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	<title>Comments on: A Creationist Zoo in the UK</title>
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	<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/08/31/a-creationist-zoo-in-the-uk/</link>
	<description>by Hemant Mehta</description>
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		<title>By: The Will to Power</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/08/31/a-creationist-zoo-in-the-uk/#comment-355549</link>
		<dc:creator>The Will to Power</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s sick that the words &quot;proof&quot; can even be attached to the stories that are found in the Bible.  These are the same idiots that want to question global warming and evolution.  It is a very unjust world that we live in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s sick that the words &#8220;proof&#8221; can even be attached to the stories that are found in the Bible.  These are the same idiots that want to question global warming and evolution.  It is a very unjust world that we live in.</p>
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		<title>By: Siamang</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/08/31/a-creationist-zoo-in-the-uk/#comment-355376</link>
		<dc:creator>Siamang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 00:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also that information about the fusion of 2a and 2b is available in youtube form.

Part of a great talk by Ken Miller.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi8FfMBYCkk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also that information about the fusion of 2a and 2b is available in youtube form.</p>
<p>Part of a great talk by Ken Miller.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi8FfMBYCkk" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi8FfMBYCkk</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ted Powell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;apes’ possession of 24 pairs of chromosomes to humans’ 23, “prove” that there is no relationship between the species.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;See chapter 1, &lt;em&gt;Fusion&lt;/em&gt;, of &lt;em&gt;Relics of Eden : The Powerful Evidence of Evolution in Human DNA&lt;/em&gt;, by Daniel J. Fairbanks, Prometheus Books 2007, ISBN 978-1-59102-564-1. As described here, the explanation for this has been in the scientific literature (he gives citations) since the early 1990s. Briefly, humans&#039; chromosome 2 is a fusion of great apes&#039; chromosomes 2A and 2B. The fusion site is still visible in our chromosome 2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><em>apes’ possession of 24 pairs of chromosomes to humans’ 23, “prove” that there is no relationship between the species.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>See chapter 1, <em>Fusion</em>, of <em>Relics of Eden : The Powerful Evidence of Evolution in Human DNA</em>, by Daniel J. Fairbanks, Prometheus Books 2007, ISBN 978-1-59102-564-1. As described here, the explanation for this has been in the scientific literature (he gives citations) since the early 1990s. Briefly, humans&#8217; chromosome 2 is a fusion of great apes&#8217; chromosomes 2A and 2B. The fusion site is still visible in our chromosome 2.</p>
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		<title>By: Darwin's Dagger</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/08/31/a-creationist-zoo-in-the-uk/#comment-355147</link>
		<dc:creator>Darwin's Dagger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Richard P&#039;s comment suggests how the Ark could&#039;ve overcome the limitations pointed out by Siamang. The Ark was a TARDIS. Bigger on the inside. Enough room for a couple of planets worth of life.

Noah was a Timelord.
Daleks caused the flood. EXTERMINATE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Richard P&#8217;s comment suggests how the Ark could&#8217;ve overcome the limitations pointed out by Siamang. The Ark was a TARDIS. Bigger on the inside. Enough room for a couple of planets worth of life.</p>
<p>Noah was a Timelord.<br />
Daleks caused the flood. EXTERMINATE!</p>
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		<title>By: tnprimate</title>
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		<dc:creator>tnprimate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not sure if anyone else noticed the racism there? in the NH piece, there are pics at the bottom...the fourth from the last is particularly interesting. see here for why: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham
since we know much about human history, and know that this story is crap yet they&#039;re still promoting it, i would like to hear their reply to this. 

and i found some of my email exchange with anthony bush a few years ago: here are some gems
&lt;blockquote&gt;If you were to come here you would see that we are probably a better interpreter of biological science than almost any other zoo.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;I told BIAZA some time ago that they were going to receive an email along the lines that you sent. It would be interesting to know what drives you, though. It cannot be over the science of what is here now; I expect we agree with you over that; it must be something about origins long ago. The approach you take seems rather more appropriate to the Taliban or to old USSR’s thought police. Ironically in a country built on Christian tolerance you are free to be repressive over anything Christian. You might not try the same in Saudi Arabia.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not sure if anyone else noticed the racism there? in the NH piece, there are pics at the bottom&#8230;the fourth from the last is particularly interesting. see here for why:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham</a><br />
since we know much about human history, and know that this story is crap yet they&#8217;re still promoting it, i would like to hear their reply to this. </p>
<p>and i found some of my email exchange with anthony bush a few years ago: here are some gems</p>
<blockquote><p>If you were to come here you would see that we are probably a better interpreter of biological science than almost any other zoo.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>I told BIAZA some time ago that they were going to receive an email along the lines that you sent. It would be interesting to know what drives you, though. It cannot be over the science of what is here now; I expect we agree with you over that; it must be something about origins long ago. The approach you take seems rather more appropriate to the Taliban or to old USSR’s thought police. Ironically in a country built on Christian tolerance you are free to be repressive over anything Christian. You might not try the same in Saudi Arabia.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: tnprimate</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/08/31/a-creationist-zoo-in-the-uk/#comment-355090</link>
		<dc:creator>tnprimate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/27/humanists-creationism-noahs-ark-zoo
here&#039;s a good story about it. 

a few years back when i was doing my masters in england i had an email exchange with anthony bush...in it he referred to me as militant, totalitarian...i think there might have been a stalinist reference as well. 
that was after i contacted the head of BIAZA (the british zoo/aquarium association) because their regulations say to be a member a zoo must provide good education. and, since all of this crap on their website is obvious nonsense, i asked why they are a member (turns out they&#039;re a provisional member). she said that he is a nice guy and they take care of their animals (and she confirmed to me that she was an atheist, but wouldn&#039;t discriminate...which was not what i was asking her to do). perhaps more people need to continue calling them on this nonsense. if they want accreditation then they should provide good education resources. 
i&#039;m surprised to see these pictures because they all assured me that the only anti-evolution crap was online...not actually in the zoo. and since schools go on visits there it&#039;s quite scary what nonsense these kids are learning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/27/humanists-creationism-noahs-ark-zoo" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/27/humanists-creationism-noahs-ark-zoo</a><br />
here&#8217;s a good story about it. </p>
<p>a few years back when i was doing my masters in england i had an email exchange with anthony bush&#8230;in it he referred to me as militant, totalitarian&#8230;i think there might have been a stalinist reference as well.<br />
that was after i contacted the head of BIAZA (the british zoo/aquarium association) because their regulations say to be a member a zoo must provide good education. and, since all of this crap on their website is obvious nonsense, i asked why they are a member (turns out they&#8217;re a provisional member). she said that he is a nice guy and they take care of their animals (and she confirmed to me that she was an atheist, but wouldn&#8217;t discriminate&#8230;which was not what i was asking her to do). perhaps more people need to continue calling them on this nonsense. if they want accreditation then they should provide good education resources.<br />
i&#8217;m surprised to see these pictures because they all assured me that the only anti-evolution crap was online&#8230;not actually in the zoo. and since schools go on visits there it&#8217;s quite scary what nonsense these kids are learning.</p>
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		<title>By: mikespeir</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/08/31/a-creationist-zoo-in-the-uk/#comment-355070</link>
		<dc:creator>mikespeir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d hate to have been one of those veggie people, what with all the vegetarian dinosaurs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d hate to have been one of those veggie people, what with all the vegetarian dinosaurs.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Ridley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian Ridley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m definitely up for a PZ trip! It&#039;s right near where I go to uni, might have to arrange a visit :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m definitely up for a PZ trip! It&#8217;s right near where I go to uni, might have to arrange a visit <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Cripian Jgao</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cripian Jgao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a blog I wrote about this place a few months back:


http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2009/03/noahs-ark-zoo-farm.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a blog I wrote about this place a few months back:</p>
<p><a href="http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2009/03/noahs-ark-zoo-farm.html" rel="nofollow">http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2009/03/noahs-ark-zoo-farm.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Siamang</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/08/31/a-creationist-zoo-in-the-uk/#comment-354988</link>
		<dc:creator>Siamang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait a minute.

The Ark was 46 FEET tall?

Those dimensions! 

It was a small bit more than one football field  long.
It was 45 feet tall.  At best three decks.
It was 75 feet wide!  Less than half the width of a football field.



So:  Football field area 57,600 square feet.

Noah&#039;s Ark, 101,250 square feet, not counting ANY structural space.

So, imagine fitting the entire animal kingdom, and their food, for a year, on the surface of less than two football fields.

I see a great experiment for that farm to try!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait a minute.</p>
<p>The Ark was 46 FEET tall?</p>
<p>Those dimensions! </p>
<p>It was a small bit more than one football field  long.<br />
It was 45 feet tall.  At best three decks.<br />
It was 75 feet wide!  Less than half the width of a football field.</p>
<p>So:  Football field area 57,600 square feet.</p>
<p>Noah&#8217;s Ark, 101,250 square feet, not counting ANY structural space.</p>
<p>So, imagine fitting the entire animal kingdom, and their food, for a year, on the surface of less than two football fields.</p>
<p>I see a great experiment for that farm to try!</p>
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