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	<title>Comments on: Christian Valedictorian Who Spoke About Jesus Responds</title>
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		<title>By: David Matte</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Matte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 06:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no reason to take a good cause for celebration and turn it into a divisive piece of sectarian crap where you get to spew your moral high ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no reason to take a good cause for celebration and turn it into a divisive piece of sectarian crap where you get to spew your moral high ground.</p>
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		<title>By: gribblethemunchkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>gribblethemunchkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 13:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Wade knocks it out the park, excellent rebuttal to the nutty Erica.

The problem with Ericas mindset is that she believes that god trumps everything else. Indeed what true believer would not. People like Torqemarda could engage in the most horrific acts because they honestly believed they were saving peoples souls. Terrorists can perform suicide bombings because they believe they are doing the right thing.

How could you trust a woman like Erica if you knew that she would happily break agreements and rules if she thought the voice in her head wanted her too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Wade knocks it out the park, excellent rebuttal to the nutty Erica.</p>
<p>The problem with Ericas mindset is that she believes that god trumps everything else. Indeed what true believer would not. People like Torqemarda could engage in the most horrific acts because they honestly believed they were saving peoples souls. Terrorists can perform suicide bombings because they believe they are doing the right thing.</p>
<p>How could you trust a woman like Erica if you knew that she would happily break agreements and rules if she thought the voice in her head wanted her too.</p>
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		<title>By: Lily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just saw this while catching up with blog reading.  I knew Erica at Wheaton (in passing), and had a class with her in which she gave a speech about her high school graduation speech.  She said she had been planning it for a long time and felt that God had been leading her to say it.  As much as I think it was a stupid thing to do and the school&#039;s response was entirely lenient, I can kind of understand the mindset of following God no matter what.  After all, the only reason I went to Wheaton College was because I thought God wanted me to.  Thank God he didn&#039;t tell me I was going to become an atheist there. 

This brings up another Wheaton student who sued his high school at about the same time.  Chase Harper was suspended from his public high school in 2006 for wearing a shirt that said &quot;homosexuality is shameful&quot; in protest on the Day of Silence.  He then founded the Day of Truth together with the Alliance Defense Fund in response.  

Chase was featured on the front page of the Wheaton student newspaper during his freshman year (my senior year), along with a photo of him wearing the black t-shirt with &quot;homosexuality is shameful&quot; written on white masking tape across the front.  An hour after the newspaper came out, I was stomping through the student center in anger.  To my delight, on the student bulletin board was a huge poster board cut-out of a black t-shirt with a masking tape label that said &quot;Chase Harper is shameful&quot;.  An hour later it was gone, but I was so glad to have seen it  before it was taken down.  It gave me hope that not all of my classmates were douchebags.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just saw this while catching up with blog reading.  I knew Erica at Wheaton (in passing), and had a class with her in which she gave a speech about her high school graduation speech.  She said she had been planning it for a long time and felt that God had been leading her to say it.  As much as I think it was a stupid thing to do and the school&#8217;s response was entirely lenient, I can kind of understand the mindset of following God no matter what.  After all, the only reason I went to Wheaton College was because I thought God wanted me to.  Thank God he didn&#8217;t tell me I was going to become an atheist there. </p>
<p>This brings up another Wheaton student who sued his high school at about the same time.  Chase Harper was suspended from his public high school in 2006 for wearing a shirt that said &#8220;homosexuality is shameful&#8221; in protest on the Day of Silence.  He then founded the Day of Truth together with the Alliance Defense Fund in response.  </p>
<p>Chase was featured on the front page of the Wheaton student newspaper during his freshman year (my senior year), along with a photo of him wearing the black t-shirt with &#8220;homosexuality is shameful&#8221; written on white masking tape across the front.  An hour after the newspaper came out, I was stomping through the student center in anger.  To my delight, on the student bulletin board was a huge poster board cut-out of a black t-shirt with a masking tape label that said &#8220;Chase Harper is shameful&#8221;.  An hour later it was gone, but I was so glad to have seen it  before it was taken down.  It gave me hope that not all of my classmates were douchebags.</p>
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		<title>By: martymankins</title>
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		<dc:creator>martymankins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 23:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again, Richard Wade&#039;s response is spot on.  It wasn&#039;t what she said, but rather the rule and agreement that compromised her ethics.

I think if she would have been honest and up front and came to a compromise with the school, they would not have had any issue with a speech that wasn&#039;t outright preachy, but able to mention her beliefs in how they helped her in school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, Richard Wade&#8217;s response is spot on.  It wasn&#8217;t what she said, but rather the rule and agreement that compromised her ethics.</p>
<p>I think if she would have been honest and up front and came to a compromise with the school, they would not have had any issue with a speech that wasn&#8217;t outright preachy, but able to mention her beliefs in how they helped her in school.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom in Iowa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom in Iowa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 14:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the biggest thing Erica missed was the selection of her venue.  As if anyone remembers what ANYONE says at a HS graduation.  

Having recently attended a HS graduation where 4 students got to speak for a minute or two each - I couldn&#039;t begin to tell you what any of them said.  All my graduating daughter could recall is that one of them cried.

I do remember that it was hot and stuffy in the gym, and my butt was going numb from sitting too long, but not the content of any of the speeches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the biggest thing Erica missed was the selection of her venue.  As if anyone remembers what ANYONE says at a HS graduation.  </p>
<p>Having recently attended a HS graduation where 4 students got to speak for a minute or two each &#8211; I couldn&#8217;t begin to tell you what any of them said.  All my graduating daughter could recall is that one of them cried.</p>
<p>I do remember that it was hot and stuffy in the gym, and my butt was going numb from sitting too long, but not the content of any of the speeches.</p>
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		<title>By: AxeGrrl</title>
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		<dc:creator>AxeGrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 07:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Wade wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;There are other ways she could have handled it. She seems to have known ahead of time that her religious mini-speech would raise objections. If she had submitted an accurate draft of her intended speech, she might have been able to negotiate with the school, discuss their concerns with them and perhaps could have come up with some mutually acceptable solution. Or if the school remained adamant, she could have refused to speak at all, and publicized her protest in the local paper, putting the embarrassment on the school and putting herself in the righteous role. 

Instead, she put herself into the questionable position of at the very least implying that her religion sanctifies lying and breaking agreements, and then later in her interview with Hemant above, she stated that she’d do it again if she felt that God was calling her to do that. That remark raises a host of other objectionable implications that are much more alarming than her original tort.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



This.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Wade wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>There are other ways she could have handled it. She seems to have known ahead of time that her religious mini-speech would raise objections. If she had submitted an accurate draft of her intended speech, she might have been able to negotiate with the school, discuss their concerns with them and perhaps could have come up with some mutually acceptable solution. Or if the school remained adamant, she could have refused to speak at all, and publicized her protest in the local paper, putting the embarrassment on the school and putting herself in the righteous role. </p>
<p>Instead, she put herself into the questionable position of at the very least implying that her religion sanctifies lying and breaking agreements, and then later in her interview with Hemant above, she stated that she’d do it again if she felt that God was calling her to do that. That remark raises a host of other objectionable implications that are much more alarming than her original tort.</p></blockquote>
<p>This.</p>
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		<title>By: no2religion</title>
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		<dc:creator>no2religion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 05:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Hemant: Has this case affected you in any way in college?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Since Wheaton is a primarily fundagelical christian college I don&#039;t see why it would affect her in a negative way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hemant: Has this case affected you in any way in college?</p></blockquote>
<p>Since Wheaton is a primarily fundagelical christian college I don&#8217;t see why it would affect her in a negative way.</p>
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		<title>By: gringo</title>
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		<dc:creator>gringo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 00:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If she were to espouse her atheism I am sure there would have been an uproar.

Rules are rules and she broke them.  She not only deviated from them but she also lied.  

She took it to court and she lost.  

Again, had she espoused her belief in Islam, FSM or anything else there likely would have been an uproar and the Christians would have been leading the charge.

She not only broke the rules, but she lied.  Shame on her.

And what a waste of taxpayer dollars by taking it to court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If she were to espouse her atheism I am sure there would have been an uproar.</p>
<p>Rules are rules and she broke them.  She not only deviated from them but she also lied.  </p>
<p>She took it to court and she lost.  </p>
<p>Again, had she espoused her belief in Islam, FSM or anything else there likely would have been an uproar and the Christians would have been leading the charge.</p>
<p>She not only broke the rules, but she lied.  Shame on her.</p>
<p>And what a waste of taxpayer dollars by taking it to court.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 16:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Little John-
High School kids are just as much people as you and me. When I was 18 I was just starting to educate myself about feminism and other things that are very important to me. Just because they are young doesn&#039;t mean they shouldn&#039;t speak. We shouldn&#039;t be so cynical.

The point is that she had one speech approved and totally derailed off-topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Little John-<br />
High School kids are just as much people as you and me. When I was 18 I was just starting to educate myself about feminism and other things that are very important to me. Just because they are young doesn&#8217;t mean they shouldn&#8217;t speak. We shouldn&#8217;t be so cynical.</p>
<p>The point is that she had one speech approved and totally derailed off-topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 12:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Christian, I would have to agree with Mkb on this one. She basically lied to do what she thought was best. Two problems with that: lying is only good if you are trying to save someone&#039;s life and two, she forgot that for a Christian, the end never justifies the means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Christian, I would have to agree with Mkb on this one. She basically lied to do what she thought was best. Two problems with that: lying is only good if you are trying to save someone&#8217;s life and two, she forgot that for a Christian, the end never justifies the means.</p>
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