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		<title>By: The problem with atheist communities &#171; Irresistible (Dis)Grace</title>
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		<dc:creator>The problem with atheist communities &#171; Irresistible (Dis)Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 08:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] course, there are plenty of other articles that try to work through issues of atheist community and atheist representation in different groups. This is just the tip of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: nomad</title>
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		<dc:creator>nomad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 17:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coming out of the closet is an unfortunate metaphor. The situation of the black atheist in a predominantly Christian (black) culture is intimidating. But that is where the parallel to that of gays end. It&#039;s hard to come out of a closet for being &quot;not&quot; something. Atheism is more akin to being celibate than with being gay. It&#039;s like someone declaring their celibacy. It&#039;s kind of like coming out of the closet. But it&#039;s kinda not.

Interestingly enough, the first person I ever heard criticize religion on TV was black and gay. James Baldwin during the Nixon era. He said something to the effect that Christianity was unable to &quot;come off of it&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coming out of the closet is an unfortunate metaphor. The situation of the black atheist in a predominantly Christian (black) culture is intimidating. But that is where the parallel to that of gays end. It&#8217;s hard to come out of a closet for being &#8220;not&#8221; something. Atheism is more akin to being celibate than with being gay. It&#8217;s like someone declaring their celibacy. It&#8217;s kind of like coming out of the closet. But it&#8217;s kinda not.</p>
<p>Interestingly enough, the first person I ever heard criticize religion on TV was black and gay. James Baldwin during the Nixon era. He said something to the effect that Christianity was unable to &#8220;come off of it&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Epistaxis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Epistaxis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 06:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;there have been a few black atheists who have made names for themselves in the atheist world (Ayaan Hirsi Ali, for one)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

She&#039;s not black the same way Hutchinson and White are black. Their culture is made up of Americans of African descent; she is a Dutch woman raised in Somalia as a Muslim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>there have been a few black atheists who have made names for themselves in the atheist world (Ayaan Hirsi Ali, for one)</p></blockquote>
<p>She&#8217;s not black the same way Hutchinson and White are black. Their culture is made up of Americans of African descent; she is a Dutch woman raised in Somalia as a Muslim.</p>
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		<title>By: Jasel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jasel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 03:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article. I&#039;m a black atheist and have been an atheist my entire life. Fortunately I grew up in a household where religion was never, and still isn&#039;t, really talked about. My father is an atheist (most doctors are I think?) and my mom is non-practicing but honestly at the age of 24 I couldn&#039;t tell you what she believes. I haven&#039;t asked and she hasn&#039;t offered the information. I know my sister believes in a god but doesn&#039;t follow any particular religious school. I don&#039;t even know what (or if) my brother believes.

I have to agree with a lot of what I read in both the articles in this blog post. I honestly feel much more comfortable talking about religion, and in some cases my atheism, with non-blacks. With other blacks I avoid discussions of religion altogether. Partly out of fear, and partly out of sheer frustration/anger/disappointment/embarrassment.

I&#039;ve never really been self-aware of the whole issue and controversy surrounding atheism until maybe the past 3 years or so. But ever since I&#039;ve become even more wary of religion than I was growing up.

I wish I could be one of those &quot;Proud atheists&quot; and say it loud and proud, but the thought of even talking about being an atheist in certain situations (my nursing class for example where I&#039;m the only male in a class where 20 of the students are African-American females) makes my throat tighten up, my heart race, and I get a bad case of nervousness.

I would never lie about being an atheist or claim to be a faith that I&#039;m not. Claiming to be a Christian would probably make my blood run cold. If pressed about my beliefs I&#039;ll answer honestly. However my instinct is to just say &quot;I&#039;m not really religious&quot; and try to leave it at that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article. I&#8217;m a black atheist and have been an atheist my entire life. Fortunately I grew up in a household where religion was never, and still isn&#8217;t, really talked about. My father is an atheist (most doctors are I think?) and my mom is non-practicing but honestly at the age of 24 I couldn&#8217;t tell you what she believes. I haven&#8217;t asked and she hasn&#8217;t offered the information. I know my sister believes in a god but doesn&#8217;t follow any particular religious school. I don&#8217;t even know what (or if) my brother believes.</p>
<p>I have to agree with a lot of what I read in both the articles in this blog post. I honestly feel much more comfortable talking about religion, and in some cases my atheism, with non-blacks. With other blacks I avoid discussions of religion altogether. Partly out of fear, and partly out of sheer frustration/anger/disappointment/embarrassment.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never really been self-aware of the whole issue and controversy surrounding atheism until maybe the past 3 years or so. But ever since I&#8217;ve become even more wary of religion than I was growing up.</p>
<p>I wish I could be one of those &#8220;Proud atheists&#8221; and say it loud and proud, but the thought of even talking about being an atheist in certain situations (my nursing class for example where I&#8217;m the only male in a class where 20 of the students are African-American females) makes my throat tighten up, my heart race, and I get a bad case of nervousness.</p>
<p>I would never lie about being an atheist or claim to be a faith that I&#8217;m not. Claiming to be a Christian would probably make my blood run cold. If pressed about my beliefs I&#8217;ll answer honestly. However my instinct is to just say &#8220;I&#8217;m not really religious&#8221; and try to leave it at that.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 22:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a Black Female Atheist also - as well as living in one of the &quot;whitest&quot; states in the country (Maine) and having a White partner (who&#039;s also an Atheist).  I&#039;m not really &quot;out&quot; to my extended family, although folks at work know and don&#039;t really care.  The piece in the LA Times was well-said; my mother &quot;blesses my day&quot; all the time - I just let it go in one ear and out the other.  I have to agree with poster Robyn&#039;s comments 100%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a Black Female Atheist also &#8211; as well as living in one of the &#8220;whitest&#8221; states in the country (Maine) and having a White partner (who&#8217;s also an Atheist).  I&#8217;m not really &#8220;out&#8221; to my extended family, although folks at work know and don&#8217;t really care.  The piece in the LA Times was well-said; my mother &#8220;blesses my day&#8221; all the time &#8211; I just let it go in one ear and out the other.  I have to agree with poster Robyn&#8217;s comments 100%.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 21:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Yeah, coming out as an atheist or gay would be great, but it’s not like it’s safe to be branded a race traitor.&lt;/em&gt;

What a selfish thing to say. Why should your own personal safety outweigh the atheist community&#039;s greater good? I kid, I kid.

BTW, Rene, as a free thinker nothing could be more anathema to me than the idea of being &quot;herded&quot; by some self-appointed &quot;leader&quot; or &quot;leaders.&quot; If I needed someone to tell me what to think and what to do with my life I&#039;d join a religion. The very idea of an &quot;atheist follower&quot; isn&#039;t going to fly for most people.

One last thing: The best place to come out is online, using your alias. The last thing you want is your relatives and employer to find out and shun you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Yeah, coming out as an atheist or gay would be great, but it’s not like it’s safe to be branded a race traitor.</em></p>
<p>What a selfish thing to say. Why should your own personal safety outweigh the atheist community&#8217;s greater good? I kid, I kid.</p>
<p>BTW, Rene, as a free thinker nothing could be more anathema to me than the idea of being &#8220;herded&#8221; by some self-appointed &#8220;leader&#8221; or &#8220;leaders.&#8221; If I needed someone to tell me what to think and what to do with my life I&#8217;d join a religion. The very idea of an &#8220;atheist follower&#8221; isn&#8217;t going to fly for most people.</p>
<p>One last thing: The best place to come out is online, using your alias. The last thing you want is your relatives and employer to find out and shun you.</p>
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		<title>By: Rene Horn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rene Horn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 21:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/05/29/atheists-in-the-black-community/#comment-314400&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Greta&lt;/a&gt;: You&#039;re right.  Unfortunately, the entire &quot;herding cats&quot; phrase applies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/05/29/atheists-in-the-black-community/#comment-314400" rel="nofollow">Greta</a>: You&#8217;re right.  Unfortunately, the entire &#8220;herding cats&#8221; phrase applies.</p>
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		<title>By: Greta Christina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greta Christina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 19:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It starts by getting those atheists in the black community to courageously come out and tell others about their beliefs — preferably in person and not just on websites.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes... but it also starts with the atheist community making an effort to make itself more welcoming to African Americans and other people of color. More link love, more attention to issues that are of particular importance to these communities, more effort to put atheists of color front and center in our movement (as public speakers, on TV appearances, in panels at conferences, etc.). That sort of thing.

Speaking from painful experience in the queer community: We can&#039;t just ask people to come out without providing a safe, welcoming, genuinely inclusive place for them to land when they do. And simply saying that we&#039;re inclusive, and not being grossly and overly racist, isn&#039;t enough. We have to be more pro-active than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It starts by getting those atheists in the black community to courageously come out and tell others about their beliefs — preferably in person and not just on websites.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes&#8230; but it also starts with the atheist community making an effort to make itself more welcoming to African Americans and other people of color. More link love, more attention to issues that are of particular importance to these communities, more effort to put atheists of color front and center in our movement (as public speakers, on TV appearances, in panels at conferences, etc.). That sort of thing.</p>
<p>Speaking from painful experience in the queer community: We can&#8217;t just ask people to come out without providing a safe, welcoming, genuinely inclusive place for them to land when they do. And simply saying that we&#8217;re inclusive, and not being grossly and overly racist, isn&#8217;t enough. We have to be more pro-active than that.</p>
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		<title>By: ollie</title>
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		<dc:creator>ollie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 18:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re:  Black Atheists.  Check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WHf5HFDk10&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;PFUNK on video&lt;/a&gt;

Magnificently done!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:  Black Atheists.  Check out <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WHf5HFDk10" rel="nofollow">PFUNK on video</a></p>
<p>Magnificently done!</p>
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		<title>By: medussa</title>
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		<dc:creator>medussa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 18:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a similar situation with gays and lesbians in the African American communities.
In an oppressed community, to be perceived as different is to be branded a traitor, and queers are often very closeted.  So much so, that being gay is often referred to as white people&#039;s problems.....
Yeah, coming out as an atheist or gay would be great, but it&#039;s not like it&#039;s safe to be branded a race traitor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a similar situation with gays and lesbians in the African American communities.<br />
In an oppressed community, to be perceived as different is to be branded a traitor, and queers are often very closeted.  So much so, that being gay is often referred to as white people&#8217;s problems&#8230;..<br />
Yeah, coming out as an atheist or gay would be great, but it&#8217;s not like it&#8217;s safe to be branded a race traitor.</p>
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