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		<title>By: JulietEcho</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/08/08/polyamory-and-polygamy/#comment-464241</link>
		<dc:creator>JulietEcho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 20:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Thegoodman - I think what&#039;s important is being honest with your partner(s) about what you can and can&#039;t handle.  If both partners are willing and happy to pledge monogamy forever, then great!  If both are willing and happy to have a polyamorous relationship, then great!  

The problem is that many people aren&#039;t honest about what they want (or don&#039;t know what they want) and end up resenting their partner for something they signed up for.  People who want monogamy (or are willing to be monogamous for the right person) should be with other people who want monogamy, plain and simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Thegoodman &#8211; I think what&#8217;s important is being honest with your partner(s) about what you can and can&#8217;t handle.  If both partners are willing and happy to pledge monogamy forever, then great!  If both are willing and happy to have a polyamorous relationship, then great!  </p>
<p>The problem is that many people aren&#8217;t honest about what they want (or don&#8217;t know what they want) and end up resenting their partner for something they signed up for.  People who want monogamy (or are willing to be monogamous for the right person) should be with other people who want monogamy, plain and simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Thegoodman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thegoodman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 13:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel that the key to polyamory is releasing yourself from any amount of jealousy.

This is impossible for most people so the happy open relationship tends to end when 1 of the 2 people is acting jealously.  Personally I feel that I am capable of an open relationship but I know that my fiance is not.  This is a situation where there is no real compromise, she calls the shots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel that the key to polyamory is releasing yourself from any amount of jealousy.</p>
<p>This is impossible for most people so the happy open relationship tends to end when 1 of the 2 people is acting jealously.  Personally I feel that I am capable of an open relationship but I know that my fiance is not.  This is a situation where there is no real compromise, she calls the shots.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 04:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, JulietEcho, for a very well-written, intelligent article on polyamory and polyfidelity.

Someone asked how young a person might be when they realize that monogamy is not their thing. I was nine years old when I first understood that monogamy would not be my preferred path in this lifetime. I had no cultural reference for this. My parents had then (and still do now) a very traditional American marriage. None of their friends, none of my relatives, were polyamorists. In fact, no one had even mentioned such a word to me before, but I can still remember that day when I realized it, where I was at, and what a revelation it was to me.

I&#039;ve only personally known of one polyamorous relationship that came to a bad end, and I believe that it was doomed from the start. One of my friends suggested to her new husband that they live as one family unit with another couple shortly after they were married. My friend had a long and close history with this other couple, while her husband was new to them. They had no time alone to establish their own relationship before they got involved in other relationships. Sadly, both couples involved are getting divorces, and my friend plans to marry the other husband eventually. On the other hand, one of my closest friends has been a &quot;secondary consort&quot; as she and her partners phrase it, for nearly a decade, and there has been no hint of cheating, jealousy, separation, or divorce. I also know of a &quot;foursome&quot; who have been functioning as one, stable family unit for the better part of two decades, including the joint raising of all children born to their family unit. 

Roughly nine out of ten of my friends in &quot;traditional&quot; relationships have endured cheating, separations, and/or divorces.

In my case, my husband and I gave ourselves time to get to know one another and establish a solid relationship before we decided to bring anyone else into the mix. We were open and honest with one another from the start, though, and we entered this marriage knowing that neither of us believed love could be limited by number or gender (provided that we&#039;re talking about consenting adults, and only consenting adults, that is). We do not date people separately, and we never go forward with anything unless both of our hearts are in it. We honestly hope to eventually find one or two other people to join us on a permanent basis, people with whom we can share love and respect. 

Thank you again for sharing this with your readers.

Cheers!

Melissa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, JulietEcho, for a very well-written, intelligent article on polyamory and polyfidelity.</p>
<p>Someone asked how young a person might be when they realize that monogamy is not their thing. I was nine years old when I first understood that monogamy would not be my preferred path in this lifetime. I had no cultural reference for this. My parents had then (and still do now) a very traditional American marriage. None of their friends, none of my relatives, were polyamorists. In fact, no one had even mentioned such a word to me before, but I can still remember that day when I realized it, where I was at, and what a revelation it was to me.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve only personally known of one polyamorous relationship that came to a bad end, and I believe that it was doomed from the start. One of my friends suggested to her new husband that they live as one family unit with another couple shortly after they were married. My friend had a long and close history with this other couple, while her husband was new to them. They had no time alone to establish their own relationship before they got involved in other relationships. Sadly, both couples involved are getting divorces, and my friend plans to marry the other husband eventually. On the other hand, one of my closest friends has been a &#8220;secondary consort&#8221; as she and her partners phrase it, for nearly a decade, and there has been no hint of cheating, jealousy, separation, or divorce. I also know of a &#8220;foursome&#8221; who have been functioning as one, stable family unit for the better part of two decades, including the joint raising of all children born to their family unit. </p>
<p>Roughly nine out of ten of my friends in &#8220;traditional&#8221; relationships have endured cheating, separations, and/or divorces.</p>
<p>In my case, my husband and I gave ourselves time to get to know one another and establish a solid relationship before we decided to bring anyone else into the mix. We were open and honest with one another from the start, though, and we entered this marriage knowing that neither of us believed love could be limited by number or gender (provided that we&#8217;re talking about consenting adults, and only consenting adults, that is). We do not date people separately, and we never go forward with anything unless both of our hearts are in it. We honestly hope to eventually find one or two other people to join us on a permanent basis, people with whom we can share love and respect. </p>
<p>Thank you again for sharing this with your readers.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
<p>Melissa</p>
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		<title>By: Beloved Spear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beloved Spear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might work for a few folks, but from my observations it&#039;s just too damn complicated.  Even if you can get beyond the often oppressive gender power dynamics, the emotional interweavings don&#039;t lend themselves to stability.  More complex systems are inherently more difficult to maintain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might work for a few folks, but from my observations it&#8217;s just too damn complicated.  Even if you can get beyond the often oppressive gender power dynamics, the emotional interweavings don&#8217;t lend themselves to stability.  More complex systems are inherently more difficult to maintain.</p>
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		<title>By: DexX</title>
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		<dc:creator>DexX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 23:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just moved into a newly-built house with my wife, her boyfriend, and my boyfriend.  My wife also has a girlfriend, and my boyfriend is married, though they were legally separated for a few years and are in the process of patching things up.  My wife&#039;s girlfriend is married, plus she has another partner, who may have other partners (I&#039;m not sure).  We&#039;re a mix of straight and bisexual, and a few people in the network are happily monogamous but have no issues with their partner being poly.

It works.  We&#039;re stable, happy, and as free from melodrama as your average monogamous people.  It helps that we&#039;re individually quite sane and drama-averse, and we all approach our relationships with peace and happiness in mind.

Many of us are also active in our local poly community, being part of various committees and contact groups.  A few of us like to think of ourselves as poly ambassadors, and our happy little family unit has been described by friends as &quot;poly poster children&quot;.

As for legalisation, well, I have no delusions.  We can&#039;t even get same-sex marriage off the ground here in Australia, so I&#039;m not holding my breath for legal plural marriage.  I&#039;d love to marry my wonderful boyfriend the same as I am married to my wonderful wife, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s even worth pursuing yet.  Let&#039;s get same-sex marriage legalised first, have a rest, and then think about where to go next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just moved into a newly-built house with my wife, her boyfriend, and my boyfriend.  My wife also has a girlfriend, and my boyfriend is married, though they were legally separated for a few years and are in the process of patching things up.  My wife&#8217;s girlfriend is married, plus she has another partner, who may have other partners (I&#8217;m not sure).  We&#8217;re a mix of straight and bisexual, and a few people in the network are happily monogamous but have no issues with their partner being poly.</p>
<p>It works.  We&#8217;re stable, happy, and as free from melodrama as your average monogamous people.  It helps that we&#8217;re individually quite sane and drama-averse, and we all approach our relationships with peace and happiness in mind.</p>
<p>Many of us are also active in our local poly community, being part of various committees and contact groups.  A few of us like to think of ourselves as poly ambassadors, and our happy little family unit has been described by friends as &#8220;poly poster children&#8221;.</p>
<p>As for legalisation, well, I have no delusions.  We can&#8217;t even get same-sex marriage off the ground here in Australia, so I&#8217;m not holding my breath for legal plural marriage.  I&#8217;d love to marry my wonderful boyfriend the same as I am married to my wonderful wife, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s even worth pursuing yet.  Let&#8217;s get same-sex marriage legalised first, have a rest, and then think about where to go next.</p>
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		<title>By: JulietEcho</title>
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		<dc:creator>JulietEcho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 02:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lola - I think that every person who learns about the existence of polyamory is another step in the right direction.  And kudos to having smart, well-rounded kids.  Whether they&#039;re all &quot;parents&quot; or not, having lots of positive, loving adult role models is a plus for any kid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lola &#8211; I think that every person who learns about the existence of polyamory is another step in the right direction.  And kudos to having smart, well-rounded kids.  Whether they&#8217;re all &#8220;parents&#8221; or not, having lots of positive, loving adult role models is a plus for any kid.</p>
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		<title>By: lola</title>
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		<dc:creator>lola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you for posting this. i&#039;m part of a polyfamily with 4 children &amp; 4 adults. people aren&#039;t usually sure what to think of things like this &amp; it&#039;s really hard to tell people (especially in our small town) because you&#039;re constantly worried what would happen to the children. it&#039;s not immoral or awful, this home has more love than any of our biological families ever gave us growing up. &amp; they are the smartest most well rounded children i know. i hope one day we can all be accepted for who we are because not being able to be &#039;out&#039; can suck sometimes. but mostly we just want to share each other with the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you for posting this. i&#8217;m part of a polyfamily with 4 children &amp; 4 adults. people aren&#8217;t usually sure what to think of things like this &amp; it&#8217;s really hard to tell people (especially in our small town) because you&#8217;re constantly worried what would happen to the children. it&#8217;s not immoral or awful, this home has more love than any of our biological families ever gave us growing up. &amp; they are the smartest most well rounded children i know. i hope one day we can all be accepted for who we are because not being able to be &#8216;out&#8217; can suck sometimes. but mostly we just want to share each other with the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Eve L. Incarnata</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eve L. Incarnata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 02:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Polyamorous/ethically non-monogamous people now have a group on Atheist Nexus.

Feel free to join us (or not) in the Atheist Nexus &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.atheistnexus.org/group/polyamory&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Polyamory group&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Polyamorous/ethically non-monogamous people now have a group on Atheist Nexus.</p>
<p>Feel free to join us (or not) in the Atheist Nexus <a href="http://www.atheistnexus.org/group/polyamory" rel="nofollow">Polyamory group</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: polyfulcrum</title>
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		<dc:creator>polyfulcrum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 21:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So far as the point about deciding who would be in charge of medical decisions in a multi-family household, might I suggest that the person who is most competent to make those decisions be tapped?  

One of my partners is more medically oriented than the other, and while I am certain that he would consult my other (also male) partner, I&#039;m more comfortable with the person who has the skills making the final calls. These things are pretty simple to note on legal paperwork. 

In my household, there are two male partners, who are not involved physically with each other, and myself, the female person in the &quot;fulcrum&quot; position between them, plus the two children we raise together, not to mention the dogs!  One man has been my partner for over 15 years, and the other for 2 1/2.  Everyone is free to date outside the household as they desire.

It&#039;s been my experience observing the poly community that it is &lt;em&gt;extraordinarily&lt;/em&gt; gender-equity oriented.  Any man who thinks he&#039;s getting into poly to have hawt threesome action with his wife and other chicks is in for a rude awakening!  

It might not be the simplest way to go about loving and living, but I find it to be the most rewarding and enriching, with the best opportunities to explore and experience personal growth.  While we don&#039;t have legal recognition of all of our relationships, the legal documentation to support many of the &quot;rights&quot; afforded to married couples is in place.  I&#039;d encourage any polyamorous households to do the same.

We&#039;re also out to daycare, teachers, and all sets of grandparents, primarily as a way to defuse any negative leverage points with our children.  It&#039;s not always easy, but it is achievable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So far as the point about deciding who would be in charge of medical decisions in a multi-family household, might I suggest that the person who is most competent to make those decisions be tapped?  </p>
<p>One of my partners is more medically oriented than the other, and while I am certain that he would consult my other (also male) partner, I&#8217;m more comfortable with the person who has the skills making the final calls. These things are pretty simple to note on legal paperwork. </p>
<p>In my household, there are two male partners, who are not involved physically with each other, and myself, the female person in the &#8220;fulcrum&#8221; position between them, plus the two children we raise together, not to mention the dogs!  One man has been my partner for over 15 years, and the other for 2 1/2.  Everyone is free to date outside the household as they desire.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been my experience observing the poly community that it is <em>extraordinarily</em> gender-equity oriented.  Any man who thinks he&#8217;s getting into poly to have hawt threesome action with his wife and other chicks is in for a rude awakening!  </p>
<p>It might not be the simplest way to go about loving and living, but I find it to be the most rewarding and enriching, with the best opportunities to explore and experience personal growth.  While we don&#8217;t have legal recognition of all of our relationships, the legal documentation to support many of the &#8220;rights&#8221; afforded to married couples is in place.  I&#8217;d encourage any polyamorous households to do the same.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re also out to daycare, teachers, and all sets of grandparents, primarily as a way to defuse any negative leverage points with our children.  It&#8217;s not always easy, but it is achievable.</p>
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		<title>By: Keori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 09:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Infophile, the reason there is no need to vest incestuous relationships with the legal recognition of civil marriage is because incestuous couples already have a legal tie of kinship. Civil marriage is a declaration of kinship between a conjugal couple (or reasonable facsimile) who are not already related. It creates a family where previously there was none. A brother-sister already have that right of kinship, so things like probate, hospital visitation, etc are already a given for them. In terms of household protections, what they would need is some type of legal access to joint tenancy in entirety to avoid paying prohibitive estate taxes, and access to things like insurance.

Hawaii has Reciprocal Beneficiaries, which were originally created to stop the screaming from the LGBT community when the mormon church bankrolled the first anti-gay marriage amendment. RBs are available to any two cohabitating people who can&#039;t get married for whatever reason. They give the right of joint tenancy in entirety, among other things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Infophile, the reason there is no need to vest incestuous relationships with the legal recognition of civil marriage is because incestuous couples already have a legal tie of kinship. Civil marriage is a declaration of kinship between a conjugal couple (or reasonable facsimile) who are not already related. It creates a family where previously there was none. A brother-sister already have that right of kinship, so things like probate, hospital visitation, etc are already a given for them. In terms of household protections, what they would need is some type of legal access to joint tenancy in entirety to avoid paying prohibitive estate taxes, and access to things like insurance.</p>
<p>Hawaii has Reciprocal Beneficiaries, which were originally created to stop the screaming from the LGBT community when the mormon church bankrolled the first anti-gay marriage amendment. RBs are available to any two cohabitating people who can&#8217;t get married for whatever reason. They give the right of joint tenancy in entirety, among other things.</p>
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