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	<title>Comments on: Illinois Family Institute: Keep Your Kids Away From the Kissing Gays!</title>
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	<description>by Hemant Mehta</description>
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		<title>By: Jerry Pritikin</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/08/13/gay-kissing-is-evil-says-conservative/#comment-350490</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry Pritikin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember what gay war hero Leonard Matlovich
has engraved on his tombstone...
&quot;The Military gave me a medal for killing two men and a discharge for loving one. It&#039;s the 21st Century, and in &quot;our&quot; lifetime... and Hate is worse than war, especially when it comes from our churches... Wake up America and the world, and stop and try some love... it&#039;s easier... and goes a long way!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember what gay war hero Leonard Matlovich<br />
has engraved on his tombstone&#8230;<br />
&#8220;The Military gave me a medal for killing two men and a discharge for loving one. It&#8217;s the 21st Century, and in &#8220;our&#8221; lifetime&#8230; and Hate is worse than war, especially when it comes from our churches&#8230; Wake up America and the world, and stop and try some love&#8230; it&#8217;s easier&#8230; and goes a long way!</p>
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		<title>By: nondescript</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/08/13/gay-kissing-is-evil-says-conservative/#comment-346517</link>
		<dc:creator>nondescript</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, I&#039;m confused.  I just read through the article and all the comments favoring the article.  They all gave opinions about the Higgin&#039;s opinion on whether such kissing should be allowed in public.  None of them said that she didn&#039;t have a right to hold that opinion, just that the opinion was a wrongly held opinion.

Personally, I would fight tooth and nail to allow someone the right to espouse an opinion that I would shout from the rooftops to oppose.  That&#039;s what free speech is.  The fact that we&#039;re opposed to her opinion and think she is harming society with her pious self-righteous attempts at dampening other&#039;s expression of happiness has nothing to do with her right to hold or express those opinions.

Of course, her letters to the school board are more than just an expression of free speech.  That was an attempt to keep Mehta from expressing his opinion.  She was obviously trying to affect his employment because she didn&#039;t like what he said in his blog.

So, I&#039;m opposed to her opinion about kissing and I&#039;m opposed to her attempts to censor free speech.  Though, I still support her right to hold and express those opinions, just not at the expense of others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, I&#8217;m confused.  I just read through the article and all the comments favoring the article.  They all gave opinions about the Higgin&#8217;s opinion on whether such kissing should be allowed in public.  None of them said that she didn&#8217;t have a right to hold that opinion, just that the opinion was a wrongly held opinion.</p>
<p>Personally, I would fight tooth and nail to allow someone the right to espouse an opinion that I would shout from the rooftops to oppose.  That&#8217;s what free speech is.  The fact that we&#8217;re opposed to her opinion and think she is harming society with her pious self-righteous attempts at dampening other&#8217;s expression of happiness has nothing to do with her right to hold or express those opinions.</p>
<p>Of course, her letters to the school board are more than just an expression of free speech.  That was an attempt to keep Mehta from expressing his opinion.  She was obviously trying to affect his employment because she didn&#8217;t like what he said in his blog.</p>
<p>So, I&#8217;m opposed to her opinion about kissing and I&#8217;m opposed to her attempts to censor free speech.  Though, I still support her right to hold and express those opinions, just not at the expense of others.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Murphy</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/08/13/gay-kissing-is-evil-says-conservative/#comment-345405</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am confused as to why some people believe that freedom of speech only exists for the people that share their opinions. The fact is (yes, fact) the majority of the people in this country still do not embrace homosexuality. That makes it a majority opinion. Yet to speak that opinion outloud is heresy. Of course, if you were to have taken a poll on how people feel about homosexuality at, say, the kiss-in at the bean, the poll would lead you to believe that 100% of people accept it as normal. 
You may now proceed with the bashing of my remarks as hate mongering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am confused as to why some people believe that freedom of speech only exists for the people that share their opinions. The fact is (yes, fact) the majority of the people in this country still do not embrace homosexuality. That makes it a majority opinion. Yet to speak that opinion outloud is heresy. Of course, if you were to have taken a poll on how people feel about homosexuality at, say, the kiss-in at the bean, the poll would lead you to believe that 100% of people accept it as normal.<br />
You may now proceed with the bashing of my remarks as hate mongering.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Turner</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/08/13/gay-kissing-is-evil-says-conservative/#comment-344851</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 03:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happens when the children of these religious believers turn out to be gay or lesbian?  What a painful moment that must be for a young man or woman born into a religious family.  

The suicide rate among gay and lesbian teens is about thirty percent higher than the national average.  Intolerant families and communities have a lot to do with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happens when the children of these religious believers turn out to be gay or lesbian?  What a painful moment that must be for a young man or woman born into a religious family.  </p>
<p>The suicide rate among gay and lesbian teens is about thirty percent higher than the national average.  Intolerant families and communities have a lot to do with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Carlson</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/08/13/gay-kissing-is-evil-says-conservative/#comment-344223</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Carlson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 06:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do these religious protesters realize that they are protesting an act of affection? They are against public expressions of love? They don&#039;t want children seeing people in love? Nothing illustrates the hypocrisy inherent in Christian beliefs better than their own actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do these religious protesters realize that they are protesting an act of affection? They are against public expressions of love? They don&#8217;t want children seeing people in love? Nothing illustrates the hypocrisy inherent in Christian beliefs better than their own actions.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/08/13/gay-kissing-is-evil-says-conservative/#comment-343905</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Mehta, I can just see you with a boyfriend walking through the park ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Mehta, I can just see you with a boyfriend walking through the park <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel G.</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/08/13/gay-kissing-is-evil-says-conservative/#comment-343674</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabriel G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 08:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn, if only I had a boyfriend and we lived in Chicago. (Or simply, if only I lived in Chicago and had some hot gay friends who don&#039;t mind kissing their friends.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, if only I had a boyfriend and we lived in Chicago. (Or simply, if only I lived in Chicago and had some hot gay friends who don&#8217;t mind kissing their friends.)</p>
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		<title>By: The Other Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/08/13/gay-kissing-is-evil-says-conservative/#comment-343644</link>
		<dc:creator>The Other Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 05:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>20 years ago, in Boston, I had a boyfriend who liked to take long walks with me on weekends. We&#039;d walk from one end of Boston to the other, going through the public gardens and the public common along the way. While walking, we often held hands.

Mothers with babies in strollers would stop, cover their baby&#039;s eyes so baby couldn&#039;t see us holding hands, and give us dirty looks. Little old ladies with blue hair would spit at us. Passing young men would call us &quot;perverts&quot; and &quot;faggots&quot;. 

It&#039;s easy to freak the mundanes in this country. They&#039;re so very, very mundane. 

Things are rather better in Boston now. Gay couples holding hands or kissing in public remain uncommon, but are no longer unheard of and go largely un-remarked-upon. But, go just an hour out of the city and life is very different. I was recently dating a guy from a medium sized town in New Hampshire, and when he visited me in Boston, he was afraid to hold hands or kiss me if he wasn&#039;t sure nobody was around and nobody was looking. I assured him we were quite safe, but he was simply too afraid. 

The country needs to see gay guys kissing. Children need to see it. Everyone needs to confront the sight and learn to be able to say &quot;yeah, whatever.&quot; Otherwise, we gay guys will always be second class citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>20 years ago, in Boston, I had a boyfriend who liked to take long walks with me on weekends. We&#8217;d walk from one end of Boston to the other, going through the public gardens and the public common along the way. While walking, we often held hands.</p>
<p>Mothers with babies in strollers would stop, cover their baby&#8217;s eyes so baby couldn&#8217;t see us holding hands, and give us dirty looks. Little old ladies with blue hair would spit at us. Passing young men would call us &#8220;perverts&#8221; and &#8220;faggots&#8221;. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to freak the mundanes in this country. They&#8217;re so very, very mundane. </p>
<p>Things are rather better in Boston now. Gay couples holding hands or kissing in public remain uncommon, but are no longer unheard of and go largely un-remarked-upon. But, go just an hour out of the city and life is very different. I was recently dating a guy from a medium sized town in New Hampshire, and when he visited me in Boston, he was afraid to hold hands or kiss me if he wasn&#8217;t sure nobody was around and nobody was looking. I assured him we were quite safe, but he was simply too afraid. </p>
<p>The country needs to see gay guys kissing. Children need to see it. Everyone needs to confront the sight and learn to be able to say &#8220;yeah, whatever.&#8221; Otherwise, we gay guys will always be second class citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan W</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/08/13/gay-kissing-is-evil-says-conservative/#comment-343640</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 04:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh noes, people kissing in public! Even worse, teh ghey kissing!! ZOMG!!! *gasp*
/end sarcasm

In all seriousness, I don&#039;t understand this rather Puritan attitude many people have towards public displays of affection. It&#039;s not like there&#039;s anything wrong with it. Of course, if I see a couple kissing in public/full-blown making out every few minutes, I may be inclined to think &quot;Get a room&quot;, but that&#039;s for when people go overboard with it, not for a simple kiss in public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh noes, people kissing in public! Even worse, teh ghey kissing!! ZOMG!!! *gasp*<br />
/end sarcasm</p>
<p>In all seriousness, I don&#8217;t understand this rather Puritan attitude many people have towards public displays of affection. It&#8217;s not like there&#8217;s anything wrong with it. Of course, if I see a couple kissing in public/full-blown making out every few minutes, I may be inclined to think &#8220;Get a room&#8221;, but that&#8217;s for when people go overboard with it, not for a simple kiss in public.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 00:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;As a member of one of those “multi-partner unions” I have to wonder… given the previously mentioned difficulty inherent in kissing more than one individual at a time, how can the IFI be sure they’re properly identifying all instances of obscene kissing?

If I kiss my husband in public and my boyfriend isn’t there, is that still obscene? How about if I kiss my husband, and his girlfriend is within sight, but she brought her own date?

Considering we’re all (currently) in heterosexual configurations, how would they know we were “perverts” without stalking us? Will their children still be damaged by our kissing if we’re never positively identified as polyamorous?*ponders*&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is one of the more awesome comments I&#039;ve seen in this blog.  What a huge gaping hole you have just placed in that argument.  Bravo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>As a member of one of those “multi-partner unions” I have to wonder… given the previously mentioned difficulty inherent in kissing more than one individual at a time, how can the IFI be sure they’re properly identifying all instances of obscene kissing?</p>
<p>If I kiss my husband in public and my boyfriend isn’t there, is that still obscene? How about if I kiss my husband, and his girlfriend is within sight, but she brought her own date?</p>
<p>Considering we’re all (currently) in heterosexual configurations, how would they know we were “perverts” without stalking us? Will their children still be damaged by our kissing if we’re never positively identified as polyamorous?*ponders*</p></blockquote>
<p>This is one of the more awesome comments I&#8217;ve seen in this blog.  What a huge gaping hole you have just placed in that argument.  Bravo!</p>
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