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	<title>Comments on: Why Are Atheists in the Alternative Spirituality/Occult Section?</title>
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	<description>by Hemant Mehta</description>
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		<title>By: Neon Genesis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neon Genesis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Also Satanism is a branch of Christianity. Satanists believe in God, they just think he’s a shit and Satan offers an opportunity to combat him.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I though Satanists were technically atheists and only saw Satan in a symbolic sense representing independence or something like that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Also Satanism is a branch of Christianity. Satanists believe in God, they just think he’s a shit and Satan offers an opportunity to combat him.</p></blockquote>
<p>I though Satanists were technically atheists and only saw Satan in a symbolic sense representing independence or something like that?</p>
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		<title>By: hoverfrog</title>
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		<dc:creator>hoverfrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;That’s another problem right there. Atheists YOU know.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Well there are an awful lot of unbelievers in the world and I&#039;m never going to know all of them so you&#039;ll forgive me for judging a group on the members that I&#039;ve had contact with.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I think there are a whole lot of atheists out there you don’t know who make atheism into something very occult-ritualistic-lifestyle-ish. &lt;/blockquote&gt;OK, please stop there.  First atheism isn&#039;t much of anything in itself.  Atheism is NOT a belief in gods.  The only reason that Dawkins, Harris, Mehta, etc have anyone buying their books is because the position of unbelief is viewed as unusual and people seek to understand it.  One day, maybe in a generation or two, when theistic belief is considered abnormal by the majority they&#039;ll look back at these books as a curious anachronism.

I mean people actually believe in gods and other people write about how they don&#039;t and how unbelief is a good thing.  How very curious for people to behave like that.

&lt;blockquote&gt;they do not share the stipulation of freethought and skepticism you seem to assume it takes for someone to be an atheist.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Not at all, skepticism and freethought are simply correlated well with atheists. Perhaps atheists are more likely to be freethinkers or perhaps freethinkers are more likely to tend to atheism.  There will always be exception of course.  Some people raised without faith will certainly be gullible and buy into spirituality or Wicca but at least they won&#039;t also have the beliefs in gods to go with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>That’s another problem right there. Atheists YOU know.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well there are an awful lot of unbelievers in the world and I&#8217;m never going to know all of them so you&#8217;ll forgive me for judging a group on the members that I&#8217;ve had contact with.</p>
<blockquote><p>I think there are a whole lot of atheists out there you don’t know who make atheism into something very occult-ritualistic-lifestyle-ish. </p></blockquote>
<p>OK, please stop there.  First atheism isn&#8217;t much of anything in itself.  Atheism is NOT a belief in gods.  The only reason that Dawkins, Harris, Mehta, etc have anyone buying their books is because the position of unbelief is viewed as unusual and people seek to understand it.  One day, maybe in a generation or two, when theistic belief is considered abnormal by the majority they&#8217;ll look back at these books as a curious anachronism.</p>
<p>I mean people actually believe in gods and other people write about how they don&#8217;t and how unbelief is a good thing.  How very curious for people to behave like that.</p>
<blockquote><p>they do not share the stipulation of freethought and skepticism you seem to assume it takes for someone to be an atheist.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not at all, skepticism and freethought are simply correlated well with atheists. Perhaps atheists are more likely to be freethinkers or perhaps freethinkers are more likely to tend to atheism.  There will always be exception of course.  Some people raised without faith will certainly be gullible and buy into spirituality or Wicca but at least they won&#8217;t also have the beliefs in gods to go with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Delphine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Delphine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only is it weird Atheism&#039;s listed, witchcraft and Satanism shouldn&#039;t be listed either. 

There is at least one Satanist serving in the British Army, and I think these self proclaimed Satanists aren&#039;t exactly the &quot;evil&quot; kind. 

Now... if they were to list Scientology, I&#039;d be all for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only is it weird Atheism&#8217;s listed, witchcraft and Satanism shouldn&#8217;t be listed either. </p>
<p>There is at least one Satanist serving in the British Army, and I think these self proclaimed Satanists aren&#8217;t exactly the &#8220;evil&#8221; kind. </p>
<p>Now&#8230; if they were to list Scientology, I&#8217;d be all for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Dearie me Tom…most atheists that I know are not mad at xtianity. They have simply found so many fallacies in it that they were able to reject it as a valid view point. Then looking further at theism in general were able to do the same. The only mad comes when we are misrepresented and vilified by religionists, and when religionists use their creeds to justify public policies that are dangerous and/or misleading.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I hope you&#039;re not assuming I&#039;m Christian or a theist here.  I&#039;m an atheist
&lt;blockquote&gt;...most atheists that I know...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s another problem right there.  Atheists YOU know.  I think there are a whole lot of atheists out there you don&#039;t know who make atheism into something very occult-ritualistic-lifestyle-ish.  I don&#039;t know how to say it right, but they do not share the stipulation of &lt;em&gt;freethought&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;skepticism&lt;/em&gt; you seem to assume it takes for someone to be an atheist.

This is dangerous, I&#039;m simply pointing it out.  Unintentional as it may be, glorifying atheism is a mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Dearie me Tom…most atheists that I know are not mad at xtianity. They have simply found so many fallacies in it that they were able to reject it as a valid view point. Then looking further at theism in general were able to do the same. The only mad comes when we are misrepresented and vilified by religionists, and when religionists use their creeds to justify public policies that are dangerous and/or misleading.</p></blockquote>
<p>I hope you&#8217;re not assuming I&#8217;m Christian or a theist here.  I&#8217;m an atheist</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;most atheists that I know&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s another problem right there.  Atheists YOU know.  I think there are a whole lot of atheists out there you don&#8217;t know who make atheism into something very occult-ritualistic-lifestyle-ish.  I don&#8217;t know how to say it right, but they do not share the stipulation of <em>freethought</em> and <em>skepticism</em> you seem to assume it takes for someone to be an atheist.</p>
<p>This is dangerous, I&#8217;m simply pointing it out.  Unintentional as it may be, glorifying atheism is a mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: cathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is clearly religious discrimination. You&#039;re allowed to look at Christian, Hindu, Muslim, and Jewish sites,but if you want to look at your religious site as a wiccan, pagan, or satanist you&#039;re banned.  Atheists banned too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is clearly religious discrimination. You&#8217;re allowed to look at Christian, Hindu, Muslim, and Jewish sites,but if you want to look at your religious site as a wiccan, pagan, or satanist you&#8217;re banned.  Atheists banned too.</p>
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		<title>By: hoverfrog</title>
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		<dc:creator>hoverfrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, I&#039;m afraid I lump Christianity in with all the other religions so, for me, atheism is an alternative to the group that contains Christianity.  Christians believe in one or three gods, Muslims believe in one god, Hindus believe on one or loads of gods.  I don&#039;t believe in any.  My view is therefore an alternative view to theirs.  Perhaps I should be more careful with my language.

I don&#039;t know any atheists who are angry at any gods though.  Nor do I know any that reserve their opposition merely to the Christian viewpoint.  Although many have good reasons to feel negatively about Christianity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, I&#8217;m afraid I lump Christianity in with all the other religions so, for me, atheism is an alternative to the group that contains Christianity.  Christians believe in one or three gods, Muslims believe in one god, Hindus believe on one or loads of gods.  I don&#8217;t believe in any.  My view is therefore an alternative view to theirs.  Perhaps I should be more careful with my language.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know any atheists who are angry at any gods though.  Nor do I know any that reserve their opposition merely to the Christian viewpoint.  Although many have good reasons to feel negatively about Christianity.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dearie me Tom...most atheists that I know are not mad at xtianity. They have simply found so many fallacies in it that they were able to reject it as a valid view point. Then looking further at theism in general were able to do the same. The only mad comes when we are misrepresented and vilified by religionists, and when religionists use their creeds to justify public policies that are dangerous and/or misleading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dearie me Tom&#8230;most atheists that I know are not mad at xtianity. They have simply found so many fallacies in it that they were able to reject it as a valid view point. Then looking further at theism in general were able to do the same. The only mad comes when we are misrepresented and vilified by religionists, and when religionists use their creeds to justify public policies that are dangerous and/or misleading.</p>
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		<title>By: John Perkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Perkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m more concerned that this person&#039;s work is blocking anything to do with alternatives to traditional theism than where they categorize atheism. Why are they blocking witchcraft or satanist websites in the first place? Is Fox News blocked for being a religious website? Are all religious sites blocked, or just non-Christian sites?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m more concerned that this person&#8217;s work is blocking anything to do with alternatives to traditional theism than where they categorize atheism. Why are they blocking witchcraft or satanist websites in the first place? Is Fox News blocked for being a religious website? Are all religious sites blocked, or just non-Christian sites?</p>
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		<title>By: TXatheist</title>
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		<dc:creator>TXatheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It depends on the guy/gal who made up the category.  Some of our local bookstores put Behe&#039;s books under science when they really go under christianity/religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It depends on the guy/gal who made up the category.  Some of our local bookstores put Behe&#8217;s books under science when they really go under christianity/religion.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Well atheism is certainly an alternative to Christianity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

NO it&#039;s NOT.  THAT is the problem right there.  It is an alternative to THEISM.  When people get mad at Christianity, sometimes they become atheist as an &quot;alternative,&quot; along with the satanists and wiccans.  It isn&#039;t really a very rational choice for these people, but an emotional one.  They&#039;re mad.  So I am totally not surprised, nor that peeved that atheism is lumped in with those other belief systems.  I am mad at enough other atheists about their reasons for being atheist that I think they deserve being lumped in that category.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Well atheism is certainly an alternative to Christianity.</p></blockquote>
<p>NO it&#8217;s NOT.  THAT is the problem right there.  It is an alternative to THEISM.  When people get mad at Christianity, sometimes they become atheist as an &#8220;alternative,&#8221; along with the satanists and wiccans.  It isn&#8217;t really a very rational choice for these people, but an emotional one.  They&#8217;re mad.  So I am totally not surprised, nor that peeved that atheism is lumped in with those other belief systems.  I am mad at enough other atheists about their reasons for being atheist that I think they deserve being lumped in that category.</p>
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