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	<title>Comments on: Pro-Life Church Says They&#8217;ll Take Care of Any Babies You Give Them</title>
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		<title>By: Nikki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nikki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have always held the stance of being pro-choice without being pro-abortion. However, a book and a blog that I read recently changed my mind. Now I&#039;m both pro-choice AND pro-abortion. I would LOVE to see the number if abortions drastically reduced through education and birth control. I can understand why women who cannot bear the thought of having an abortion, would choose to give up their child for adoption. However, I also realize that the vast majority of women will have MUCH greater difficulty in dealing with giving up a child for adoption, than having an abortion.

The book is _The Girls Who Went Away_, and the blog is http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2009/03/breaking-silence-on-living-pro-lifers.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have always held the stance of being pro-choice without being pro-abortion. However, a book and a blog that I read recently changed my mind. Now I&#8217;m both pro-choice AND pro-abortion. I would LOVE to see the number if abortions drastically reduced through education and birth control. I can understand why women who cannot bear the thought of having an abortion, would choose to give up their child for adoption. However, I also realize that the vast majority of women will have MUCH greater difficulty in dealing with giving up a child for adoption, than having an abortion.</p>
<p>The book is _The Girls Who Went Away_, and the blog is <a href="http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2009/03/breaking-silence-on-living-pro-lifers.html" rel="nofollow">http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2009/03/breaking-silence-on-living-pro-lifers.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Abortion Support</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abortion Support</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s give the guy some credit, it is putting your money where your mouth is or walking the walk or whatever metaphor you want to use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s give the guy some credit, it is putting your money where your mouth is or walking the walk or whatever metaphor you want to use.</p>
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		<title>By: Aj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 01:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon,

You haven&#039;t pointed out any inconsistency, lack of logic, or stupidity. You&#039;re an ignorant fool, you&#039;re the one who makes pro-choicers look incredibly stupid. Who doesn&#039;t acknowledge that a fetus is alive? Life is being destroyed around you constantly with no one considering it, why would anyone need to consider all life being destroyed? Why would anyone be unwilling to admit that they care more about convenience than a life that happens to carry a human genome but not much else? Many fetuses die without anyone knowing they&#039;re pregnant but no one takes a test and holds a funeral for each of them. If you&#039;re going to throw around words like &quot;life&quot; and &quot;human&quot; define them and explain why anyone should care about them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon,</p>
<p>You haven&#8217;t pointed out any inconsistency, lack of logic, or stupidity. You&#8217;re an ignorant fool, you&#8217;re the one who makes pro-choicers look incredibly stupid. Who doesn&#8217;t acknowledge that a fetus is alive? Life is being destroyed around you constantly with no one considering it, why would anyone need to consider all life being destroyed? Why would anyone be unwilling to admit that they care more about convenience than a life that happens to carry a human genome but not much else? Many fetuses die without anyone knowing they&#8217;re pregnant but no one takes a test and holds a funeral for each of them. If you&#8217;re going to throw around words like &#8220;life&#8221; and &#8220;human&#8221; define them and explain why anyone should care about them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 00:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Are these all of your reasons, Hemant? Are there more? Sometimes when I hear people – especially politicians – talking about decreasing abortion frequency, I get the feeling that part of the reason (perhaps feigned) is some sort of consideration for the life being destroyed. But I personally don’t get why a rational informed pro-choicer would care about this. We have no reason at all to believe the fetus will experience any kind of suffering beyond what an insect might feel upon being stepped on the millisecond before it’s life ends.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

@RonBrown - That was a extroadinarily inconsistent comment.  If you believe that a fetus MAY experience suffering similar to an insect being killed, and you acknowledge that insects are alive, then you have to acknowledge that a fetus is alive.  And if a fetus is at one point alive, even if only briefly, why wouldn&#039;t Hemant or any politician feel consideration for a life being destroyed?

If you are going to be pro-choice, fine - but at least attempt to use some sense of logic so you don&#039;t make pro-choicers look incredibly stupid or admit that you are only pro-choice because you care more about your own convenience than the life of another human.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Are these all of your reasons, Hemant? Are there more? Sometimes when I hear people – especially politicians – talking about decreasing abortion frequency, I get the feeling that part of the reason (perhaps feigned) is some sort of consideration for the life being destroyed. But I personally don’t get why a rational informed pro-choicer would care about this. We have no reason at all to believe the fetus will experience any kind of suffering beyond what an insect might feel upon being stepped on the millisecond before it’s life ends.</p></blockquote>
<p>@RonBrown &#8211; That was a extroadinarily inconsistent comment.  If you believe that a fetus MAY experience suffering similar to an insect being killed, and you acknowledge that insects are alive, then you have to acknowledge that a fetus is alive.  And if a fetus is at one point alive, even if only briefly, why wouldn&#8217;t Hemant or any politician feel consideration for a life being destroyed?</p>
<p>If you are going to be pro-choice, fine &#8211; but at least attempt to use some sense of logic so you don&#8217;t make pro-choicers look incredibly stupid or admit that you are only pro-choice because you care more about your own convenience than the life of another human.</p>
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		<title>By: Random Thoughts and Musings &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Optimism in Politics and Personal Choice (#237/365)</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/08/19/pro-life-church-says-theyll-take-care-of-any-babies-you-give-them/#comment-349567</link>
		<dc:creator>Random Thoughts and Musings &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Optimism in Politics and Personal Choice (#237/365)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 08:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ran across this blog post, and found myself strangely hopeful. I, too, am pro-choice without being pro-abortion. I believe in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ran across this blog post, and found myself strangely hopeful. I, too, am pro-choice without being pro-abortion. I believe in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who said the members and leaders of this church are going to be doing these adoptions instead of protesting clinics or generally causing problems for people that are exercising their right to medical care? The article makes no mention of this and there are plenty of hours in the day to do both. What&#039;s more churches have been pushing adoption for some decades, sometimes even against the wishes of mothers who want to keep their babies. This seems more like propaganda than a genuine gesture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who said the members and leaders of this church are going to be doing these adoptions instead of protesting clinics or generally causing problems for people that are exercising their right to medical care? The article makes no mention of this and there are plenty of hours in the day to do both. What&#8217;s more churches have been pushing adoption for some decades, sometimes even against the wishes of mothers who want to keep their babies. This seems more like propaganda than a genuine gesture.</p>
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		<title>By: Heidi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heidi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you to the three ladies who recommended The Girls Who Went Away. It looks interesting, and I am likely to buy a copy.

Like Amy, I am an adoptee. Every adoptee I know, including myself, has emotional issues because of it. I was born in the late 60s (i.e. before Roe v. Wade). I am told that my bio mother was 15 when I was born. And I often wonder what horrors she might have endured because she had no choice. I&#039;m happy to be here, but I have this nagging feeling in the back of my mind that I am here at someone else&#039;s expense.

There is no easy solution to any of this. And giving children to a church group for indoctrination is a frightening prospect to me. 

That said, yes, it&#039;s better than bombing clinics and murdering doctors. Maybe it will be of help to women who already share this group&#039;s beliefs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you to the three ladies who recommended The Girls Who Went Away. It looks interesting, and I am likely to buy a copy.</p>
<p>Like Amy, I am an adoptee. Every adoptee I know, including myself, has emotional issues because of it. I was born in the late 60s (i.e. before Roe v. Wade). I am told that my bio mother was 15 when I was born. And I often wonder what horrors she might have endured because she had no choice. I&#8217;m happy to be here, but I have this nagging feeling in the back of my mind that I am here at someone else&#8217;s expense.</p>
<p>There is no easy solution to any of this. And giving children to a church group for indoctrination is a frightening prospect to me. </p>
<p>That said, yes, it&#8217;s better than bombing clinics and murdering doctors. Maybe it will be of help to women who already share this group&#8217;s beliefs.</p>
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		<title>By: Lab Kat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lab Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree stating you are pro-choice yet taking a &quot;look down the nose&quot; attitude toward having an abortion is off-putting and would appear hypocritical. However, I would imagine there are women who, honestly deep in their hearts, cannot think of ever having one. None of the women I know personally who have had an abortion WANTED one or ever imagined having to have one. It is a medical procedure of last resort in most cases. 

I just believe making blanket statements about people&#039;s intentions or personal thoughts doesn&#039;t help anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree stating you are pro-choice yet taking a &#8220;look down the nose&#8221; attitude toward having an abortion is off-putting and would appear hypocritical. However, I would imagine there are women who, honestly deep in their hearts, cannot think of ever having one. None of the women I know personally who have had an abortion WANTED one or ever imagined having to have one. It is a medical procedure of last resort in most cases. </p>
<p>I just believe making blanket statements about people&#8217;s intentions or personal thoughts doesn&#8217;t help anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carlie has my point exactly. Too often I hear women saying they could never, ever, ever have an abortion, and they way they say it adds a (because everyone knows only slutty women have them) and I do get might tired of that &quot;support&quot;.  I am pro-choice- full sentence- you needn&#039;t know anything beyond that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carlie has my point exactly. Too often I hear women saying they could never, ever, ever have an abortion, and they way they say it adds a (because everyone knows only slutty women have them) and I do get might tired of that &#8220;support&#8221;.  I am pro-choice- full sentence- you needn&#8217;t know anything beyond that.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah TX.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah TX.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’m pro-choice myself. And I can see a number of very practical reasons for why it would be good for abortion frequency to be lowered, particularly via increased sexual responsibility (e.g., using protection).&lt;/i&gt;

One thing I&#039;ve realized recently is that, even if we make contraceptives free and widely distributed, along with thorough education programs about their use, aborting pregnancies will still be a necessary medical procedure. I am pro-choice but I no longer follow the Democratic plank of &quot;safe, legal, and rare&quot;. I&#039;ll stick with &quot;safe and legal&quot; and leave the value judgment for individual morality.

(I&#039;m imagining the Surgeon General advocating that coronary bypass surgeries should be &quot;more rare&quot;, instead of advocating that we lower the incidents of heart disease)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’m pro-choice myself. And I can see a number of very practical reasons for why it would be good for abortion frequency to be lowered, particularly via increased sexual responsibility (e.g., using protection).</i></p>
<p>One thing I&#8217;ve realized recently is that, even if we make contraceptives free and widely distributed, along with thorough education programs about their use, aborting pregnancies will still be a necessary medical procedure. I am pro-choice but I no longer follow the Democratic plank of &#8220;safe, legal, and rare&#8221;. I&#8217;ll stick with &#8220;safe and legal&#8221; and leave the value judgment for individual morality.</p>
<p>(I&#8217;m imagining the Surgeon General advocating that coronary bypass surgeries should be &#8220;more rare&#8221;, instead of advocating that we lower the incidents of heart disease)</p>
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