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	<title>Comments on: What&#8217;s Always Included in Your &#8220;Atheist Testimonial&#8221;?</title>
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	<description>by Hemant Mehta</description>
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		<title>By: efrique</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/07/04/whats-always-included-in-your-atheist-testimonial/#comment-326134</link>
		<dc:creator>efrique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure I have a common thread, because there are so many different ways to ask about it. 

There are a few things I tend to talk about more often, which may indicate a more common kind of question.

- You don&#039;t need &quot;evidence of absence&quot; not to believe in something (then give examples by pointing to things the asker doesn&#039;t believe in - in spite of no evidence to the contrary - including, for example, every other religion&#039;s gods). I join them in their many disbeliefs in spite of not always having evidence to the contrary.

- Often quote Sagan&#039;s &quot;extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence&quot;, and point out that it&#039;s the ultimate in extraordinary claims.

- I say I agree with their nonbelief in other people&#039;s gods for that reason... but I also agree with the other fellow&#039;s disbelief in theirs for the same reason.

- there&#039;s usually some misconceptions about atheism to clear up - but often different onse each time. Common ones include nihilism, anger (though I point out that there&#039;s no lack of things for atheists to be rightly cranky about), being angry with god (!), not wanting any rules, ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I have a common thread, because there are so many different ways to ask about it. </p>
<p>There are a few things I tend to talk about more often, which may indicate a more common kind of question.</p>
<p>- You don&#8217;t need &#8220;evidence of absence&#8221; not to believe in something (then give examples by pointing to things the asker doesn&#8217;t believe in &#8211; in spite of no evidence to the contrary &#8211; including, for example, every other religion&#8217;s gods). I join them in their many disbeliefs in spite of not always having evidence to the contrary.</p>
<p>- Often quote Sagan&#8217;s &#8220;extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence&#8221;, and point out that it&#8217;s the ultimate in extraordinary claims.</p>
<p>- I say I agree with their nonbelief in other people&#8217;s gods for that reason&#8230; but I also agree with the other fellow&#8217;s disbelief in theirs for the same reason.</p>
<p>- there&#8217;s usually some misconceptions about atheism to clear up &#8211; but often different onse each time. Common ones include nihilism, anger (though I point out that there&#8217;s no lack of things for atheists to be rightly cranky about), being angry with god (!), not wanting any rules, &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John L.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like to tell me that that just like them I don&#039;t believe in most of the bible. Except for me I don&#039;t believe in the parts about our past or any of the supernatural parts. 

This sometimes gets people to shut up since they know they don&#039;t believe in much of the bible either. Or they may argue this fact since they have never actually read the bible themselves. I&#039;ve encountered people that the only thing they know is to have Jesus in your heart and that he died for our sins. Everything else comes from their pastor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to tell me that that just like them I don&#8217;t believe in most of the bible. Except for me I don&#8217;t believe in the parts about our past or any of the supernatural parts. </p>
<p>This sometimes gets people to shut up since they know they don&#8217;t believe in much of the bible either. Or they may argue this fact since they have never actually read the bible themselves. I&#8217;ve encountered people that the only thing they know is to have Jesus in your heart and that he died for our sins. Everything else comes from their pastor.</p>
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		<title>By: Raze</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably the time in eighth grade (I went to catholic school 1-8 grades) when our religion books had a diagram of concentric circles. The innermost was god, then catholics, protestants, jews, muslims, etc. I just found it ridiculous that they had ranked themselves the closest and most loved by a god they shared with hundreds of other sects, not to mention I&#039;d been taught for years that god loved everyone equally. That was the first big seed of doubt in my ideology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably the time in eighth grade (I went to catholic school 1-8 grades) when our religion books had a diagram of concentric circles. The innermost was god, then catholics, protestants, jews, muslims, etc. I just found it ridiculous that they had ranked themselves the closest and most loved by a god they shared with hundreds of other sects, not to mention I&#8217;d been taught for years that god loved everyone equally. That was the first big seed of doubt in my ideology.</p>
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		<title>By: sc0tt</title>
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		<dc:creator>sc0tt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 01:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got honest with myself and realized that I simply wanted to believe the story so much that I had convinced myself that it was true.

I got honest with myself and realized that I had never had anything that I would consider to be acknowledgement from god.

I got honest with myself and realized that I had been fooling myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got honest with myself and realized that I simply wanted to believe the story so much that I had convinced myself that it was true.</p>
<p>I got honest with myself and realized that I had never had anything that I would consider to be acknowledgement from god.</p>
<p>I got honest with myself and realized that I had been fooling myself.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnFrost</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/07/04/whats-always-included-in-your-atheist-testimonial/#comment-325795</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnFrost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 01:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never realized it before, but it&#039;s true--I do emphasize different aspects of my &quot;atheist testimonial&quot; depending on who I&#039;m talking to.

I think the point that pushed me over the edge from deist to atheist, that I always include, was reading Stephen Hawking&#039;s &quot;Brief History of Time&quot; and learning about evolution--when the gaps started shrinking, god just seemed so superfluous.
(The journey from fundie to deist was a lot more complicated, though, and so that story may or may not get emphasis)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never realized it before, but it&#8217;s true&#8211;I do emphasize different aspects of my &#8220;atheist testimonial&#8221; depending on who I&#8217;m talking to.</p>
<p>I think the point that pushed me over the edge from deist to atheist, that I always include, was reading Stephen Hawking&#8217;s &#8220;Brief History of Time&#8221; and learning about evolution&#8211;when the gaps started shrinking, god just seemed so superfluous.<br />
(The journey from fundie to deist was a lot more complicated, though, and so that story may or may not get emphasis)</p>
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		<title>By: Ex Partiot</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/07/04/whats-always-included-in-your-atheist-testimonial/#comment-325689</link>
		<dc:creator>Ex Partiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was born a atheist and nobody in my family tried to change that. As I grew older I could find no reason to believe in fairy tales and the rest of the nonsense spewed out by the churches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was born a atheist and nobody in my family tried to change that. As I grew older I could find no reason to believe in fairy tales and the rest of the nonsense spewed out by the churches.</p>
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		<title>By: chanson</title>
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		<dc:creator>chanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It&#039;s not about proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that &#039;God&#039; does not exist.  It is perfectly reasonable to have an opinion on the existence/non-existence of the supernatural, I&#039;ve looked at the evidence, and this is the conclusion that I&#039;ve reached.&quot;

That&#039;s the phrasing I use for theists, but I said essentially the same thing in &lt;a href=&quot;http://lfab-uvm.blogspot.com/2007/05/how-i-became-atheist.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;how I became an atheist&lt;/a&gt;, which I wrote for a general audience (including atheists).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s not about proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that &#8216;God&#8217; does not exist.  It is perfectly reasonable to have an opinion on the existence/non-existence of the supernatural, I&#8217;ve looked at the evidence, and this is the conclusion that I&#8217;ve reached.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the phrasing I use for theists, but I said essentially the same thing in <a href="http://lfab-uvm.blogspot.com/2007/05/how-i-became-atheist.html" rel="nofollow">how I became an atheist</a>, which I wrote for a general audience (including atheists).</p>
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		<title>By: CJ :)</title>
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		<dc:creator>CJ :)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Theism just doesn&#039;t make sense.  

Usually I don&#039;t get an answer to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theism just doesn&#8217;t make sense.  </p>
<p>Usually I don&#8217;t get an answer to that.</p>
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		<title>By: Layzie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Layzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 08:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because that&#039;s the way god made me!!! LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because that&#8217;s the way god made me!!! LOL</p>
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		<title>By: CatBallou</title>
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		<dc:creator>CatBallou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 07:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Science fiction!
At an early age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Science fiction!<br />
At an early age.</p>
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