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	<title>Comments on: What Kind of Person Would Kill Abortion Doctor George Tiller?</title>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 15:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all,to those so called &#039;women&#039; who think that its their body therefore its their right to choose-thats BS! once you spread your legs and get pregnant its NOT just your body anymore! Theres another human being inside of you now! To those who think that its better to kill their baby becuse they are on &#039;hard times&#039; thats also BS! Put the baby up for adoption-but then that requires you to have a soul and a conscience something which womwen like</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all,to those so called &#8216;women&#8217; who think that its their body therefore its their right to choose-thats BS! once you spread your legs and get pregnant its NOT just your body anymore! Theres another human being inside of you now! To those who think that its better to kill their baby becuse they are on &#8216;hard times&#8217; thats also BS! Put the baby up for adoption-but then that requires you to have a soul and a conscience something which womwen like</p>
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		<title>By: George Tiller&#8217;s shooting and the pro-life movement &#171; Church Radio Addict</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Tiller&#8217;s shooting and the pro-life movement &#171; Church Radio Addict</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 04:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the attitude of &#8220;us vs. them&#8221; &#8211; that allows the extremists to thrive.  As the Friendly Atheist explains: &#8220;They didn’t pull the trigger, but it’s the mindset they put people in that is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the attitude of &#8220;us vs. them&#8221; &#8211; that allows the extremists to thrive.  As the Friendly Atheist explains: &#8220;They didn’t pull the trigger, but it’s the mindset they put people in that is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Noboru Wataya (the cat)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noboru Wataya (the cat)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, to clarify how killings of abortion doctors manage to make all pro-lifers look bad, think of it this way. 
What do you think of Muslims? Have you ever entertained the viewpoint that Islam is an inherently violent religion, more so than Christianity or other faiths? If so, why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, to clarify how killings of abortion doctors manage to make all pro-lifers look bad, think of it this way.<br />
What do you think of Muslims? Have you ever entertained the viewpoint that Islam is an inherently violent religion, more so than Christianity or other faiths? If so, why?</p>
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		<title>By: Who would Jesus shoot? &#124; Xpatriated Texan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Who would Jesus shoot? &#124; Xpatriated Texan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is natural to ask what kind of person would do this - but the answer is that there are litterally millions of people around the world who can be [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is natural to ask what kind of person would do this &#8211; but the answer is that there are litterally millions of people around the world who can be [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mariano</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/05/31/what-kind-of-person-would-kill-abortion-doctor-george-tiller/#comment-315769</link>
		<dc:creator>Mariano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 02:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The post at the following link ties a nice bow around the idea of Christian abortionist murderers:
http://atheismisdead.blogspot.com/2009/06/george-tiller-abortionist-murders-and.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The post at the following link ties a nice bow around the idea of Christian abortionist murderers:<br />
<a href="http://atheismisdead.blogspot.com/2009/06/george-tiller-abortionist-murders-and.html" rel="nofollow">http://atheismisdead.blogspot.com/2009/06/george-tiller-abortionist-murders-and.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ash</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/05/31/what-kind-of-person-would-kill-abortion-doctor-george-tiller/#comment-315476</link>
		<dc:creator>Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rachel,
&lt;blockquote&gt;I think the real problem lays in differentiating of whether or not the unborn child is still “mothers body”, or “child’s body” / “separate person”. I can definitely see why the topic causes anger when there is a firm belief that the unborn child is mothers body, not an easy one this.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not so for me; the foetus is clearly a seperate entity from the mother with its own unique DNA. My issue is that it is entirely dependant on that mother for most of its gestation, and no-one should be forced to effectively turn over their body for the benefit of another against their will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rachel,</p>
<blockquote><p>I think the real problem lays in differentiating of whether or not the unborn child is still “mothers body”, or “child’s body” / “separate person”. I can definitely see why the topic causes anger when there is a firm belief that the unborn child is mothers body, not an easy one this.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not so for me; the foetus is clearly a seperate entity from the mother with its own unique DNA. My issue is that it is entirely dependant on that mother for most of its gestation, and no-one should be forced to effectively turn over their body for the benefit of another against their will.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 11:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This debate seems to have turned over on a new topic entirely, perhaps it’s time to open a separate thread for abortion? (Though it could turn blogtasticly ugly as such debates tend to do)

I am pro life, but that also means pro this doctor&#039;s life. Nothing excuses a killing in my mind, and thus this is just as unacceptable. 

Everyone is responsible for their own life and death, and that is the right I wish every person had. I think the real problem lays in differentiating of whether or not the unborn child is still “mothers body”, or “child’s body” / “separate person”. I can definitely see why the topic causes anger when there is a firm belief that the unborn child is mothers body, not an easy one this. 
And let it be said, I have the utmost respect for opposing view, and those holding them, even though I stick to mine :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This debate seems to have turned over on a new topic entirely, perhaps it’s time to open a separate thread for abortion? (Though it could turn blogtasticly ugly as such debates tend to do)</p>
<p>I am pro life, but that also means pro this doctor&#8217;s life. Nothing excuses a killing in my mind, and thus this is just as unacceptable. </p>
<p>Everyone is responsible for their own life and death, and that is the right I wish every person had. I think the real problem lays in differentiating of whether or not the unborn child is still “mothers body”, or “child’s body” / “separate person”. I can definitely see why the topic causes anger when there is a firm belief that the unborn child is mothers body, not an easy one this.<br />
And let it be said, I have the utmost respect for opposing view, and those holding them, even though I stick to mine <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 02:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frik is an idiot, pure and simple.  When he rails against &quot;late-term abortions&quot; he doesn&#039;t have the facts.  Here is the one fact you need to know Frik:  Late-term abortions are only performed when the life of the mother is in danger BECAUSE of the pregnancy.  Know your subject before mouthing off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frik is an idiot, pure and simple.  When he rails against &#8220;late-term abortions&#8221; he doesn&#8217;t have the facts.  Here is the one fact you need to know Frik:  Late-term abortions are only performed when the life of the mother is in danger BECAUSE of the pregnancy.  Know your subject before mouthing off.</p>
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		<title>By: medussa</title>
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		<dc:creator>medussa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 23:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Frik,

you say you&#039;ve met so very many women who have regretted their decision to abort, so therefore, somehow, you deduce they should be protected from further regrettable decisions and be prevented from having the choice in the first place.
According to that logic, marriage ought to be illegal, among many other things, because I know oh, so many people (both men and women) who have regretted their choice of spouse, the choice to have kids, the choice of career, the choice of tattoo.   Are you ready to outlaw all of those as well?

We make decisions that are not always the best, and sometimes we live to regret them.  And often, we realize the choice we made was the best.
Personally, I know the abortion I had was the best option at the time:  my life was a mess (one of the reasons I was pregnant in the first place), I had no means of income, I was living in a van, I was impossibly immature, and I was wise enough to know that that was absolutely no future for a child, and that I was in no condition to be a mother.  I did not enjoy the abortion, but it was a good and moral choice to make, both for me and for the baby this fetus would have become.

You make these sweeping statements about women, but don&#039;t cite your expertise:  are you an ob/gyn doc?  A counselor?  I would bet money on you being a man and never having been actually faced with this dilemma.  
It&#039;s good to know you care about women so deeply you want to protect them at all costs, as long as it&#039;s women paying the price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Frik,</p>
<p>you say you&#8217;ve met so very many women who have regretted their decision to abort, so therefore, somehow, you deduce they should be protected from further regrettable decisions and be prevented from having the choice in the first place.<br />
According to that logic, marriage ought to be illegal, among many other things, because I know oh, so many people (both men and women) who have regretted their choice of spouse, the choice to have kids, the choice of career, the choice of tattoo.   Are you ready to outlaw all of those as well?</p>
<p>We make decisions that are not always the best, and sometimes we live to regret them.  And often, we realize the choice we made was the best.<br />
Personally, I know the abortion I had was the best option at the time:  my life was a mess (one of the reasons I was pregnant in the first place), I had no means of income, I was living in a van, I was impossibly immature, and I was wise enough to know that that was absolutely no future for a child, and that I was in no condition to be a mother.  I did not enjoy the abortion, but it was a good and moral choice to make, both for me and for the baby this fetus would have become.</p>
<p>You make these sweeping statements about women, but don&#8217;t cite your expertise:  are you an ob/gyn doc?  A counselor?  I would bet money on you being a man and never having been actually faced with this dilemma.<br />
It&#8217;s good to know you care about women so deeply you want to protect them at all costs, as long as it&#8217;s women paying the price.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 19:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S.

Here&#039;s a good example of a situation where a man blames the woman for &quot;making herself vulnerable&quot; to rape(taken from a blog post on crossexamined.org):

&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Phil Weingart: &lt;/strong&gt;And I don’t want to come across as overly judgmental, but honestly? the girl who gets so drunk that she becomes a target, knows that getting drunk makes her a target, and the girl who believes the lie, knows it’s a lie.

&lt;strong&gt;Me: &lt;/strong&gt;That is a horrible thing to say. So you blame the victim?

&lt;strong&gt;Phil: &lt;/strong&gt;Look, I’m not saying that anybody deserves rape; nobody does, and the guy who does it deserves some jail time. But my GOD, you cannot POSSIBLY look at a girl’s stupid, immoral, grotesquely irresponsible dissipation of that sort and not assign some blame for putting herself into a situation where she’s completely vulnerable. Can you? What the heck is wrong with you?&lt;/em&gt;

Here&#039;s the link/citation to that conversation, if anyone cares:

http://www.crossexamined.org/blog/?p=109#comment-12117</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a good example of a situation where a man blames the woman for &#8220;making herself vulnerable&#8221; to rape(taken from a blog post on crossexamined.org):</p>
<p><em><strong>Phil Weingart: </strong>And I don’t want to come across as overly judgmental, but honestly? the girl who gets so drunk that she becomes a target, knows that getting drunk makes her a target, and the girl who believes the lie, knows it’s a lie.</p>
<p><strong>Me: </strong>That is a horrible thing to say. So you blame the victim?</p>
<p><strong>Phil: </strong>Look, I’m not saying that anybody deserves rape; nobody does, and the guy who does it deserves some jail time. But my GOD, you cannot POSSIBLY look at a girl’s stupid, immoral, grotesquely irresponsible dissipation of that sort and not assign some blame for putting herself into a situation where she’s completely vulnerable. Can you? What the heck is wrong with you?</em></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the link/citation to that conversation, if anyone cares:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.crossexamined.org/blog/?p=109#comment-12117" rel="nofollow">http://www.crossexamined.org/blog/?p=109#comment-12117</a></p>
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