheists and Randal was expunged from the blog, and the CP account I created in order to post there has also been deleted.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/05/13/why-are-we-atheists-a-misguided-christian-answers/#comment-309425</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 03:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So David, are you saying that we should worship &lt;a href=&quot;http://religiouscomics.net/?p=119&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this guy&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So David, are you saying that we should worship <a href="http://religiouscomics.net/?p=119" rel="nofollow">this guy</a>?</p>
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		<title>By: David Murdoch</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/05/13/why-are-we-atheists-a-misguided-christian-answers/#comment-309344</link>
		<dc:creator>David Murdoch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 22:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have met more than one atheist who has claimed that atheism offers people freedom from the idea that they are committing sins or offending some kind of divine entity... I don&#039;t know if that is the reason they are atheists or not, but it is not so different from the reasons that are cited above.

I think atheists are misguided people who have failed to recognize the irrationality of their position (and I say this as a former agnostic).

Here&#039;s an example of what I&#039;m referring to:
&#039;For Rauser, if a Holy Book or a faith isn’t giving your life meaning, then you can’t have one. If you give yourself some meaning independently, it’s worthless. Since so many of our values and morals are subjective, he can’t understand why atheists would bother to do anything good. That reeks of ignorance, not understanding. There are plenty of evolutionary explanations for things like altruism.&#039;

How does explaining that altruism can have evolutionary causes have anything to do with answering the above problem?... the burden is on the atheist to show why it is that they are able to rationalize the belief that such a thing as good and evil actually objectively exists. If they say that we believe in good and evil, because of some evolved trait, that does nothing to show that good and evil are objectively real. 

For example, if a person claimed that killing people was morally good, how could he be objectively wrong? If we all make up our own purposes and meanings, then he evidently couldn&#039;t be wrong, because that was his own meaning to create.

God Bless,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have met more than one atheist who has claimed that atheism offers people freedom from the idea that they are committing sins or offending some kind of divine entity&#8230; I don&#8217;t know if that is the reason they are atheists or not, but it is not so different from the reasons that are cited above.</p>
<p>I think atheists are misguided people who have failed to recognize the irrationality of their position (and I say this as a former agnostic).</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an example of what I&#8217;m referring to:<br />
&#8216;For Rauser, if a Holy Book or a faith isn’t giving your life meaning, then you can’t have one. If you give yourself some meaning independently, it’s worthless. Since so many of our values and morals are subjective, he can’t understand why atheists would bother to do anything good. That reeks of ignorance, not understanding. There are plenty of evolutionary explanations for things like altruism.&#8217;</p>
<p>How does explaining that altruism can have evolutionary causes have anything to do with answering the above problem?&#8230; the burden is on the atheist to show why it is that they are able to rationalize the belief that such a thing as good and evil actually objectively exists. If they say that we believe in good and evil, because of some evolved trait, that does nothing to show that good and evil are objectively real. </p>
<p>For example, if a person claimed that killing people was morally good, how could he be objectively wrong? If we all make up our own purposes and meanings, then he evidently couldn&#8217;t be wrong, because that was his own meaning to create.</p>
<p>God Bless,</p>
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		<title>By: absent sway</title>
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		<dc:creator>absent sway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 19:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Bible says not to envy the wicked.  Sinner!

&quot;Everyone knows Christians don’t live among bears, they summon them to maul annoying kids.&quot;  &lt;-----Brilliant</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bible says not to envy the wicked.  Sinner!</p>
<p>&#8220;Everyone knows Christians don’t live among bears, they summon them to maul annoying kids.&#8221;  &lt;&#8212;&#8211;Brilliant</p>
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		<title>By: Reginald Selkirk</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/05/13/why-are-we-atheists-a-misguided-christian-answers/#comment-309266</link>
		<dc:creator>Reginald Selkirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 16:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take this, Randal Rauser:

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.alternet.org/sex/140014/why_atheists_have_better_sex/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Why Atheists Have Better Sex&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;
by Greta Christina</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take this, Randal Rauser:</p>
<p><b><a href="http://www.alternet.org/sex/140014/why_atheists_have_better_sex/" rel="nofollow">Why Atheists Have Better Sex</a></b><br />
by Greta Christina</p>
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		<title>By: Reginald Selkirk</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/05/13/why-are-we-atheists-a-misguided-christian-answers/#comment-309265</link>
		<dc:creator>Reginald Selkirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 16:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;So what am I arguing? Well consider a simple analogy. You come across a rock in the woods. It ended up there randomly. Nobody put it there. Nobody designed it.&lt;/i&gt;

Blasphemy! Heresy! Surely Rauser knows that God designed that rock and put it in that very spot for Rauser to find.

Own goal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So what am I arguing? Well consider a simple analogy. You come across a rock in the woods. It ended up there randomly. Nobody put it there. Nobody designed it.</i></p>
<p>Blasphemy! Heresy! Surely Rauser knows that God designed that rock and put it in that very spot for Rauser to find.</p>
<p>Own goal.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 15:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the comments, RD Rauser presents this anology of a rock and a hammer:

&lt;blockquote&gt;So what am I arguing? Well consider a simple analogy. You come across a rock in the woods. It ended up there randomly. Nobody put it there. Nobody designed it. Since the rock was not designed with any purpose or intention in mind, it is by definition impossible to misuse it (for for doing so would constitute a deviation from an intended use).

Now imagine that you find a hammer in the woods. While you cannot, by definition, misuse a rock, you can indeed misuse a hammer because it was created with a particular intention or purpose.

Now to close the loop of the analogy. While atheists believe human beings are more like the rock, Christians believe they are more like the hammer. That is, atheists deny that human beings were created for anything, with any purpose in mind. By contrast, Christians believe human beings were created with a purpose or meaning.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We humans are the rock. It is society and sociological perspectives that are the hammer. Society as we know it was &lt;em&gt;created and designed&lt;/em&gt; by humans. People take advantage of differences in society, and the various stratifications within, for their own gain every day. Most of the time, this is in the name of a god.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the comments, RD Rauser presents this anology of a rock and a hammer:</p>
<blockquote><p>So what am I arguing? Well consider a simple analogy. You come across a rock in the woods. It ended up there randomly. Nobody put it there. Nobody designed it. Since the rock was not designed with any purpose or intention in mind, it is by definition impossible to misuse it (for for doing so would constitute a deviation from an intended use).</p>
<p>Now imagine that you find a hammer in the woods. While you cannot, by definition, misuse a rock, you can indeed misuse a hammer because it was created with a particular intention or purpose.</p>
<p>Now to close the loop of the analogy. While atheists believe human beings are more like the rock, Christians believe they are more like the hammer. That is, atheists deny that human beings were created for anything, with any purpose in mind. By contrast, Christians believe human beings were created with a purpose or meaning.</p></blockquote>
<p>We humans are the rock. It is society and sociological perspectives that are the hammer. Society as we know it was <em>created and designed</em> by humans. People take advantage of differences in society, and the various stratifications within, for their own gain every day. Most of the time, this is in the name of a god.</p>
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		<title>By: Meekerson</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/05/13/why-are-we-atheists-a-misguided-christian-answers/#comment-309235</link>
		<dc:creator>Meekerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 14:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;He goes on to overanalyze Timothy Treadwell, a man who lived among bears because he &#039;could find no objective meaning in his empty southern California life of beaches and parties,&#039; and later was killed by one of them.&quot;

Killed by one of the parties, beaches, or bears?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He goes on to overanalyze Timothy Treadwell, a man who lived among bears because he &#8216;could find no objective meaning in his empty southern California life of beaches and parties,&#8217; and later was killed by one of them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Killed by one of the parties, beaches, or bears?</p>
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		<title>By: Reginald Selkirk</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/05/13/why-are-we-atheists-a-misguided-christian-answers/#comment-309228</link>
		<dc:creator>Reginald Selkirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 14:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;You don’t have to give to the poor&lt;/i&gt;

You also don&#039;t have to worry about your money going to support the opulent and decadent lifestyle of a televangenist, or going to support witch-hunting in Africa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You don’t have to give to the poor</i></p>
<p>You also don&#8217;t have to worry about your money going to support the opulent and decadent lifestyle of a televangenist, or going to support witch-hunting in Africa.</p>
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