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	<title>Comments on: Why Would a Christian Leave Her Stranded?</title>
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		<title>By: Siamang</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/05/24/why-would-a-christian-leave-her-stranded/#comment-372411</link>
		<dc:creator>Siamang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eat the chicken.  Problem solved!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eat the chicken.  Problem solved!</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/05/24/why-would-a-christian-leave-her-stranded/#comment-372394</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s amazing how conservative interpretations of religion tend to converge.

I have a colleague who is an Orthodox Jew.  I&#039;m forgetting the specifics of the story, but I believe he needed to take someone to the hospital, but was unwilling to do so because it would leave his wife and her father-in-law (!) home alone together.

It&#039;s like you&#039;re adding one of those &quot;how do you get the fox, chicken, and seed across the river&quot; puzzles into your life on a constant basis!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s amazing how conservative interpretations of religion tend to converge.</p>
<p>I have a colleague who is an Orthodox Jew.  I&#8217;m forgetting the specifics of the story, but I believe he needed to take someone to the hospital, but was unwilling to do so because it would leave his wife and her father-in-law (!) home alone together.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like you&#8217;re adding one of those &#8220;how do you get the fox, chicken, and seed across the river&#8221; puzzles into your life on a constant basis!</p>
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		<title>By: llewelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>llewelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 05:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
  Unfortunately, people are too apt to judge by appearances. It isn’t enough to BE honest and honorable - you must also be SEEN to be honest and honorable.

I am married, female and a high school teacher. I like to believe that I have good relationships with my students, and a deep level of trust.

But I am very careful to never be alone with a student, especially a male one. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That practice has little to do with &#039;appearances&#039;. Thirty years ago in America, (and even twenty in many parts of the US) it was perfectly normal for a teacher to spend time alone with a student - usually to punish the student, sometimes to ensure the student got the homework time they needed. It wasn&#039;t typically assumed to be a sexual event, despite the fact that American culture thirty years ago was even more anal retentive about &#039;appearances&#039;. 
On the contrary - the practice changed because it was demonstrated, in many studies and many court cases, that the privilege of being alone with student created opportunities for abuse. And so, throughout the 1980s, 1990s, and so on, schools enacted stricter and stricter rules against it.</description>
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  Unfortunately, people are too apt to judge by appearances. It isn’t enough to BE honest and honorable &#8211; you must also be SEEN to be honest and honorable.</p>
<p>I am married, female and a high school teacher. I like to believe that I have good relationships with my students, and a deep level of trust.</p>
<p>But I am very careful to never be alone with a student, especially a male one.
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<p>That practice has little to do with &#8216;appearances&#8217;. Thirty years ago in America, (and even twenty in many parts of the US) it was perfectly normal for a teacher to spend time alone with a student &#8211; usually to punish the student, sometimes to ensure the student got the homework time they needed. It wasn&#8217;t typically assumed to be a sexual event, despite the fact that American culture thirty years ago was even more anal retentive about &#8216;appearances&#8217;.<br />
On the contrary &#8211; the practice changed because it was demonstrated, in many studies and many court cases, that the privilege of being alone with student created opportunities for abuse. And so, throughout the 1980s, 1990s, and so on, schools enacted stricter and stricter rules against it.</p>
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		<title>By: absent sway</title>
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		<dc:creator>absent sway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 21:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a little conflicted here because first of all, Richard Wade has a truly decent attitude about this and I appreciate it and it&#039;s important to bear in mind.  On the other hand, this story sounds consistent with the type of attitude toward personal purity and avoiding &quot;even the appearance of evil&quot; that I witnessed in my evangelical days.  I can imagine someone being selfish and careless and using a pseudo-religious excuse, but I can even more easily imagine someone doing something that is selfish and careless with the best of intentions for preserving the expected boundaries between the sexes.  I&#039;m leaning toward blaming the religious aspect of it because I don&#039;t recall ever witnessing such an approach from an unbeliever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a little conflicted here because first of all, Richard Wade has a truly decent attitude about this and I appreciate it and it&#8217;s important to bear in mind.  On the other hand, this story sounds consistent with the type of attitude toward personal purity and avoiding &#8220;even the appearance of evil&#8221; that I witnessed in my evangelical days.  I can imagine someone being selfish and careless and using a pseudo-religious excuse, but I can even more easily imagine someone doing something that is selfish and careless with the best of intentions for preserving the expected boundaries between the sexes.  I&#8217;m leaning toward blaming the religious aspect of it because I don&#8217;t recall ever witnessing such an approach from an unbeliever.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 20:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a friend in high school who went to a church that seemed fairly normal.  One day she told me she had to walk home from the nighttime youth group because the married-but-young pastor couldn&#039;t drive her home due to his Billy Graham-inspired &quot;can&#039;t even be alone with a woman who is not my wife&quot;.  Mind you, she was a sixteen year old, and while we lived in a pretty good neightborhood, its neither pedestrian friendly nor necessarily safe for a young woman to walk home two miles after dark. She was the type who would accept this- I would have pitched a fit.   She defended it, but a youth minister should have a system in place other than a shrug for Jesus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a friend in high school who went to a church that seemed fairly normal.  One day she told me she had to walk home from the nighttime youth group because the married-but-young pastor couldn&#8217;t drive her home due to his Billy Graham-inspired &#8220;can&#8217;t even be alone with a woman who is not my wife&#8221;.  Mind you, she was a sixteen year old, and while we lived in a pretty good neightborhood, its neither pedestrian friendly nor necessarily safe for a young woman to walk home two miles after dark. She was the type who would accept this- I would have pitched a fit.   She defended it, but a youth minister should have a system in place other than a shrug for Jesus.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 18:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, people are too apt to judge by appearances.  It isn&#039;t enough to BE honest and honorable - you must also be SEEN to be honest and honorable.

I am married, female and a high school teacher.  I like to believe that I have good relationships with my students, and a deep level of trust.

But I am very careful to never be alone with a student, especially a male one.  

Whatever the truth may be, people will judge by what they PERCEIVE the truth to be.  Sad, but true.  I understand Corey&#039;s reasoning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, people are too apt to judge by appearances.  It isn&#8217;t enough to BE honest and honorable &#8211; you must also be SEEN to be honest and honorable.</p>
<p>I am married, female and a high school teacher.  I like to believe that I have good relationships with my students, and a deep level of trust.</p>
<p>But I am very careful to never be alone with a student, especially a male one.  </p>
<p>Whatever the truth may be, people will judge by what they PERCEIVE the truth to be.  Sad, but true.  I understand Corey&#8217;s reasoning.</p>
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		<title>By: Lambert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lambert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 16:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strikes me that this is just the same stupid attitude that Muslims are for ever in the headlines for. 

Women are required to dress &#039;modestly&#039; because of the assumption that all women are inherently liable to cause irresistible sexual urges in men. 
Likewise, all men are completely incapable of suppressing the urge to rape any passing female, and so the genders must be vigorously kept apart.

According to the &#039;devout&#039;, human kind is good for one thing only - fornication - and so we must constantly maintain a vigil to prevent the world wide orgy from taking place.

Sounds like some people have *really* low opinions of humanity. They need to get over it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strikes me that this is just the same stupid attitude that Muslims are for ever in the headlines for. </p>
<p>Women are required to dress &#8216;modestly&#8217; because of the assumption that all women are inherently liable to cause irresistible sexual urges in men.<br />
Likewise, all men are completely incapable of suppressing the urge to rape any passing female, and so the genders must be vigorously kept apart.</p>
<p>According to the &#8216;devout&#8217;, human kind is good for one thing only &#8211; fornication &#8211; and so we must constantly maintain a vigil to prevent the world wide orgy from taking place.</p>
<p>Sounds like some people have *really* low opinions of humanity. They need to get over it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 15:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the religious environment I grew up in, sometimes behavior like this would fall under not wanting to offend/confuse the angels -- who witness our behavior but do not see into our hearts.

Seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the religious environment I grew up in, sometimes behavior like this would fall under not wanting to offend/confuse the angels &#8212; who witness our behavior but do not see into our hearts.</p>
<p>Seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: mikespeir</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikespeir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 13:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not so sure I agree completely with Richard on this one.  Granted, Corey was being selfish.  But he acted as he did because his religion had constructed a moral code by which he felt obliged to live.  It was his religion that impelled him toward that selfishness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not so sure I agree completely with Richard on this one.  Granted, Corey was being selfish.  But he acted as he did because his religion had constructed a moral code by which he felt obliged to live.  It was his religion that impelled him toward that selfishness.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 12:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is funny that God made us to be soooo much like what we would have been if we had in fact evolved from a common ancestor of the lustful lascivious primates of today...  

You would think that a lust-hating (obsessed) creator would simply create His subjects a little less pre-disposed to this kind of behavior.    But only if you think....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is funny that God made us to be soooo much like what we would have been if we had in fact evolved from a common ancestor of the lustful lascivious primates of today&#8230;  </p>
<p>You would think that a lust-hating (obsessed) creator would simply create His subjects a little less pre-disposed to this kind of behavior.    But only if you think&#8230;.</p>
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