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	<title>Comments on: Laurie Higgins of the Illinois Family Institute Issues an Open Letter to Me</title>
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	<description>by Hemant Mehta</description>
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		<title>By: Let&#8217;s Go To Fag-Hating Camp! &#171; The Ground Zone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Let&#8217;s Go To Fag-Hating Camp! &#171; The Ground Zone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Laurie Higgins! She&#8217;s also one of Hemant Mehta&#8217;s (of Friendly Atheist fame) correspondents*. Did I mention that she&#8217;s a shrill [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Laurie Higgins! She&#8217;s also one of Hemant Mehta&#8217;s (of Friendly Atheist fame) correspondents*. Did I mention that she&#8217;s a shrill [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JR</title>
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		<dc:creator>JR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 02:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She&#039;s totally a mean biatch!  She ruins any chance of getting to heaven by being mean, which is one of the 14 deadly vanities!!

She can&#039;t fool me, I went to vacation bible school once, and learned all about the deadly vanities.  You can&#039;t get a harp and join the heavenly chorus if you&#039;re a mean biatch, everybody knows that.

I don&#039;t think she&#039;s a chriastian at all, she probably never read the book of thomas OR the book of baruch by justin.  So I&#039;m not too surprised she&#039;s given any hope of holy ends by turning so mean.  :-(
 
(That&#039;s her self-portrait on the last line.)  

Some people think they cal call themselves a christian and that&#039;s all it takes to get to the pearley gates with a password, but, not!

I&#039;ve know some genuine christians, and they are, without exception, nice.  Really really nice, to everyone, even the witches, er biatches.  Our host has been pretty nice, considering, and he claims not to be a christian.  But I think I know which midnight train he&#039;ll be on.  It won&#039;t be the train Ms Higgens is on, now will it?  Nope!

Best of luck, fellow athiest!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She&#8217;s totally a mean biatch!  She ruins any chance of getting to heaven by being mean, which is one of the 14 deadly vanities!!</p>
<p>She can&#8217;t fool me, I went to vacation bible school once, and learned all about the deadly vanities.  You can&#8217;t get a harp and join the heavenly chorus if you&#8217;re a mean biatch, everybody knows that.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think she&#8217;s a chriastian at all, she probably never read the book of thomas OR the book of baruch by justin.  So I&#8217;m not too surprised she&#8217;s given any hope of holy ends by turning so mean.  <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>(That&#8217;s her self-portrait on the last line.)  </p>
<p>Some people think they cal call themselves a christian and that&#8217;s all it takes to get to the pearley gates with a password, but, not!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve know some genuine christians, and they are, without exception, nice.  Really really nice, to everyone, even the witches, er biatches.  Our host has been pretty nice, considering, and he claims not to be a christian.  But I think I know which midnight train he&#8217;ll be on.  It won&#8217;t be the train Ms Higgens is on, now will it?  Nope!</p>
<p>Best of luck, fellow athiest!</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I read this, all I could think was:  Can I ask my school not to have a conservative teach my child?  Or maybe I should ask them not to have a skinny blond that looks like an anorexic teach them.  I guess my child is &quot;unduly&quot; influenced by the man who teaches bible school on Sundays and since I&#039;m an atheist I should make sure he shouldn&#039;t be teaching my child.

This woman should be embarrassed by her behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I read this, all I could think was:  Can I ask my school not to have a conservative teach my child?  Or maybe I should ask them not to have a skinny blond that looks like an anorexic teach them.  I guess my child is &#8220;unduly&#8221; influenced by the man who teaches bible school on Sundays and since I&#8217;m an atheist I should make sure he shouldn&#8217;t be teaching my child.</p>
<p>This woman should be embarrassed by her behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: Mac McCarthy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mac McCarthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep up the good work, M.

It is true that being publically atheist can be scary business; discretion is much easier. SO I&#039;m always amazed and titillated when people like you and Sam Harris come out and say what I&#039;m thinking (though you are more eloquent and thoughtful than I). I appreciate it.

I sent my daughters to Catholic school to protect them from the public schools, but I told them, &quot;Don&#039;t tease the Catholics&quot; (who are pretty tolerant, for Christians) and to be discreet.

Funny thing: In Freshman (HS) religion class one day, the teacher asked how many kids in the class were Christian; nobody raised their hand. (He then asked how many were Muslim--one hand raised--and atheist--my kids raised their hands, somewhat nervously.)

So he looked at the rest of them and said, &quot;How many are Catholic?&quot; and all the rest raised their hands.

There was a long pause. The teacher said, &quot;What do Catholics believe in?&quot; Answer: Jesus Christ. And what do you call someone who believes in Jesus Christ? Looong pause as the dawn comes.

The Christian right has so demeaned and debased the public image of their religion that the average kid in high school doesn&#039;t want to be associated with the term -- even Catholic kids! To them, &quot;Christian&quot; means &quot;mean right-wing religious bullies,&quot; and that&#039;s not them.

Interesting world, isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep up the good work, M.</p>
<p>It is true that being publically atheist can be scary business; discretion is much easier. SO I&#8217;m always amazed and titillated when people like you and Sam Harris come out and say what I&#8217;m thinking (though you are more eloquent and thoughtful than I). I appreciate it.</p>
<p>I sent my daughters to Catholic school to protect them from the public schools, but I told them, &#8220;Don&#8217;t tease the Catholics&#8221; (who are pretty tolerant, for Christians) and to be discreet.</p>
<p>Funny thing: In Freshman (HS) religion class one day, the teacher asked how many kids in the class were Christian; nobody raised their hand. (He then asked how many were Muslim&#8211;one hand raised&#8211;and atheist&#8211;my kids raised their hands, somewhat nervously.)</p>
<p>So he looked at the rest of them and said, &#8220;How many are Catholic?&#8221; and all the rest raised their hands.</p>
<p>There was a long pause. The teacher said, &#8220;What do Catholics believe in?&#8221; Answer: Jesus Christ. And what do you call someone who believes in Jesus Christ? Looong pause as the dawn comes.</p>
<p>The Christian right has so demeaned and debased the public image of their religion that the average kid in high school doesn&#8217;t want to be associated with the term &#8212; even Catholic kids! To them, &#8220;Christian&#8221; means &#8220;mean right-wing religious bullies,&#8221; and that&#8217;s not them.</p>
<p>Interesting world, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Angie Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angie Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Those parents are entitled to sufficient information to make informed choices about the very public activities of their children’s teachers–something that for some odd reason seems to offend you. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, parents *aren&#039;t* entitled to make choices - informed or otherwise - about the public activities of their kid&#039;s teachers.  That&#039;d be preposterous.  I&#039;m a mother.  I have NO idea what my religion my son&#039;s teacher subscribes to, if any.  She may know my views, but it doesn&#039;t effect how she treats me or my kid.

You&#039;re doing a fantastic job dealing with this nonsense.  Keep up the good fight with head held high.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Those parents are entitled to sufficient information to make informed choices about the very public activities of their children’s teachers–something that for some odd reason seems to offend you. </p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, parents *aren&#8217;t* entitled to make choices &#8211; informed or otherwise &#8211; about the public activities of their kid&#8217;s teachers.  That&#8217;d be preposterous.  I&#8217;m a mother.  I have NO idea what my religion my son&#8217;s teacher subscribes to, if any.  She may know my views, but it doesn&#8217;t effect how she treats me or my kid.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re doing a fantastic job dealing with this nonsense.  Keep up the good fight with head held high.</p>
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		<title>By: «bønez_brigade»</title>
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		<dc:creator>«bønez_brigade»</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 01:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Twas a great response to IFI&#039;s bigotry &amp; hypocrisy, Hemant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Twas a great response to IFI&#8217;s bigotry &amp; hypocrisy, Hemant.</p>
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		<title>By: Danielle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danielle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It blows my mind how the option of letting the children (who, when in high school, are old enough to think for themselves) make up their own minds is totally out of the question.  Apparently, if you&#039;re under 18 years old you must believe exactly what your parents believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It blows my mind how the option of letting the children (who, when in high school, are old enough to think for themselves) make up their own minds is totally out of the question.  Apparently, if you&#8217;re under 18 years old you must believe exactly what your parents believe.</p>
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		<title>By: martymankins</title>
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		<dc:creator>martymankins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems Ms. Higgins is hell bent to support her cause, and it appears at any and all costs.

She&#039;s a tricky one, as I&#039;m sure someone has already commented on.

Her wording and verbiage are of such that she&#039;s very careful to not state specifically that she&#039;s calling for you to be fired from your job.

But, her intentions are to guide people that look to the family values supported by the IFI, as narrowly diverse reasons to avoid anything and anyone that doesn&#039;t exactly share the IFI values.

This woman is not about giving advice to others.  She is all about a movement to remove anything that doesn&#039;t fit her&#039;s and the IFI&#039;s definition of what&#039;s acceptable for a family value.  She&#039;s just riding the legal line enough to not spell in out in plain and simple words.

This is not some sort of back and forth pissing match.  It&#039;s a single person who has an issue that someone like Hemant is able to exercise his free speech rights and there is nothing legal she can do about it (but she&#039;s doing her best to dig and find a reason, based on her letters and public emails)

FWIW, atheists should be the least of her concerns for a family values organization.

What I find most hypocritical from Ms. Higgins is how she&#039;s free to make various statements about Hemant, but when Hemant counters those with his own statements, this is not acceptable to her.  This is typical of the &quot;I&#039;m right and you are not&quot; debate that is common in the world of religious belief.

Hemant, I understand wanting to defend yourself and your character and you&#039;ve done that very well so far.  But defending yourself to a narrow-minded individual falls on deaf ears.  This is press for Laurie and the IFI.  And until she&#039;s willing to post an email to your readers banning your book, then I say stop giving her more press here.  Then she can find another target on the web to satisfy her &quot;focus on negative, nothing positive&quot; way of promoting family values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems Ms. Higgins is hell bent to support her cause, and it appears at any and all costs.</p>
<p>She&#8217;s a tricky one, as I&#8217;m sure someone has already commented on.</p>
<p>Her wording and verbiage are of such that she&#8217;s very careful to not state specifically that she&#8217;s calling for you to be fired from your job.</p>
<p>But, her intentions are to guide people that look to the family values supported by the IFI, as narrowly diverse reasons to avoid anything and anyone that doesn&#8217;t exactly share the IFI values.</p>
<p>This woman is not about giving advice to others.  She is all about a movement to remove anything that doesn&#8217;t fit her&#8217;s and the IFI&#8217;s definition of what&#8217;s acceptable for a family value.  She&#8217;s just riding the legal line enough to not spell in out in plain and simple words.</p>
<p>This is not some sort of back and forth pissing match.  It&#8217;s a single person who has an issue that someone like Hemant is able to exercise his free speech rights and there is nothing legal she can do about it (but she&#8217;s doing her best to dig and find a reason, based on her letters and public emails)</p>
<p>FWIW, atheists should be the least of her concerns for a family values organization.</p>
<p>What I find most hypocritical from Ms. Higgins is how she&#8217;s free to make various statements about Hemant, but when Hemant counters those with his own statements, this is not acceptable to her.  This is typical of the &#8220;I&#8217;m right and you are not&#8221; debate that is common in the world of religious belief.</p>
<p>Hemant, I understand wanting to defend yourself and your character and you&#8217;ve done that very well so far.  But defending yourself to a narrow-minded individual falls on deaf ears.  This is press for Laurie and the IFI.  And until she&#8217;s willing to post an email to your readers banning your book, then I say stop giving her more press here.  Then she can find another target on the web to satisfy her &#8220;focus on negative, nothing positive&#8221; way of promoting family values.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice job, Hemant.  If I had kids I&#039;d want them in your class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice job, Hemant.  If I had kids I&#8217;d want them in your class.</p>
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		<title>By: NoGurus</title>
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		<dc:creator>NoGurus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 03:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went to Deerfield High School and remember many creepy teachers with a ruler up their a....  Glad they got rid of this one.  A writing instructor with a Christian agenda doesn&#039;t work in this high school, which has a large Jewish minority and sends a lot of bright, intelligent students off to college.  I cannot remember any fundamentalist Christian type groups in this high school, and this woman was clearly out of her element.  Good for Deerfield to complain about her anti-homosexual views, and good riddance to her.  I am sure the students could not be happier to get rid of one more screwed up, vindictive, religiously bigoted high school instructor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to Deerfield High School and remember many creepy teachers with a ruler up their a&#8230;.  Glad they got rid of this one.  A writing instructor with a Christian agenda doesn&#8217;t work in this high school, which has a large Jewish minority and sends a lot of bright, intelligent students off to college.  I cannot remember any fundamentalist Christian type groups in this high school, and this woman was clearly out of her element.  Good for Deerfield to complain about her anti-homosexual views, and good riddance to her.  I am sure the students could not be happier to get rid of one more screwed up, vindictive, religiously bigoted high school instructor.</p>
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