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	<title>Comments on: Keith Olbermann Puts Anonymous Atheist On List of Worst Persons</title>
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		<title>By: Controversial atheist subway ads come to NYC? &#171; Gotham Skeptic</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/06/30/keith-olbermann-puts-anonymous-atheist-on-list-of-worst-persons/#comment-381805</link>
		<dc:creator>Controversial atheist subway ads come to NYC? &#171; Gotham Skeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] from a few months ago, the $25,000 that funded this campaign came from an anonymous donor. Though unlike the previous bus campaign, Keith Olbermann has yet to express his outrage over this selfless [...]</description>
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		<title>By: martymankins</title>
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		<dc:creator>martymankins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the comments from everyone here that mentions for various reasons, they remain neutral to their families.  Deep rooted religious beliefs are used as a wedge, very much an &quot;US vs. THEM&quot; and creates nothing but division.  But it&#039;s a division that&#039;s hard to &quot;come out&quot; to others to, disrupting normalcy and daily life for some.

Most of my family doesn&#039;t know I&#039;m atheist, but they know I don&#039;t believe in any organized religion, so I&#039;m partially out, which is a step.

I wish we didn&#039;t have to hide our non-beliefs, but this is dealing with centuries of discrimination from the religious against anything remotely different.

Someday it will change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the comments from everyone here that mentions for various reasons, they remain neutral to their families.  Deep rooted religious beliefs are used as a wedge, very much an &#8220;US vs. THEM&#8221; and creates nothing but division.  But it&#8217;s a division that&#8217;s hard to &#8220;come out&#8221; to others to, disrupting normalcy and daily life for some.</p>
<p>Most of my family doesn&#8217;t know I&#8217;m atheist, but they know I don&#8217;t believe in any organized religion, so I&#8217;m partially out, which is a step.</p>
<p>I wish we didn&#8217;t have to hide our non-beliefs, but this is dealing with centuries of discrimination from the religious against anything remotely different.</p>
<p>Someday it will change.</p>
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		<title>By: Earl Newton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Earl Newton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 10:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on, people.  I think it&#039;s clear what&#039;s going on here.

Keith Olbermann IS THE ANONYMOUS DONATOR, and Keith Olbermann is just his secret identity!

Think about it.  Hiding in plain sight.  It&#039;s like when Bruce Wayne scoffs at the &quot;vigilante&quot; Batman.

I&#039;m onto you, Keith Olbermann...

(/goofy)

On a more serious note, I have to congratulate the person who devised the ad.  It might have gotten a lot of press, but it&#039;s not really as shocking as it could have been.  Wallpapering &quot;THERE IS NO GOD&quot; would have been a lot more offensive (just as offensive as &quot;WITHOUT JESUS YOU ARE GOING TO HELL&quot;).  It was a very pro-atheist message, not an anti-theist message, and I think there needs to be more of that.  

When you live in a society that is afraid of you, the answer isn&#039;t to scream in their faces, it&#039;s to compassionately explain that you aren&#039;t evil, you&#039;re just different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on, people.  I think it&#8217;s clear what&#8217;s going on here.</p>
<p>Keith Olbermann IS THE ANONYMOUS DONATOR, and Keith Olbermann is just his secret identity!</p>
<p>Think about it.  Hiding in plain sight.  It&#8217;s like when Bruce Wayne scoffs at the &#8220;vigilante&#8221; Batman.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m onto you, Keith Olbermann&#8230;</p>
<p>(/goofy)</p>
<p>On a more serious note, I have to congratulate the person who devised the ad.  It might have gotten a lot of press, but it&#8217;s not really as shocking as it could have been.  Wallpapering &#8220;THERE IS NO GOD&#8221; would have been a lot more offensive (just as offensive as &#8220;WITHOUT JESUS YOU ARE GOING TO HELL&#8221;).  It was a very pro-atheist message, not an anti-theist message, and I think there needs to be more of that.  </p>
<p>When you live in a society that is afraid of you, the answer isn&#8217;t to scream in their faces, it&#8217;s to compassionately explain that you aren&#8217;t evil, you&#8217;re just different.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 09:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its to promote atheists coming out yet the person unwilling to identify themselves is the worse person...the anonymous atheist keeps us all in the closet, or shadows, and as long as they remain there then the rest of us are to some degree &quot;unseen&quot; in the closet or hiding.

coming out i know for some may be a big choice and a life changing one but for me its the best thing that i could have ever done! remaining anonymouse for me, my life was miserable... i encourage all anonymous atheists to come out</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its to promote atheists coming out yet the person unwilling to identify themselves is the worse person&#8230;the anonymous atheist keeps us all in the closet, or shadows, and as long as they remain there then the rest of us are to some degree &#8220;unseen&#8221; in the closet or hiding.</p>
<p>coming out i know for some may be a big choice and a life changing one but for me its the best thing that i could have ever done! remaining anonymouse for me, my life was miserable&#8230; i encourage all anonymous atheists to come out</p>
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		<title>By: Revyloution</title>
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		<dc:creator>Revyloution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 04:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I found quite telling is not the segment about the bus add, but the segment following concerning Rush Limbaugh.  Oberman, offering advice that he might be nearing another delusional crisis,  suggested that he seek counsel from a clergy man.

I might be trying to read too much between the lines, but this seemed to me to be a dig at atheism.  First, calling a charitable atheist  a &#039;worst&#039; then suggesting that a bit o&#039; churchin up might benefit Limbaugh doesn&#039;t seem that friendly to the godless movement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I found quite telling is not the segment about the bus add, but the segment following concerning Rush Limbaugh.  Oberman, offering advice that he might be nearing another delusional crisis,  suggested that he seek counsel from a clergy man.</p>
<p>I might be trying to read too much between the lines, but this seemed to me to be a dig at atheism.  First, calling a charitable atheist  a &#8216;worst&#8217; then suggesting that a bit o&#8217; churchin up might benefit Limbaugh doesn&#8217;t seem that friendly to the godless movement.</p>
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		<title>By: Saint Gasoline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saint Gasoline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s also the possibility that the donor isn&#039;t even an atheist.

Imagine someone donating a large sum of money to an &quot;out&quot; campaign for gays.  Would Olbermann criticize the donor for remaining anonymous then?  Some people can&#039;t afford to come out to their families, coworkers, and town.  They donate to these causes to help change that fact, to change the world to such a place where, in the future, they can come out in the open without fearing any social repurcussions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s also the possibility that the donor isn&#8217;t even an atheist.</p>
<p>Imagine someone donating a large sum of money to an &#8220;out&#8221; campaign for gays.  Would Olbermann criticize the donor for remaining anonymous then?  Some people can&#8217;t afford to come out to their families, coworkers, and town.  They donate to these causes to help change that fact, to change the world to such a place where, in the future, they can come out in the open without fearing any social repurcussions.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work at a place where my manager has a bible on his desk and can&#039;t go two sentences without mentioning his god&#039;s plan for him.  If he were to discover I were an Atheist I might very easily lose my job.  So instead I just smile and nod because I like feeding my family and keeping a roof over their heads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work at a place where my manager has a bible on his desk and can&#8217;t go two sentences without mentioning his god&#8217;s plan for him.  If he were to discover I were an Atheist I might very easily lose my job.  So instead I just smile and nod because I like feeding my family and keeping a roof over their heads.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alright, I would like to go ahead and take credit for the donation.  It was wrong to pretend it wasn&#039;t me, when I could have been showing off and letting everyone know how much better than them I am because I have a lot of money.

Just kidding (if only...)

I wouldn&#039;t tell, though, even if I did have the money, because I don&#039;t think people should know what kind of money you have.  I think if I were to be publicly associated with huge donations, all rounds would be on me forevermore.  Further, in college I knew a girl whose parents always donated hugely to our department, which we knew about, and there were always rumors going around that her achievements were based on that fact.  She was talented, but the doubt was always there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright, I would like to go ahead and take credit for the donation.  It was wrong to pretend it wasn&#8217;t me, when I could have been showing off and letting everyone know how much better than them I am because I have a lot of money.</p>
<p>Just kidding (if only&#8230;)</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t tell, though, even if I did have the money, because I don&#8217;t think people should know what kind of money you have.  I think if I were to be publicly associated with huge donations, all rounds would be on me forevermore.  Further, in college I knew a girl whose parents always donated hugely to our department, which we knew about, and there were always rumors going around that her achievements were based on that fact.  She was talented, but the doubt was always there.</p>
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		<title>By: Notagod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Notagod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mitchell,

Olbermann&#039;s only point was that the person that paid for the ads was anonymous, which was odd because the spokesman said part of the purpose of the ad was to get atheists out of the closet. Olbermann simply made an error of associating anonymous donating with being a closet atheist. He simply didn&#039;t think it through completely.

He did state that he had no complaint with the ad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mitchell,</p>
<p>Olbermann&#8217;s only point was that the person that paid for the ads was anonymous, which was odd because the spokesman said part of the purpose of the ad was to get atheists out of the closet. Olbermann simply made an error of associating anonymous donating with being a closet atheist. He simply didn&#8217;t think it through completely.</p>
<p>He did state that he had no complaint with the ad.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Olbermann is such a jackass. I&#039;m liberal, and sometimes I find his show entertaining, but he&#039;s just so full of himself and full of shit. Unlike Hemant, I do take this seriously, although of course I take nothing from Olbermann too seriously.

Think about it: an atheist makes his list of &quot;worst people&quot; because he promotes a message saying atheists aren&#039;t necessarily bad people?? Not only is it patently absurd to believe otherwise, but it&#039;s depressing to think that no real argument needs to be made on Olbermann&#039;s part (or anyone who claims all atheists are immoral). He will not be held accountable, and few other figures in the media will have the courage to defend atheism. It&#039;s simply assumed that atheism and immorality are identical. There must not even be room for debate in their minds, since the very act of donating to this ad campaign apparently makes this person immoral.

Believe me, I get the irony of an anonymous donor and what the spokesperson said about getting people to stop hiding their atheism. I suppose I just didn&#039;t realize irony qualified one for being a terrible person. Nor did I realize privacy wasn&#039;t actually a right in this country; instead it&#039;s apparently a sign of immorality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Olbermann is such a jackass. I&#8217;m liberal, and sometimes I find his show entertaining, but he&#8217;s just so full of himself and full of shit. Unlike Hemant, I do take this seriously, although of course I take nothing from Olbermann too seriously.</p>
<p>Think about it: an atheist makes his list of &#8220;worst people&#8221; because he promotes a message saying atheists aren&#8217;t necessarily bad people?? Not only is it patently absurd to believe otherwise, but it&#8217;s depressing to think that no real argument needs to be made on Olbermann&#8217;s part (or anyone who claims all atheists are immoral). He will not be held accountable, and few other figures in the media will have the courage to defend atheism. It&#8217;s simply assumed that atheism and immorality are identical. There must not even be room for debate in their minds, since the very act of donating to this ad campaign apparently makes this person immoral.</p>
<p>Believe me, I get the irony of an anonymous donor and what the spokesperson said about getting people to stop hiding their atheism. I suppose I just didn&#8217;t realize irony qualified one for being a terrible person. Nor did I realize privacy wasn&#8217;t actually a right in this country; instead it&#8217;s apparently a sign of immorality.</p>
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